GOODBYE

[dodgydaved]

One of the wonderful things about the UK is that we are free to speak our minds.

 

There is a minimum of censorship.

 

The URL I posted was to an ITV site, non other.

 

I have read much of a problem in the past. My family has been critisised for their inadvertant posting on this topic.

 

This was meant to be a desire to get the sport better known.

 

I am not sory for bringing to the notice of the forum, but I am sorry about the narrow minded response it has got.

 

I shall continue to seek your caches and also, when time permits to lay new ones of my own, however, as far as this forum is concerned it is.....

 

Sayonara,

 

Auf weidershen,

 

Roger and Out

 

Goodbye.

 

dodgydaved

 

I'm NOT lost, I know exactly where I am, I'm here!

[+jeremyp]

I'm sorry to read your post dodgydavid and I have to say I do sympathize. I thought the moderation was overzealous especially as the tone of your post was critical about the content of the link you posted. Perhaps the moderators can explain how many levels of links are acceptable before you get to... well, we all know.

 

I've posted my views wrt Huga's response elsewhere.

 

-------

jeremyp

The second ten million caches were the worst too.

http://www.jeremyp.net/geocaching

[Moss Trooper]

OK OK OK..

 

I'm a man of few words but....

 

So some one put a post up with a link to.. "We all know who"

 

Don't you think it is a case of him letting us know so we could all email the site in question an let them know the facts as we see them..

 

All you have managed to do is alianate a true cacher.. shame on you..

 

Moss de Boss... Sorta

[+SimonG]

I also sympathize. The amount of censorship around here is silly. I wasn't around when the business in question played out, but I think I've gathered the whole story from the forum archives, and I don't think there was any reason to lock Dodgydaved's thread. And this just a couple of weeks after VentureForth's polite enquiry about Later magazine was deleted without warning for being 'off topic'. Perhaps it's time we all migrated to the forums at geocacheuk.com.

 

Or maybe we should start talking in cypher...

 

______________________________________________________________________________________

B hejn oia i filmn mip rhffhvbem, dck B acjqna bekh ie iffnpvip iea fhgk obx. - Nxh Zobfbzg

[MCL]

I too read the topic which has now been closed. Can someone please explain to me who it is we cannot read about and why? I am new to these forums and maybe someone can explain to me the history. Just what can I and can't I post on here please? I would like to know for future reference.

 

No trees were harmed during the production of this posting, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced....

[+SimonG]

quote:

---

Originally posted by MCL:

Can someone please explain to me who it is we cannot read about and why?

---

Nope. We're not allowed to talk about it. If you followed Dodgydaved's link before it was removed, search for the person's name in the forum archives and you'll soon work it out.

 

Of course, now I've said that this thread will probably be locked too.

 

______________________________________________________________________________________

B hejn oia i filmn mip rhffhvbem, dck B acjqna bekh ie iffnpvip iea fhgk obx. - Nxh Zobfbzg

[Moss Trooper]

Robin Lovelock..

 

He brought a lot of disharmony to the forum and Geocaching in mid - late 2001

 

Moss de Boss... Sorta

[+jeremyp]

Somebody was using geocaching to promote his commercial business. There was much debate about whether he should be allowed to do this. Actually "debate" is probably the wrong word to use. "Open warfare" would be better.

 

Any thread touching on the subject degenerated pretty quickly. The moderators took the view that it would be better not to talk about it.

 

-------

jeremyp

The second ten million caches were the worst too.

http://www.jeremyp.net/geocaching

[MCL]

quote:

---

Originally posted by SimonG:

Nope. We're not allowed to talk about it. If you followed Dodgydaved's link before it was removed, search for the person's name in the forum archives and you'll soon work it out.

---

 

Ah but if we aren't allowed to talk about it, we aren't allowed to search for it either, because otherwise we might learn something the moderators don't think we ought to know. My search engine might explode or something, so no, I'm not going to risk searching for it.

