+The Growler Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 (edited) I just wondered having seen a thread a while back about the most dense OS square for caches whether there is any data on the most dense county? I'm guessing it's Greater London but I would be interested to see the results of caches per sq mile for the county as a whole. Might help me make an interesting challenge (not those stupid challenges that were brought in by GS but a proper challenge based on actually finding caches). Edited September 10, 2012 by The Growler Quote Link to comment
+Original A1 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Without checking it has to be Fife! Quote Link to comment
Alan White Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Rank County Caches Area (km²) Density 1 City of London 51 2.9 17.59 2 Dundee 173 60 2.88 3 Bristol 274 110 2.49 4 West Midlands 2096 902 2.32 5 Flintshire (Sir Y Fflint) 978 438 2.23 6 West Yorkshire 4409 2029 2.17 7 West Sussex 4166 1991 2.09 8 Surrey 3369 1663 2.03 9 Greater Manchester 2521 1276 1.98 10 Greater London 2875 1572 1.83 11 Berkshire 2136 1262 1.69 12 Merseyside 1019 645 1.58 13 Edinburgh 362 264 1.37 14 Lancashire 4147 3079 1.35 15 Clackmannan 205 159 1.29 16 East Sussex 2301 1792 1.28 17 Hampshire 4648 3769 1.23 18 Worcestershire 2126 1741 1.22 19 Northamptonshire 2870 2364 1.21 20 Glasgow 207 175 1.18 21 Cheshire 2770 2343 1.18 22 Essex 4281 3670 1.17 23 Buckinghamshire 2125 1874 1.13 24 Tyne and Wear 602 538 1.12 25 Warwickshire 2183 1975 1.11 26 Bridgend (Pen-Y-Bont Ar Ogwr) 270 246 1.10 27 Cardiff (Caerdydd) 146 140 1.04 28 Hertfordshire 1687 1643 1.03 29 South Yorkshire 1583 1552 1.02 30 Kent 3802 3736 1.02 31 Fife 1346 1325 1.02 32 Staffordshire 2718 2713 1.00 33 Derbyshire 2542 2625 0.97 34 Cornwall 3445 3563 0.97 35 Wiltshire 3261 3485 0.94 36 Leicestershire 2017 2156 0.94 37 Nottinghamshire 1930 2160 0.89 38 Rutland 338 382 0.88 39 Dorset 2246 2653 0.85 40 Swansea (Abertawe) 307 378 0.81 41 Cambridgeshire 2745 3389 0.81 42 Bedfordshire 972 1235 0.79 43 Torfaen (Tor-Faen) 97 126 0.77 44 Oxfordshire 2001 2605 0.77 45 East Dunbartonshire 134 175 0.77 46 Aberdeen 142 186 0.76 47 Gloucestershire 2314 3150 0.73 48 Midlothian 256 354 0.72 49 East Lothian 484 679 0.71 50 Isle of Wight 269 384 0.70 51 Shropshire 2365 3487 0.68 52 Vale of Glamorgan (Bro Morgannwg) 211 335 0.63 53 Somerset 2617 4171 0.63 54 Denbighshire (Sir Ddinbych) 529 844 0.63 55 Devon 4150 6707 0.62 56 Inverclyde 95 160 0.59 57 East Renfrewshire 103 174 0.59 58 Suffolk 2242 3798 0.59 59 West Lothian 238 427 0.56 60 Caerphilly (Caerffili) 154 278 0.55 61 Wrexham (Wrecsam) 251 498 0.50 62 Lincolnshire 3427 6959 0.49 63 Conwy 543 1130 0.48 64 Newport (Casnewydd) 91 190 0.48 65 Neath Port Talbot (Castel-Nedd Port 209 442 0.47 66 North Lanarkshire 213 470 0.45 67 Renfrewshire 116 261 0.44 68 Rhondda Cynon Taff 186 424 0.44 69 Monmouthshire (Sir Fynwy) 352 850 0.41 70 Norfolk 2139 5371 0.40 71 County Durham 1054 2676 0.39 72 North Yorkshire 3282 8654 0.38 73 North Ayrshire 333 885 0.38 74 East Riding of Yorkshire 921 2479 0.37 75 Cumbria 2214 6768 0.33 76 Perth and Kinross 1596 5286 0.30 77 Pembrokeshire (Sir Benfro) 468 1590 0.29 78 Falkirk 85 297 0.29 79 Angus 607 2182 0.28 80 Gwynedd 690 2548 0.27 81 Stirling 567 2187 0.26 82 Isle of Anglesey (Sir Ynys Mon) 183 714 0.26 83 West Dunbartonshire 37 159 0.23 84 Northumberland 1034 5013 0.21 85 Carmarthenshire (Sir Gaerfyrddin) 478 2395 0.20 86 Merthyr Tydfil (Merthyr Tudful) 22 111 0.20 87 South Ayrshire 242 1222 0.20 88 Ceredigion (Sir Ceredigion) 327 1795 0.18 89 Herefordshire 396 2180 0.18 90 Orkney Islands 175 990 0.18 91 Blaenau Gwent 19 109 0.17 92 Moray 381 2238 0.17 93 East Ayrshire 213 1262 0.17 94 South Lanarkshire 238 1772 0.13 95 Aberdeenshire 732 6313 0.12 96 Powys 473 5196 0.09 97 Shetland Islands 132 1466 0.09 98 Scottish Borders 387 4732 0.08 99 Argyll and Bute 431 6909 0.06 100 Dumfries and Galloway 354 6426 0.06 101 Highland 1335 25659 0.05 102 Western Isles 88 3071 0.03 Area in km² (yes, I noticed later you asked for miles ) Density in caches per km² Groundspeak caches only Excludes archived caches Sources for area: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ceremonial_counties_of_England http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Welsh_principal_areas_by_area http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scottish_council_areas_by_area E&OE Quote Link to comment