 

I'll just have to muddle along in blissful, moderator-assisted ignorance and be thankful that I am so well protected from unsavoury ideas and characters. I think it is wonderful that the onerous burden of free speech has been lifted from my shoulders. It can be *so* worrying when compiling a post, running the risk of saying something that someone else might disagree with. A system of rigorous sanitisation is absolutely essential to make sure that no-one has to read anything but the proper authorised party line, so thank God we have the best moderators in the world to look after us....

 

No trees were harmed during the production of this posting, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced....

[+Tim & June]

Firstly, must say that I am reading between the lines of all this because I have not seen the thread which was deleted.

 

To set records straight David is known to be a close friend of RL. Davids wife posted the thread asking why he was banned she even mentioned some of the reasons. Perhaps the above could make a moderator more sensitive to posts about the subject from these two people, but as I said, I'm reading between the lines.

 

In answer to the question about the history of the subject there are more, but the following threads (arranged roughly in date order) seem to be the most pertinent :

 

UK Forum

UK Forum

UK Forum

UK Forum

UK Forum

UK Forum

UK Forum

 

There are other posts in both the old forums and the new.

 

To DD I would say, Every time RL is mantioned there is trouble, that is exactly why the subject is taboo. Come back and join us any time, and you would be welcome.

 

Tim & June (Winchester)

 

See June, I told you that sign which said 'Unsuitable for Motor Vehicles' was wrong !

[+TheCat]

Well having read as many posts about the RL affair I am of the opinion that what he was doing was wrong. But and there always has to be a but are we not giving him the publicity he wants. I am a Radio Ham and we get abuse on our repeater network by clowns etc. What we do is just ignore them even if thay cause us problems. We find that when the idiot gets no response thay go off and play else where. If on occasions people respond to them all it does is encourage them to continue.

What has happened has happened and that should be an end to it but if RL upsets you, he does annoy me just ignore him and in time he will go away. If we dont approve of his caches then dont do them.

We should all remember that this is a hobby and should be fun.

If we are having problems now what is it going to be like when we have hundreds or thousands more cachers in the UK. I dread to think.

 

Mark (TheCat)

 

www.geocacheuk.com

[+Chris n Maria]

Here we go again...

 

Perhaps it would have been better that an explination is provided whenever a thread is closed - might save the moderators appearing heavy handed.

 

But I can't help feeling that everything useful concerning Mr L has been said and nothing interesting can come out of further discussion. He who shall not be named seems to pop up with frightning regularity and all it does is cause (non-productive and repetative) arguments.

 

I could of course be wrong and there might be something of interst, so you can always carry on conversations at www.geocacheuk.com if it is that important to you.

 

In response to a request the House Rules were created and no-one objected to them, so i believe that is what the moderators are working to.

 

As ignoring Mr L seems to be almost impossible (open any cache near to the M4 to see what I mean) the mods seem to have no choice but to close down threads that appear to be heading towards the dark side.

 

Just MHO.

 

Chris

Bear rescues a speciality!

London & UK Geocaching Resources: http://www.sheps.clara.net

[Seifer]

I know that you lot wont value my opinion much as I am just a teenager, but here goes:

 

I think that mentioning Robin Lovelock (see, i'm not afraid to say his name) should be acceptable in these forums as we are a community. We should put all of this begind us and accept the past and focus on NOW.

 

I think it's a bit silly to just stop any conversations that go in that general direction as that is just running away from the problem

 

Michael aka 1/2 of Team Blitz

 

Wqablz-xqxw tdqml kwfwm twjowcl di klelqklqok ejw hepw gt dm lbw ktdl!

 

26 27.75 34.2(recuring) 41.09275 480.048 55.027777777(carrys on!) 62.01749271

[Runemaster]

quote:

---

Originally posted by Team Blitz (Michael):

I know that you lot wont value my opinion much as I am just a teenager, but here goes:

 

I think that mentioning Robin Lovelock (see, i'm not afraid to say his name) should be acceptable in these forums as we are a community. We should put all of this begind us and accept the past and focus on NOW.

 

I think it's a bit silly to just stop any conversations that go in that general direction as that is just running away from the problem

---

 

With all due respect Michael you are not aware of the damage this man and his business interests did to the hobby and whilst we do value your opinion we will not be debating this issue any further. Please refrain from stiring things up... what needed to be said has been said and that is the end of the matter.

 

Regards

Monz

[Seifer]

quote:

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Originally posted by Monz:

With all due respect Michael you are not aware of the damage this man and his business interests did to the hobby and whilst we do value your opinion we will not be debating this issue any further. Please refrain from stiring things up... what needed to be said has been said and that is the end of the matter.

 

Regards

Monz

---

 

Ok, point taken, i'll just keep my opinions to myself in future. It always seems 2 cause more problems when I say anything

 

Michael aka 1/2 of Team Blitz

 

Wqablz-xqxw tdqml kwfwm twjowcl di klelqklqok ejw hepw gt dm lbw ktdl!

 

26 27.75 34.2(recuring) 41.09275 480.048 55.027777777(carrys on!) 62.01749271

[Team Tate]

Geocaching is a hobby, not a business. If it was a business, it would cost more than NOTHING a year to play.

 

Geocaching is not a medium for promoting business. If it was, we would have more than 'RL' to worry about. Adverts for Scandanavian credit cards and porn websites on every cache page perhaps?

 

Geocaching is a game for everybody. But like most 'games' there are a few simple guidleline to follow.

 

RL didn't follow the guidlelines...

 

'nuff said!

 

Team Tate

 

Remember - if it's moving, it's not dead...

[+cone_dxf & family]

All the debate happened before I knew anything about geocaching, so I have no axe to grind one way or the other.

Mr Lovelock clearly behaved in a way which the vast majority found unacceptable, and he has been duely excluded. By breaching the Standards/Rules/Guidelines I think he can have little complaint.

However I am uncomfortable with what amounts to excessive censorship at even the mention of his name. For several months I was completely puzzled by various postings and the way they were dealt with, threads being locked, messages edited etc. Hopefully Timp posting a selection of threads will help to clarify it for people. I suggest that you leave these links in an accesable place, so other newcomers to the forum can find out what all this refers to.

[+kennamatic]

Do we really have to go over all this again!

 

This is less about censorship than having to go through endless posts rehashing stuff that has been done to death. Tim and June have provived links above for those who have joined the community since it all originally went off, for those of us who were about I'm sure we are all fed up to the back teeth of the episode. It's like a bush fire where every time you think you've doused the flames another fire springs up.

 

Can we all now get back in our prams and look forward to swapping the nettles of summer for the knee deep mud of winter geocaching.

 

Finding your caches - Losing my marbles.

[Seifer]

quote:

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Originally posted by kennamatic:

Do we really have to go over all this again!

 

This is less about censorship than having to go through endless posts rehashing stuff that has been done to death. Tim and June have provived links above for those who have joined the community since it all originally went off, for those of us who were about I'm sure we are all fed up to the back teeth of the episode. It's like a bush fire where every time you think you've doused the flames another fire springs up.

 

Can we all now get back in our prams and look forward to swapping the nettles of summer for the knee deep mud of winter geocaching.

 

Finding your caches - Losing my marbles.

---

 

Thank u, exactly what i was trying 2 say, u dont correct him do'ya?!

 

Michael aka 1/2 of Team Blitz

 

Wqablz-xqxw tdqml kwfwm twjowcl di klelqklqok ejw hepw gt dm lbw ktdl!

 

26 27.75 34.2(recuring) 41.09275 480.048 55.027777777(carrys on!) 62.01749271

[Seifer]

quote:

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Originally posted by SimonG:

Perhaps it's time we all migrated to the forums at geocacheuk.com.

 

Or maybe we should start talking in cypher...

---

 

Both good ideas, especially the cypher idea. By the way, i haven't QUITE got your new one yet, i've got the first bit though!