+eusty Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 I'm on the border of number 70 and 62... Quote Link to comment
+The Growler Posted September 11, 2012 Author Share Posted September 11, 2012 (edited) Rank County Caches Area (km²) Density 1 City of London 51 2.9 17.59 2 Dundee 173 60 2.88 3 Bristol 274 110 2.49 4 West Midlands 2096 902 2.32 5 Flintshire (Sir Y Fflint) 978 438 2.23 6 West Yorkshire 4409 2029 2.17 7 West Sussex 4166 1991 2.09 8 Surrey 3369 1663 2.03 9 Greater Manchester 2521 1276 1.98 10 Greater London 2875 1572 1.83 11 Berkshire 2136 1262 1.69 12 Merseyside 1019 645 1.58 13 Edinburgh 362 264 1.37 14 Lancashire 4147 3079 1.35 15 Clackmannan 205 159 1.29 16 East Sussex 2301 1792 1.28 17 Hampshire 4648 3769 1.23 18 Worcestershire 2126 1741 1.22 19 Northamptonshire 2870 2364 1.21 20 Glasgow 207 175 1.18 21 Cheshire 2770 2343 1.18 22 Essex 4281 3670 1.17 23 Buckinghamshire 2125 1874 1.13 24 Tyne and Wear 602 538 1.12 25 Warwickshire 2183 1975 1.11 26 Bridgend (Pen-Y-Bont Ar Ogwr) 270 246 1.10 27 Cardiff (Caerdydd) 146 140 1.04 28 Hertfordshire 1687 1643 1.03 29 South Yorkshire 1583 1552 1.02 30 Kent 3802 3736 1.02 31 Fife 1346 1325 1.02 32 Staffordshire 2718 2713 1.00 33 Derbyshire 2542 2625 0.97 34 Cornwall 3445 3563 0.97 35 Wiltshire 3261 3485 0.94 36 Leicestershire 2017 2156 0.94 37 Nottinghamshire 1930 2160 0.89 38 Rutland 338 382 0.88 39 Dorset 2246 2653 0.85 40 Swansea (Abertawe) 307 378 0.81 41 Cambridgeshire 2745 3389 0.81 42 Bedfordshire 972 1235 0.79 43 Torfaen (Tor-Faen) 97 126 0.77 44 Oxfordshire 2001 2605 0.77 45 East Dunbartonshire 134 175 0.77 46 Aberdeen 142 186 0.76 47 Gloucestershire 2314 3150 0.73 48 Midlothian 256 354 0.72 49 East Lothian 484 679 0.71 50 Isle of Wight 269 384 0.70 51 Shropshire 2365 3487 0.68 52 Vale of Glamorgan (Bro Morgannwg) 211 335 0.63 53 Somerset 2617 4171 0.63 54 Denbighshire (Sir Ddinbych) 529 844 0.63 55 Devon 4150 6707 0.62 56 Inverclyde 95 160 0.59 57 East Renfrewshire 103 174 0.59 58 Suffolk 2242 3798 0.59 59 West Lothian 238 427 0.56 60 Caerphilly (Caerffili) 154 278 0.55 61 Wrexham (Wrecsam) 251 498 0.50 62 Lincolnshire 3427 6959 0.49 63 Conwy 543 1130 0.48 64 Newport (Casnewydd) 91 190 0.48 65 Neath Port Talbot (Castel-Nedd Port 209 442 0.47 66 North Lanarkshire 213 470 0.45 67 Renfrewshire 116 261 0.44 68 Rhondda Cynon Taff 186 424 0.44 69 Monmouthshire (Sir Fynwy) 352 850 0.41 70 Norfolk 2139 5371 0.40 71 County Durham 1054 2676 0.39 72 North Yorkshire 3282 8654 0.38 73 North Ayrshire 333 885 0.38 74 East Riding of Yorkshire 921 2479 0.37 75 Cumbria 2214 6768 0.33 76 Perth and Kinross 1596 5286 0.30 77 Pembrokeshire (Sir Benfro) 468 1590 0.29 78 Falkirk 85 297 0.29 79 Angus 607 2182 0.28 80 Gwynedd 690 2548 0.27 81 Stirling 567 2187 0.26 82 Isle of Anglesey (Sir Ynys Mon) 183 714 0.26 83 West Dunbartonshire 37 159 0.23 84 Northumberland 1034 5013 0.21 85 Carmarthenshire (Sir Gaerfyrddin) 478 2395 0.20 86 Merthyr Tydfil (Merthyr Tudful) 22 111 0.20 87 South Ayrshire 242 1222 0.20 88 Ceredigion (Sir Ceredigion) 327 1795 0.18 89 Herefordshire 396 2180 0.18 90 Orkney Islands 175 990 0.18 91 Blaenau Gwent 19 109 0.17 92 Moray 381 2238 0.17 93 East Ayrshire 213 1262 0.17 94 South Lanarkshire 238 1772 0.13 95 Aberdeenshire 732 6313 0.12 96 Powys 473 5196 0.09 97 Shetland Islands 132 1466 0.09 98 Scottish Borders 387 4732 0.08 99 Argyll and Bute 431 6909 0.06 100 Dumfries and Galloway 354 6426 0.06 101 Highland 1335 25659 0.05 102 Western Isles 88 3071 0.03 Area in km² (yes, I noticed later you asked for miles ) Density in caches per km² Groundspeak caches only Excludes archived caches Sources for area: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ceremonial_counties_of_England http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Welsh_principal_areas_by_area http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scottish_council_areas_by_area E&OE Thanks for that, I knew someone would have the answer. Very interesting to see and some surprising results. I wonder how long it will be before the Essex cachers make an attempt to be the top absolute numbers county. Edited September 11, 2012 by The Growler Quote Link to comment
Rexetexer Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 My county's not even listed - either under it's current name, or it's previous incarnation.....but I know for a fact there's at least a few caches around about here somewhere...... Quote Link to comment