 

Michael aka 1/2 of Team Blitz

 

Wqablz-xqxw tdqml kwfwm twjowcl di klelqklqok ejw hepw gt dm lbw ktdl!

 

26 27.75 34.2(recuring) 41.09275 480.048 55.027777777(carrys on!) 62.01749271

[MCL]

quote:

---

Originally posted by Chris n Maria:

Here we go again...

 

Perhaps it would have been better that an explination is provided whenever a thread is closed - might save the moderators appearing heavy handed.

 

As ignoring Mr L seems to be almost impossible (open any cache near to the M4 to see what I mean) the mods seem to have no choice but to close down threads that appear to be heading towards the dark side.

 

---

 

I personally don't give a monkeys uncle about Mr L and his nefarious activities. Edit him out of messages if you like.

 

What I was mad about is the fact that I could not reply to a post from Huga about the subject of limited media coverage. It had nothing to do with RL, and frankly I am just apalled at the heavy handed way that the thread was closed AFTER the message was edited.

 

Mr Moderator, look, do one *or* the other! Either edit the offending stuff out and leave the thread open for a real discussion about the subject that was obviously picked up on by Huga, OR.. close the thread but leave the offending meassage unedited so that everyone can see why the thread was closed.

 

I am only standing up for free speech and openness. I have been a moderator myself (elsewhere), but I *moderated* not *censored*. What happened on that closed thread was censorship not moderation.

 

I strongly disagree with your moderation in this instance. You should have at least explained yourself so that we could see what you were doing. *That* would have been responsible moderation.

 

Your message editing was good. It left a message that contained a good point, and also eliminated references to RL. It just baffles me why you then went and screwed it up by closing the thread.

 

No trees were harmed during the production of this posting, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced....

[+Rocky Balboa]

quote:

---

Originally posted by conedxf & family:

All the debate happened before I knew anything about geocaching, so I have no axe to grind one way or the other.

Mr Lovelock clearly behaved in a way which the vast majority found unacceptable, and he has been duely excluded. By breaching the Standards/Rules/Guidelines I think he can have little complaint.

However I am uncomfortable with what amounts to excessive censorship at even the mention of his name. For several months I was completely puzzled by various postings and the way they were dealt with, threads being locked, messages edited etc. Hopefully Timp posting a selection of threads will help to clarify it for people. I suggest that you leave these links in an accesable place, so other newcomers to the forum can find out what all this refers to.

---

 

(Without ill-intent)

 

I'm in total agreement with this. Almost everyone also agrees that what he did was wrong but a mention of the name shouldn't result in being shut out. Afterall we are just people having a conversation, or atleast thats why i come here. Certain people come across as very rude on here sometimes, there is simply no need for it.

 

Michael from team Blitz - I'm sure people do listen to what you say, I think your post was very valid so please don't stop leavig notes.

 

Now everyone has had a say I think its time we all moved on and just get on with what were all good at, finding lunchboxes

 

Dan Wilson - www.Buckscaching.co.uk

[Seifer]

quote:

---

Originally posted by Dan Wilson:

 

Now everyone has had a say I think its time we all moved on and just get on with what were all good at, finding lunchboxes

 

Dan Wilson - http://www.Buckscaching.co.uk

 

As well as placing them

 

I've got to sort out the copyright for my cache!

 

Michael aka 1/2 of Team Blitz

 

Wqablz-xqxw tdqml kwfwm twjowcl di klelqklqok ejw hepw gt dm lbw ktdl!

 

26 27.75 34.2(recuring) 41.09275 480.048 55.027777777(carrys on!) 62.01749271

[Ben Pid]

GEOWEASEL GETS IN FROM WORK READS ALL THESE POSTS AND THINKS: Crikey was only gone a coupl of Days....

 

Dodgy David is a sound bloke, His mate however, no names mentioned isnt quite such a nice bloke and I think what he did was very wrong and his banishment is definatly correct.

 

The mdoerators do an extremly good job here, I know I am a joker sometimes and do write silly posts, I wont deny that, and if any of my posts are invalid and do not meet the rules then please do delte or block them...

 

The trouble with some of the people here is wanting a "power trip" or something, the moderators are trying to keep the peace not create a war! Any mention of "HWSNBN" should be locked and any links should be deleted...no disrespect to Dodgy David, No disrespect to MCL...Moderators keep upthe good work.,.

 

Ok, done.....dead....finished.....

 

Over and out.

 

Pid

 

Ben Piddington http://www.buckscaching.co.uk

[Seifer]

quote:

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Originally posted by Geo Weasel:

I am a joker sometimes and do write silly posts, I wont deny that

---

 

Why should you want to deny that, thats half the fun of these forums, we can all have a laugh and be a bit silly sometimes, i've had my fair (?) share of silly posts, but i try to stick by the rules, but sometimes my concience gets the better of me!

 

Michael aka 1/2 of Team Blitz

 

Wqablz-xqxw tdqml kwfwm twjowcl di klelqklqok ejw hepw gt dm lbw ktdl!

 

26 27.75 34.2(recuring) 41.09275 480.048 55.027777777(carrys on!) 62.01749271

[Ben Pid]

LoL, Well ya gotta be a little crazy to be a lunchbox hunter I spose, not only that, whats the point in being serious because its only a game....hehe.

 

Now that Dodgy David's gone everyone....shall we do a toast....Heres to GEOCACHING!...The sport where you are the search engine and the car is just a mode of transport going round in circles....

 

PROST!

 

CHEERS!

 

BOTTOMS UP!

 

Pid.

 

Ben Piddington http://www.buckscaching.co.uk

[+jeremyp]

This post is about censorship by moderators, not Mr Lovelock.

 

I have a real problem with what the moderators did. For those who never saw the DodgyDavid post, it did not (in my opinion) fall foul of any of the UK caching Guidelines as set out by Moss Trooper.

 

The post did contain a link to a commercial web site (*not* Mr Lovelock's). However, Dodgydavid's post was critical of the web site as it had some blatant untruths on it as well as a link to RL's site. DD obviously thought that this might be of interest to cachers. I would not in any way describe DD's post as advertising.

 

At the time the thread was locked, the only reply on it was an intelligently written piece by Huga setting out his point of view wrt publicity in general.

 

Had the thread degenerated into the name calling squabble that RL related threads usually become, I would have supported the moderators action in locking it. Had there been a "blatant advertisement" on it, I would have supported them in censoring the text to remove the advert. As it was there was neither of these things. Furthermore, a lot of the people who didn't see the thread assume that those of us who did and are complaining about the moderators actions in this one instance are RL supporters which is definitely not true in my case. If the moderators just delete stuff there is no way the rest of us can tell if they are doing a good job or if they are going too far.

 

I just think that the moderators over-reacted and need to know what we think. I am totally convinced that it was done in good faith, but people can do things wrong in good faith and if everybody else just keeps quiet they'll keep on doing the same thing.

 

-------

jeremyp

The second ten million caches were the worst too.

http://www.jeremyp.net/geocaching

[+washboy]

quote:

---

I just think that the moderators over-reacted and need to know what we think. I am totally convinced that it was done in good faith, but people can do things wrong in good faith and if everybody else just keeps quiet they'll keep on doing the same thing.

---

 

I've been lurking on this one. I wasn't around at the time of the RL episode and, despite reading the archives on the subject, I guess I can't fully empathise with the intensity of negative feeling it appears to have generated. For these reasons, I'm probably not entitled to express an opinion on the historic RL issue - so I've tried to abstain.

 

But, I have to side with JeremyP and others about the way Dodgydaved's post was handled. I've not seen the uncensored original but, from what I've read, I can see absolutely no justification for such censorship.

 

Why is the role of "moderator" so called? Why is it not known as "censor"?

 

I can make my own mind up about the rights and wrongs of the RL episode but, like other newcomers to these forums, I have the right to enquire about it in the first place.