+Gushoneybun Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 My county's not even listed - either under it's current name, or it's previous incarnation.....but I know for a fact there's at least a few caches around about here somewhere...... Line 55? Quote Link to comment
I! Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 (edited) Rank County Caches Area (km²) Density 1 City of London 51 2.9 17.59 2 Dundee 173 60 2.88 3 Bristol 274 110 2.49 ... Could you please repeat that analysis, restricting to caches marked as "regular" in size? Just curious. Edited September 11, 2012 by I! Quote Link to comment
+Von-Horst Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 (edited) Rank County Caches Area (km²) Density 1 City of London 51 2.9 17.59 2 Dundee 173 60 2.88 3 Bristol 274 110 2.49 4 West Midlands 2096 902 2.32 5 Flintshire (Sir Y Fflint) 978 438 2.23 6 West Yorkshire 4409 2029 2.17 7 West Sussex 4166 1991 2.09 8 Surrey 3369 1663 2.03 9 Greater Manchester 2521 1276 1.98 10 Greater London 2875 1572 1.83 11 Berkshire 2136 1262 1.69 12 Merseyside 1019 645 1.58 13 Edinburgh 362 264 1.37 14 Lancashire 4147 3079 1.35 15 Clackmannan 205 159 1.29 16 East Sussex 2301 1792 1.28 17 Hampshire 4648 3769 1.23 18 Worcestershire 2126 1741 1.22 19 Northamptonshire 2870 2364 1.21 20 Glasgow 207 175 1.18 21 Cheshire 2770 2343 1.18 22 Essex 4281 3670 1.17 23 Buckinghamshire 2125 1874 1.13 24 Tyne and Wear 602 538 1.12 25 Warwickshire 2183 1975 1.11 26 Bridgend (Pen-Y-Bont Ar Ogwr) 270 246 1.10 27 Cardiff (Caerdydd) 146 140 1.04 28 Hertfordshire 1687 1643 1.03 29 South Yorkshire 1583 1552 1.02 30 Kent 3802 3736 1.02 31 Fife 1346 1325 1.02 32 Staffordshire 2718 2713 1.00 33 Derbyshire 2542 2625 0.97 34 Cornwall 3445 3563 0.97 35 Wiltshire 3261 3485 0.94 36 Leicestershire 2017 2156 0.94 37 Nottinghamshire 1930 2160 0.89 38 Rutland 338 382 0.88 39 Dorset 2246 2653 0.85 40 Swansea (Abertawe) 307 378 0.81 41 Cambridgeshire 2745 3389 0.81 42 Bedfordshire 972 1235 0.79 43 Torfaen (Tor-Faen) 97 126 0.77 44 Oxfordshire 2001 2605 0.77 45 East Dunbartonshire 134 175 0.77 46 Aberdeen 142 186 0.76 47 Gloucestershire 2314 3150 0.73 48 Midlothian 256 354 0.72 49 East Lothian 484 679 0.71 50 Isle of Wight 269 384 0.70 51 Shropshire 2365 3487 0.68 52 Vale of Glamorgan (Bro Morgannwg) 211 335 0.63 53 Somerset 2617 4171 0.63 54 Denbighshire (Sir Ddinbych) 529 844 0.63 55 Devon 4150 6707 0.62 56 Inverclyde 95 160 0.59 57 East Renfrewshire 103 174 0.59 58 Suffolk 2242 3798 0.59 59 West Lothian 238 427 0.56 60 Caerphilly (Caerffili) 154 278 0.55 61 Wrexham (Wrecsam) 251 498 0.50 62 Lincolnshire 3427 6959 0.49 63 Conwy 543 1130 0.48 64 Newport (Casnewydd) 91 190 0.48 65 Neath Port Talbot (Castel-Nedd Port 209 442 0.47 66 North Lanarkshire 213 470 0.45 67 Renfrewshire 116 261 0.44 68 Rhondda Cynon Taff 186 424 0.44 69 Monmouthshire (Sir Fynwy) 352 850 0.41 70 Norfolk 2139 5371 0.40 71 County Durham 1054 2676 0.39 72 North Yorkshire 3282 8654 0.38 73 North Ayrshire 333 885 0.38 74 East Riding of Yorkshire 921 2479 0.37 75 Cumbria 2214 6768 0.33 76 Perth and Kinross 1596 5286 0.30 77 Pembrokeshire (Sir Benfro) 468 1590 0.29 78 Falkirk 85 297 0.29 79 Angus 607 2182 0.28 80 Gwynedd 690 2548 0.27 81 Stirling 567 2187 0.26 82 Isle of Anglesey (Sir Ynys Mon) 183 714 0.26 83 West Dunbartonshire 37 159 0.23 84 Northumberland 1034 5013 0.21 85 Carmarthenshire (Sir Gaerfyrddin) 478 2395 0.20 86 Merthyr Tydfil (Merthyr Tudful) 22 111 0.20 87 South Ayrshire 242 1222 0.20 88 Ceredigion (Sir Ceredigion) 327 1795 0.18 89 Herefordshire 396 2180 0.18 90 Orkney Islands 175 990 0.18 91 Blaenau Gwent 19 109 0.17 92 Moray 381 2238 0.17 93 East Ayrshire 213 1262 0.17 94 South Lanarkshire 238 1772 0.13 95 Aberdeenshire 732 6313 0.12 96 Powys 473 5196 0.09 97 Shetland Islands 132 1466 0.09 98 Scottish Borders 387 4732 0.08 99 Argyll and Bute 431 6909 0.06 100 Dumfries and Galloway 354 6426 0.06 101 Highland 1335 25659 0.05 102 Western Isles 88 3071 0.03 Area in km² (yes, I noticed later you asked for miles ) Density in caches per km² Groundspeak caches only Excludes archived caches Sources for area: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ceremonial_counties_of_England http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Welsh_principal_areas_by_area http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scottish_council_areas_by_area E&OE Could you do it again but with the (sightly) older counties used on the old INATN maps and GSAK UK maps? Edited September 11, 2012 by Von-Horst Quote Link to comment