 

If the subject of RL keeps cropping up every so often (to the tedium of old hands) then the moderator(s) could easily enlighten by having a stock reply to hand - directing newbies to the archived threads (much as Tim & June eventually did) and requesting that sleeping dogs be allowed to lie.

 

But, here's the thing; if old hands find the RL topic so boring - they're free simply to ignore it each time it resurfaces. If new forum members feel it's worthy of continued discussion, albeit only amongst themselves - then it is!

 

I've rambled on too long, I guess, and for that I'm sorry but I felt compelled to comment on what has been for me an unsettling introduction to these forums. I've witnessed a mere microcosm of the Geocaching community denie the remainder a significant number of caches and, thereafter seek to stifle all critism and comment on the subject.

 

This cannot be good.

[MCL]

Oh thank goodness others feel the way I do. I totally agree with both Washboy above and Jeremyp above that. New people, for one, have no way of knowing that RL is a nono (and having read the threads from last year I can well understand why he *is*) SO FOR HEAVEN'S SAKE TELL EVERYONE SO, ON THE LIST OF HOUSE RULES.

 

Thanks to Tim & June for posting the list of threads and the "house rules", but I note that those house rules are not available separately and obviously as a link, and even having read them, can someone point out the bit that says thou shalt not post a link to a TV website that has a link to an RL website?

 

It doesn't say does it? In fact the moderators leave newcomers like myself in total ignorance of the subject, then just stretch out their arms and snuff out a thread with an intelligent post in it like little tin gods on wheels. No wonder we leave the forum, disgusted and discouraged.

 

We still have not had any response from the moderator explaining exactly why he did what he did. But then, maybe it is their intent to confuse, and drive away newcomers. After all, we come in and ruin their little empires don't we?

 

Let's just re-emphasise here that we have had our free agency curtailed by someone who is not democratically accountable to us. Would we put up with a government or council that did this? No.

 

This has *nothing* to do with RL, and *everything* to do with freedom of expression. How hard can it be to see that? I am *still* waiting for the opportunity to reply to Huga's post. I am still waiting for the moderator to come here and explain his actions, (being: to both edit the post as well as lock the thread when only one of those two would have been sufficient)

 

I am perfectly prepared to leave the forum if it is the democratic wish of the people. If you think I should go away and stop moaning then say so, and I will leave you all in peace. Votes please...

 

I'm spitting, I tell you, spitting...

 

No trees were harmed during the production of this posting, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced....

[+Rocky Balboa]

There really is no need for all this.

 

Dan Wilson - www.Buckscaching.co.uk

[+Pharisee]

quote:

---

Originally posted by Dan Wilson:

There really is no need for all this.

 

Dan Wilson - http://www.Buckscaching.co.uk

 

It does seem to be getting just a little heated, doesn't it?

I guess this is just what the moderators were seeking to avoid. To reiterate what's already been said, I'm sure the moderators acted with the very best intentions albeit, it seems in most peoples view, with a somewhat heavy hand.

 

John

 

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

 

You don't stop playing because you get old. You get old because you stop playing.

 

[This message was edited by The Pharisee on November 22, 2002 at 03:17 AM.]

[+Tim & June]

Understanding the feelings of those who feel aggrieved about the manner in which this issue was handled is not difficult. However, I would ask those who feel that way to try to understand the feelings of the moderators who acted as they did.

 

In the past, every time RL was mentioned, there was a furore on the UK forum and this furore only served to inflame tempers more. This was a downward spiral and each time the thread seemed to be dying down, there would be another flare up. To be fair, it seemed that on occasion, this was deliberate. The result is that now, there is an immediate "hair trigger" reaction in an attempt to prevent a return to those bad days when good cachers packed it in and archived their caches. It really did go that far.

 

It has to be said that the moderators involved might have been a little over reactive on this occasion simply because HE was mentioned. As far as I can find out, this is a brief history of the recent issue.

 

A thread was posted which referred to HIM.

 

One of the moderators edited and locked the thread giving a brief explanation in the edited posting. This brief explanation was missed by many of those who had already read the posting simply because there is no point in re-reading a post.

 

A second (and as far as I can tell identical) post was made which another moderator deleted as being a duplicate.

 

In hindsight, (isn't hindsight a wonderful thing) perhaps this could have been handled a little differently and perhaps, in future, it will be, thanks to the comments contained in this thread.

 

quote:

---

JeremyP

I am totally convinced that it was done in good faith, but people can do things wrong in good faith

---

Thanks Jeremy

 

quote:

---

Washboy

If the subject of RL keeps cropping up every so often (to the tedium of old hands) then the moderator(s) could easily enlighten by having a stock reply to hand - directing newbies to the archived threads (much as Tim & June eventually did) and requesting that sleeping dogs be allowed to lie.

---

We were actually working on a "stock reply" but this blew up before it was completed. My post was a hurried completion of that "stock reply". Thanks for you input though.

 

quote:

---

Conedxf & Family

I suggest that you leave these links in an accessible place, so other newcomers to the forum can find out what all this refers to.

---

We could post a topic and make it stay at the top of the UK forum explaining the forum guidelines, but I think many would object to RL maintaining the pole position. This would simply perpetuate the problem. This is why we were working on the stock reply mentioned above.

 

Many thanks to all for your input, please can we now cool our tempers and get on with the game.

 

MCL, I note there have been no votes for you to leave the forum (as proposed in you post). I suggest therefore, that you, and your comments are welcome here. I for one am pleased with that.

 

I hope that this post will help to now draw a close to this debate. But I won't lock it. OK?

 

C'mon, there's boxes out there just waiting to be found.

 

Tim & June (Winchester)

 

See June, I told you that sign which said 'Unsuitable for Motor Vehicles' was wrong !

 

PS. I like your sig line MCL

[MCL]

Thanks Tim&June. I am satisfied with you answer as I think the points I have made have been taken on board. Thats the best I can hope for.

 

I always try to debate on here in focussed, relevant terms, and I will never shout anyone down no matter how outrageous I might think their point of view.

 

One of our great political leaders once said words to the effect that "Though I violently disagree with your point of view I will defend to the death your right to speak it"

 

Me too.

 

No trees were harmed during the production of this posting, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced....

[+cone_dxf & family]

Thanks Tim & June, wholehearted agreement with your views.

 

Now you've sorted that out, I've heard there are a couple of issues in the Middle East that require some moderation, in light of the above shall I put your name forward?

[Ben Pid]

Maybe I am just young and used to getting bossed around, I am sorry but opinion is still firmly in agreement with the moderators on this one.

 

They were trying to prevent the war, but instead got an even bigger one in return for their good intentions.

 

Maybe what they failed to realise is that the Forums have changed a little of late, I think that when I joined it would have been accepted, but since then time has evolved and "HWSNBN" has gotten an old subject.

 

Right now, I think this thread should be locked. But can they lock it? Crikey, I would hate to be them if they did.

 

MCL, Dont leave this forum your view is welcomed by myself but come on, we arent all moderators, Would you really want the powertrip? when you get hammered down with every desicion you make.

 

Don't get me wrong here, I can see what your thinking about what they did but I think they have every right to feel a little hard done by.

 

Everyone has the right to be annoyed with all of this, Moderators included - Lets just hope noone else decides to run away from the fire. (Coz theres noone to put it out! LITERALLY!)

 

Pid

 

Ben Piddington http://www.buckscaching.co.uk

 

[This message was edited by Geo Weasel on November 22, 2002 at 01:51 PM.]

 

[This message was edited by Geo Weasel on November 22, 2002 at 01:53 PM.]

[Seifer]

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Right now, I think this thread should be locked. But can they lock it? Crikey, I would hate to be them if they did.

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Although it goes against my views of free discussion, i think for peace's sake, that seems the best thing to do.

 

Michael aka 1/2 of Team Blitz

 

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[MCL]

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Originally posted by Team Blitz (Michael):

Although it goes against my views of free discussion, i think for peace's sake, that seems the best thing to do.