Alan White Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 My county's not even listed - either under it's current name, or it's previous incarnation You don't say which county you're looking for but your profile says Exeter which, as far as I'm aware, is and always has been in Devon. Quote Link to comment
Alan White Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Could you do it again but with the (sightly) older counties used on the old INATN maps and GSAK UK maps? The counties I listed are those used by Groundspeak to form the regions (states). I have no data for any other versions of "county". Quote Link to comment
Alan White Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Could you please repeat that analysis, restricting to caches marked as "regular" in size? Just curious. I'm not entirely convinced of the value of it but here it is. Rank County Caches Area (km) Density 1 Edinburgh 62 264 0.23 2 Berkshire 288 1262 0.23 3 West Yorkshire 434 2029 0.21 4 West Sussex 416 1991 0.21 5 Hampshire 770 3769 0.20 6 Flintshire (Sir Y Fflint) 85 438 0.19 7 Rutland 68 382 0.18 8 Greater Manchester 223 1276 0.17 9 Surrey 286 1663 0.17 10 Lancashire 515 3079 0.17 11 West Midlands 150 902 0.17 12 Caerphilly (Caerffili) 46 278 0.17 13 Swansea (Abertawe) 60 378 0.16 14 Bristol 17 110 0.15 15 East Dunbartonshire 27 175 0.15 16 Hertfordshire 233 1643 0.14 17 Cheshire 324 2343 0.14 18 Worcestershire 240 1741 0.14 19 Fife 182 1325 0.14 20 Greater London 205 1572 0.13 21 Cardiff (Caerdydd) 18 140 0.13 22 Torfaen (Tor-Faen) 16 126 0.13 23 Renfrewshire 33 261 0.13 24 Shropshire 428 3487 0.12 25 Isle of Wight 47 384 0.12 26 Cornwall 436 3563 0.12 27 East Renfrewshire 21 174 0.12 28 Glasgow 21 175 0.12 29 Dundee 7 60 0.12 30 Buckinghamshire 217 1874 0.12 31 Derbyshire 303 2625 0.12 32 Wiltshire 402 3485 0.12 33 East Lothian 75 679 0.11 34 Gloucestershire 344 3150 0.11 35 South Yorkshire 167 1552 0.11 36 Clackmannan 17 159 0.11 37 Northamptonshire 251 2364 0.11 38 East Sussex 190 1792 0.11 39 Denbighshire (Sir Ddinbych) 88 844 0.10 40 Dorset 267 2653 0.10 41 Bedfordshire 123 1235 0.10 42 Staffordshire 263 2713 0.10 43 Merseyside 61 645 0.09 44 Bridgend (Pen-Y-Bont Ar Ogwr) 23 246 0.09 45 Oxfordshire 234 2605 0.09 46 Tyne and Wear 48 538 0.09 47 Essex 314 3670 0.09 48 Warwickshire 168 1975 0.09 49 Kent 306 3736 0.08 50 Nottinghamshire 174 2160 0.08 51 West Lothian 34 427 0.08 52 North Ayrshire 69 885 0.08 53 Leicestershire 164 2156 0.08 54 Newport (Casnewydd) 14 190 0.07 55 Conwy 82 1130 0.07 56 Merthyr Tydfil (Merthyr Tudful) 8 111 0.07 57 Rhondda Cynon Taff 30 424 0.07 58 Midlothian 25 354 0.07 59 Wrexham (Wrecsam) 35 498 0.07 60 Somerset 291 4171 0.07 61 Cambridgeshire 232 3389 0.07 62 Suffolk 259 3798 0.07 63 Perth and Kinross 356 5286 0.07 64 Monmouthshire (Sir Fynwy) 55 850 0.06 65 West Dunbartonshire 10 159 0.06 66 Inverclyde 10 160 0.06 67 Cumbria 411 6768 0.06 68 Neath Port Talbot (Castel-Nedd Port 26 442 0.06 69 Angus 128 2182 0.06 70 Falkirk 16 297 0.05 71 Aberdeen 10 186 0.05 72 North Lanarkshire 25 470 0.05 73 Stirling 107 2187 0.05 74 North Yorkshire 419 8654 0.05 75 County Durham 128 2676 0.05 76 Devon 308 6707 0.05 77 Blaenau Gwent 5 109 0.05 78 Vale of Glamorgan (Bro Morgannwg) 14 335 0.04 79 Norfolk 211 5371 0.04 80 Isle of Anglesey (Sir Ynys Mon) 28 714 0.04 81 Northumberland 180 5013 0.04 82 Gwynedd 89 2548 0.03 83 Ceredigion (Sir Ceredigion) 62 1795 0.03 84 Lincolnshire 231 6959 0.03 85 Pembrokeshire (Sir Benfro) 48 1590 0.03 86 Herefordshire 63 2180 0.03 87 East Riding of Yorkshire 62 2479 0.03 88 Carmarthenshire (Sir Gaerfyrddin) 57 2395 0.02 89 Aberdeenshire 140 6313 0.02 90 Argyll and Bute 120 6909 0.02 91 Moray 38 2238 0.02 92 Powys 86 5196 0.02 93 Scottish Borders 78 4732 0.02 94 South Lanarkshire 27 1772 0.02 95 South Ayrshire 18 1222 0.01 96 East Ayrshire 15 1262 0.01 97 Dumfries and Galloway 57 6426 0.01 98 Shetland Islands 13 1466 0.01 99 Highland 223 25659 0.01 100 Orkney Islands 7 990 0.01 101 Western Isles 13 3071 0.00 102 City of London 0 2.9 0.00 Quote Link to comment