 

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Nah. Isn't closing a thread precisely what the former moderator just did, thinking it was the best thing to do in order to keep the peace? And did it? Nope. It got us this entire thread instead, and lost us DodgyDave.

 

Learn from history, Michael! It is just about the *worst* thing the moderators could do. Besides, I've only just finished spongeing off the last lot of spitting from the carpet!

 

No trees were harmed during the production of this posting, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced....

[+Pharisee]

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Originally posted by MCL:

 

Nah. Isn't closing a thread precisely what the former moderator just did, thinking it was the best thing to do in order to keep the peace? And did it? Nope. It got us this entire thread instead, and lost us DodgyDave.

 

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It also appears to have lost us another moderator !!

They're getting a bit thin on the ground now, guys. Isn't it about time we started looking after the ones we have left? If we loose any more, the whole thing's going to grind to a halt. With the best will in the world, I couldn't do the usually excellent job that they do. How about you ??

I know this is all about 'free speech' and stuff but with subjects like that, personal views are held so strongly that discussion, argument and tantrums aren't going to change them and trying to will only result in lost friends. Wouldn't it be better if we just 'agree to differ' then we can draw a line under the whole sorry affair and get on with what we all do best.. drinking beer.. no, sorry, geocaching.

 

John

 

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You don't stop playing because you get old. You get old because you stop playing.

[+Nia]

Being a moderator in this Forum. Is like being a referee in a football match.

Whatever decision you make up to half the people involved think it was the wrong one..

I've tried being a referee, I don't fancy being a moderator, so lets try to keep the ones we have.

 

Tech-no notice

[+The Northumbrian]

I think Monz was right in what he done, it was his way of trying to stop a flame war , but some who dont know the background to this saga just replied condemning Monz for his censorship of the links.

Ever sinse this persons name arose for his attempt to mix business with pleasure has always brought a lot of bad feelings to the forum.

I never knew that Dodgy David was a close friend of the world renowned Geocaching trouble maker.

The Uk is not the only country that has had bother. and this puts me to thinking that it all could have been a ploy to bring animosity to this forum AGAIN, if we have moderators then we are all going to have learn that if they make decisions then that is the end of the matter

and the moderator rules ok. the job they do is keeping geocaching in this country going and without the work of not only keeping us in chack they also have the job of going through our caches before they are put onto the site for all to see, and as yet I have never seen any of get the thanks that they deserve.

 

Monz will be a miss as a moderator and I am saddened by his resignation, in the past he has been fair to all and very helpful to many of us

Another sad day for Geocaching,

Nige

[Ben Pid]

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and as yet I have never seen any of get the thanks that they deserve.

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I was the first to commend them, Which maybe you missed.

 

Why has nobody quoted from my post? I was most certainly not trying to stir any trouble I was genuinely writing what I wrote.

 

I think what I said was an extremly valid point, especially afterwards we get ANOTHER person leaving the forums.

 

When are you lot ever going to learn? To be honest if this malarkey don't shut up I am going to resign aswell, Its so wrong that people find it nessesscary to cuss someones actions and then dont back down when they all decide to leave.

 

For heavens sake just lock this thread, dont let anyone get the better of you.

 

Monz doesnt deserve to be unemployed, he was a good moderator. Can't you see what your doing? or am I just talking to a brick wall?

 

Pid

 

Ben Piddington http://www.buckscaching.co.uk

[+The Northumbrian]

quote:

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Originally posted by Geo Weasel:

Maybe I am just young and used to getting bossed around, I am sorry but opinion is still firmly in agreement with the moderators on this one.

 

They were trying to prevent the war, but instead got an even bigger one in return for their good old subject

 

 

Pid

 

Ben Piddington http://www.buckscaching.co.uk

 

[This message was edited by Geo Weasel on November 22, 2002 at 01:51 PM.]

 

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Sorry Ben I did miss that bit, And I agree with your well chosen words.

 

Nige