Rexetexer Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 My county's not even listed - either under it's current name, or it's previous incarnation You don't say which county you're looking for but your profile says Exeter which, as far as I'm aware, is and always has been in Devon. South Glos now - not listed. Used to be called Avon - also not listed. Quote Link to comment
Alan White Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 South Glos now - not listed. Used to be called Avon - also not listed. Avon was abolished as a "county" before caching started . South Glos isn't a county used by Groundspeak. Perhaps if you said which town you live in - or corrected your profile - I could advise which county you're in. And just to pre-empt any further similar posts, I'm not going to debate what the counties should or should not be. I answered the OP by using the counties as they are used by Groundspeak and which were defined by the reviewers some years ago and, broadly, agreed to by most who contributed to the lengthy discussion. I suggest that this thread is not the place to reopen that debate . Quote Link to comment
I! Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Could you please repeat that analysis, restricting to caches marked as "regular" in size? Just curious. I'm not entirely convinced of the value of it but here it is. Look what it did to the City of London's ranking! The value? I just wanted to know where the "real" caches were, as I tend to take a dim view of micros. Quote Link to comment
Alan White Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Look what it did to the City of London's ranking! Well, if you exclude most of the caches, especially in an area where it's inevitable that there are few larger caches, then of course the results will be different . For background, here are the active containers in GB: Container Quantity Percent Small 53343 41% Micro 45877 35% Regular 14834 11% Other 8400 6% Not chosen 6693 5% Large 385 0% Virtual 190 0% Total 129722 Quote Link to comment
+Happy Humphrey Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 I'm not sure about the maths exactly, but if the area of a "county" is too small it's misleading to include the stats in this list. Surely figures for counties such as Cardiff, Blaenau Gwent, Merthyr Tydfil, City of London, Bristol and Dundee aren't statistically significant? They should be in a separate table for tiny counties. There seems to be a natural cutoff point (perhaps about 300 km2) below which the proportion is meaningless, as it's affected too much by the cache number. For example, if an enthusiastic cacher added 100 to Aberdeen it would put that county's stats up from 0.76 to a fairly unbeatable 1.3; whereas if the same occurred in Aberdeenshire it would only change from 0.12 to 0.13. And I agree that missing out micros makes the stats rather pointless. Quote Link to comment
Langy Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 I'm not sure about the maths exactly, but if the area of a "county" is too small it's misleading to include the stats in this list. Surely figures for counties such as Cardiff, Blaenau Gwent, Merthyr Tydfil, City of London, Bristol and Dundee aren't statistically significant? They should be in a separate table for tiny counties. There seems to be a natural cutoff point (perhaps about 300 km2) below which the proportion is meaningless, as it's affected too much by the cache number. For example, if an enthusiastic cacher added 100 to Aberdeen it would put that county's stats up from 0.76 to a fairly unbeatable 1.3; whereas if the same occurred in Aberdeenshire it would only change from 0.12 to 0.13. And I agree that missing out micros makes the stats rather pointless. The original post was for counties and someone has been good enough to supply a chart on what data they have. As this was a question on setting a challenge. Regardless of the size of counties etc the data speaks for itself. Yes someone in Edinburgh may place 100 caches and have a big increase in the percentage Then a large county like Cumbria has a much bigger area to place caches on the 0.1 mile rule. Therefore the chance to top the table in the number of caches rather than percentage of area. Somewhere like London will always pull in lots of caches as it only takes a small percentage of the population to place caches and far more will appear than in most other areas. You could spend all day analysing the data and come up with all sorts options as to how to read it. Stick in the number of cachers per county to and divide that in to the quantity of caches to see on average how many are placed in each region which may give a better result as to how busy each region is. Langy Quote Link to comment
+Happy Humphrey Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 The original post was for counties and someone has been good enough to supply a chart on what data they have. As this was a question on setting a challenge. I know it's great information and appreciate the effort taken, but the OP asked about which was the "most dense" county and it seems to me that certain counties should be left out from that league table as they aren't statistically significant and give a misleading impression. Or they can be left in...I don't mind! Incidentally, I notice that the Isle of Man has 540 caches in 572 km2, giving it a density of 0.94. That compares well with the Isle of Wight, which has 269 in 384 (0.70) despite having almost twice the population. Rather odd. Perhaps the "most dense" county would be better defined as the one that has most caches per head of population. Or most caches per cacher (I guess that one would be a little difficult to find figures for, however). Quote Link to comment
Alan White Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 the Isle of Wight, which has 269 in 384 (0.70) despite having almost twice the population. Rather odd. Not at all. The Isle of Wight is thirty years behind the mainland so caching hasn't arrived there yet :D. And it's a very nice island - I wish more places were still in the 1980s. Perhaps the "most dense" county would be better defined as the one that has most caches per head of population. Or most caches per cacher (I guess that one would be a little difficult to find figures for, however). The first can be done: the sources I used have the population as well as the area. Give me a little while as I have to pop out for a bit. The second, as you say, is probably not possible as the data isn't available. Quote Link to comment
dodgydaved Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 The Isle of Wight is thirty years behind the mainland ....so is the IOM - at least it was when I was last there - and caching had most definitely arrived!!! Quote Link to comment
Alan White Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 By population: Rank County Caches Population Density 1 Perth and Kinross 1596 147800 10.80 2 Rutland 338 37400 9.04 3 Orkney Islands 175 20100 8.71 4 Cornwall 3445 535300 6.44 5 Flintshire (Sir Y Fflint) 978 152500 6.41 6 Stirling 567 89900 6.31 7 Highland 1335 221600 6.02 8 Shetland Islands 132 22400 5.89 9 Gwynedd 690 121900 5.66 10 Denbighshire (Sir Ddinbych) 529 93700 5.65 11 Angus 607 110600 5.49 12 West Sussex 4166 799800 5.21 13 Shropshire 2365 456000 5.19 14 Wiltshire 3261 639500 5.10 15 East Lothian 484 97500 4.96 16 Argyll and Bute 431 89200 4.83 17 Conwy 543 115200 4.71 18 Cumbria 2214 494300 4.48 19 City of London 51 11700 4.36 20 Moray 381 87700 4.34 21 Ceredigion (Sir Ceredigion) 327 75900 4.31 22 Northamptonshire 2870 687300 4.18 23 Warwickshire 2183 536100 4.07 24 Clackmannan 205 50600 4.05 25 Monmouthshire (Sir Fynwy) 352 91300 3.86 26 Pembrokeshire (Sir Benfro) 468 122400 3.82 27 Worcestershire 2126 557400 3.81 28 Fife 1346 365000 3.69 29 Devon 4150 1143000 3.63 30 Powys 473 133000 3.56 31 Cambridgeshire 2745 789600 3.48 32 Scottish Borders 387 112900 3.43 33 Western Isles 88 26200 3.36 34 Lincolnshire 3427 1021600 3.35 35 Northumberland 1034 316000 3.27 36 Midlothian 256 81100 3.16 37 Dorset 2246 714900 3.14 38 Suffolk 2242 719500 3.12 39 Oxfordshire 2001 648700 3.08 40 North Yorkshire 3282 1082000 3.03 41 Surrey 3369 1127300 2.99 42 Aberdeenshire 732 245800 2.98 43 East Sussex 2301 774400 2.97 44 Buckinghamshire 2125 739600 2.87 45 Lancashire 4147 1449300 2.86 46 Somerset 2617 917100 2.85 47 Cheshire 2770 1009300 2.74 48 Gloucestershire 2314 858300 2.70 49 Hampshire 4648 1743700 2.67 50 Isle of Anglesey (Sir Ynys Mon) 183 68700 2.66 51 Berkshire 2136 812200 2.63 52 Carmarthenshire (Sir Gaerfyrddin) 478 183800 2.60 53 Staffordshire 2718 1071400 2.54 54 Derbyshire 2542 1010600 2.52 55 Norfolk 2139 862400 2.48 56 Essex 4281 1737900 2.46 57 North Ayrshire 333 135200 2.46 58 Dumfries and Galloway 354 148200 2.39 59 Kent 3802 1684200 2.26 60 Herefordshire 396 179300 2.21 61 South Ayrshire 242 111400 2.17 62 Leicestershire 2017 955300 2.11 63 County Durham 1054 513200 2.05 64 West Yorkshire 4409 2161200 2.04 65 Bridgend (Pen-Y-Bont Ar Ogwr) 270 139200 1.94 66 Isle of Wight 269 140500 1.91 67 Wrexham (Wrecsam) 251 134800 1.86 68 Nottinghamshire 1930 1086500 1.78 69 East Ayrshire 213 120200 1.77 70 Vale of Glamorgan (Bro Morgannwg) 211 126300 1.67 71 Bedfordshire 972 614800 1.58 72 East Riding of Yorkshire 921 602600 1.53 73 Hertfordshire 1687 1107600 1.52 74 Neath Port Talbot (Castel-Nedd Port 209 139800 1.49 75 West Lothian 238 172100 1.38 76 Swansea (Abertawe) 307 239000 1.28 77 East Dunbartonshire 134 104600 1.28 78 Dundee 173 144300 1.20 79 Inverclyde 95 79800 1.19 80 South Yorkshire 1583 1343600 1.18 81 East Renfrewshire 103 89500 1.15 82 Torfaen (Tor-Faen) 97 91100 1.06 83 Greater Manchester 2521 2682500 0.94 84 Caerphilly (Caerffili) 154 178800 0.86 85 Rhondda Cynon Taff 186 234400 0.79 86 West Midlands 2096 2738100 0.77 87 South Lanarkshire 238 311900 0.76 88 Edinburgh 362 486100 0.74 89 Merseyside 1019 1381200 0.74 90 Renfrewshire 116 170300 0.68 91 Aberdeen 142 217100 0.65 92 North Lanarkshire 213 326400 0.65 93 Bristol 274 428200 0.64 94 Newport (Casnewydd) 91 145700 0.62 95 Falkirk 85 153300 0.55 96 Tyne and Wear 602 1119600 0.54 97 Cardiff (Caerdydd) 146 346100 0.42 98 West Dunbartonshire 37 90600 0.41 99 Merthyr Tydfil (Merthyr Tudful) 22 58800 0.37 100 Greater London 2875 8174000 0.35 101 Glasgow 207 592800 0.35 102 Blaenau Gwent 19 69800 0.27 Density = Number of caches per 1000 people Sources: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ceremonial_counties_of_England http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scottish_council_areas_by_population http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Welsh_principal_areas_by_population Quote Link to comment
Rexetexer Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 (edited) Perhaps if you said which town you live in - or corrected your profile - I could advise which county you're in. I already know which county I'm in - it says so at the top of my council tax bill (and it's not on the list - whether GS use it or not - as I originally stated). But thanks for the offer Edited September 12, 2012 by Rexetexer Quote Link to comment
I! Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Well, if you exclude most of the caches, especially in an area where it's inevitable that there are few larger caches, then of course the results will be different . "" - wtf? Don't get all haughty with me. It was a simple observation made for conversational purposes, not as a trailblazing scientific breakthrough. Thanks for doing the grunt work to enable it. Quote Link to comment
+Happy Humphrey Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 By population: I find that a more interesting and less arbitrary list. It's surprising how many remote parts of Scotland are high in the table. Although they have a low population for the amount of land, you'd think that caches would be very few indeed. Is it that there tends to be a lot of outdoor types in such areas? I wonder what the common factors are amongst the top twenty in the list? Quote Link to comment
Alan White Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 Don't get all haughty with me. I apologise if you feel offended; naturally that wasn't my intention. I was merely pointing out that one can draw few conclusions if you exclude 89% of the data from the statistics. Quote Link to comment
+The Growler Posted September 15, 2012 Author Share Posted September 15, 2012 I am very grateful for the data you have unearthed and it told me what I wanted to know. Which was the point wasn't it! Quote Link to comment
+Kryten Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Snaik is responsible for #1 on the list. Quote Link to comment
+Simply Paul Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 When I was there in 2009 I cleared the Orkney Islands of all their caches. Every one. All six of them, I think. 175 now? How the world of caching has changed in 3 years. Especially if you're on the Orkneys! Quote Link to comment
+Gerryu2 Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Is anyone able to supply an update of these stats. I'm curious to see where the Highland region now sits with the publication of all the Haggis Highway caches. Quote Link to comment
Alan White Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 Is anyone able to supply an update of these stats. I'm curious to see where the Highland region now sits with the publication of all the Haggis Highway caches. Here's an updated version of the original request for cache density by county. Rank County Caches Area (km²) Density 1 City of London 53 2.9 18.28 2 Dundee 170 60 2.83 3 Bristol 270 110 2.45 4 West Midlands 2106 902 2.33 5 Flintshire (Sir Y Fflint) 966 438 2.21 6 West Yorkshire 4428 2029 2.18 7 West Sussex 4158 1991 2.09 8 Surrey 3389 1663 2.04 9 Greater Manchester 2528 1276 1.98 10 Greater London 2901 1572 1.85 11 Berkshire 2173 1262 1.72 12 Merseyside 1029 645 1.60 13 Clackmannan 224 159 1.41 14 Edinburgh 363 264 1.38 15 Lancashire 4181 3079 1.36 16 East Sussex 2393 1792 1.34 17 Northamptonshire 3087 2364 1.31 18 Hampshire 4683 3769 1.24 19 Worcestershire 2148 1741 1.23 20 Buckinghamshire 2265 1874 1.21 21 Essex 4430 3670 1.21 22 Tyne and Wear 644 538 1.20 23 Cardiff (Caerdydd) 163 140 1.16 24 Cheshire 2713 2343 1.16 25 Glasgow 198 175 1.13 26 Bridgend (Pen-Y-Bont Ar Ogwr) 278 246 1.13 27 Warwickshire 2178 1975 1.10 28 Kent 3987 3736 1.07 29 Staffordshire 2821 2713 1.04 30 Fife 1374 1325 1.04 31 South Yorkshire 1605 1552 1.03 32 Hertfordshire 1674 1643 1.02 33 Cornwall 3512 3563 0.99 34 Derbyshire 2577 2625 0.98 35 Leicestershire 2112 2156 0.98 36 Wiltshire 3303 3485 0.95 37 Nottinghamshire 1950 2160 0.90 38 Rutland 335 382 0.88 39 Bedfordshire 1079 1235 0.87 40 Dorset 2292 2653 0.86 41 Cambridgeshire 2853 3389 0.84 42 Swansea (Abertawe) 312 378 0.83 43 Midlothian 291 354 0.82 44 Torfaen (Tor-Faen) 98 126 0.78 45 Oxfordshire 2011 2605 0.77 46 Aberdeen 143 186 0.77 47 East Dunbartonshire 133 175 0.76 48 Isle of Wight 284 384 0.74 49 Gloucestershire 2319 3150 0.74 50 East Lothian 499 679 0.73 51 Shropshire 2364 3487 0.68 52 Vale of Glamorgan (Bro Morgannwg) 216 335 0.64 53 Somerset 2649 4171 0.64 54 Devon 4227 6707 0.63 55 Denbighshire (Sir Ddinbych) 522 844 0.62 56 East Renfrewshire 105 174 0.60 57 Suffolk 2268 3798 0.60 58 Inverclyde 95 160 0.59 59 Caerphilly (Caerffili) 159 278 0.57 60 West Lothian 230 427 0.54 61 Neath Port Talbot (Castel-Nedd Port 232 442 0.52 62 Lincolnshire 3572 6959 0.51 63 Wrexham (Wrecsam) 251 498 0.50 64 Conwy 556 1130 0.49 65 Newport (Casnewydd) 92 190 0.48 66 Renfrewshire 117 261 0.45 67 Rhondda Cynon Taff 188 424 0.44 68 North Lanarkshire 208 470 0.44 69 Monmouthshire (Sir Fynwy) 356 850 0.42 70 County Durham 1071 2676 0.40 71 Norfolk 2149 5371 0.40 72 North Yorkshire 3316 8654 0.38 73 East Riding of Yorkshire 937 2479 0.38 74 North Ayrshire 332 885 0.38 75 Falkirk 99 297 0.33 76 Cumbria 2250 6768 0.33 77 Pembrokeshire (Sir Benfro) 486 1590 0.31 78 Perth and Kinross 1606 5286 0.30 79 Angus 616 2182 0.28 80 Gwynedd 695 2548 0.27 81 Moray 601 2238 0.27 82 Stirling 571 2187 0.26 83 Isle of Anglesey (Sir Ynys Mon) 182 714 0.25 84 West Dunbartonshire 34 159 0.21 85 Northumberland 1049 5013 0.21 86 South Ayrshire 249 1222 0.20 87 Carmarthenshire (Sir Gaerfyrddin) 482 2395 0.20 88 Merthyr Tydfil (Merthyr Tudful) 22 111 0.20 89 Herefordshire 409 2180 0.19 90 Ceredigion (Sir Ceredigion) 328 1795 0.18 91 Orkney Islands 175 990 0.18 92 Blaenau Gwent 19 109 0.17 93 East Ayrshire 210 1262 0.17 94 South Lanarkshire 241 1772 0.14 95 Aberdeenshire 812 6313 0.13 96 Powys 504 5196 0.10 97 Shetland Islands 135 1466 0.09 98 Highland 2123 25659 0.08 99 Scottish Borders 390 4732 0.08 100 Argyll and Bute 449 6909 0.06 101 Dumfries and Galloway 345 6426 0.05 102 Western Isles 89 3071 0.03 Quote Link to comment
+The Magna Defender Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 Time to get Lancashire to number 1 then. Another 400 caches to place why not ?! Quote Link to comment
+lydz25 Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 East Sussex .. I am disappointed in you/us Quote Link to comment
team tisri Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Just as a curiosity it might be interesting to see the number of caches listed as a percentage of the theoretical maximum number of caches it would be possible to set, given proximity restrictions. I suppose it would have to assume that every part of the area could conceivably host a cache so as not to make it impossibly tricky to figure out that a cache in the middle of a river or someone's back garden wouldn't work too well. Quote Link to comment
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