+gprgrl Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Hi Folks-- On a recent caching adventure, I logged a find and got a Georgia Souvenir, only I was not caching in Georgia. The cache is listed in the cache owner's home state, not the next state over where the cache is physically located. I emailed the cache owner, with no response after 2 weeks. Should I mark as needs maintenance? keep waiting? Quote Link to comment
+Lil Devil Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 I don't see any caches you've found in Georgia. Can you be more specific? Quote Link to comment
+Panther&Pine Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 You can't make the change and it is not a NM issue. The CO set the state location. But I think Groundspeak is collecting and using a list of caches that should be either exempt from qualifying for Souvs or are incorrect. Quote Link to comment
+Max and 99 Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Yep, you have a Georgia souvenir but no cache found in Georgia. Weird! I hope you get that taken care of! Quote Link to comment
tomowens Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Maybe it would be easier to go and find a cache in Georgia. Quote Link to comment
+Max and 99 Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Maybe it would be easier to go and find a cache in Georgia. That just might be easier than making your way through the red tape! Quote Link to comment
+niraD Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 You can't make the change and it is not a NM issue. The CO set the state location.I disagree. Maintenance includes maintaining an accurate cache listing, and part of that is setting the Location field to match that cache's actual location. Quote Link to comment
AZcachemeister Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Seen that all too often here in AZ. Cachers that cache (and place caches) on both sides of a state line. They sometimes can't be bothered to pay attention and know which side they were on when they placed the cache they are writing up. SNOWBIRDS (who winter here and spend summer elsewhere). Same as above. Rushing through the write-up without really LOOKING at what they are typing. After a reasonable time, I would post a Needs Maintenance if the owner does nothing...if the write-up says the cache is in a different State than it is, the owner needs to make the correction. Quote Link to comment
+Ambient_Skater Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Why can't the site just use the state the cache's coordinates are in? Quote Link to comment
+EdrickV Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 Only saw a few caches that might possibly have been the one you got the souvenir from, and none of them currently say they are in Georgia. Sounds to me like something weird on Groundspeak's end rather than something the CO did. (The two most likely candidates I looked at were nowhere near the border.) Quote Link to comment
+themulls Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 There is a virtual cache called Top of The Smokies Virtual Picture Cache....it is listed as being in Tennessee, and when logged it gives you a find in Tennessee, but if you look at the map, it is in North Carolina Quote Link to comment
+Max and 99 Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 Why can't the site just use the state the cache's coordinates are in? Makes sense to me! Quote Link to comment
+gprgrl Posted August 20, 2011 Author Share Posted August 20, 2011 Well looks like the Stuffed Pinecone cache got fixed to Alabama where it should have been listed--thank you! Now I just have to make my way to Georgia to cache to fulfill my souvenir Quote Link to comment
AZcachemeister Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 Why can't the site just use the state the cache's coordinates are in? A rarity, but it could be a puzzle or a multi that crosses a state line. Quote Link to comment
+Ambient_Skater Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Why can't the site just use the state the cache's coordinates are in? A rarity, but it could be a puzzle or a multi that crosses a state line. Then the state the coordinates for the first stage are in would be used. Quote Link to comment
+dfx Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Why can't the site just use the state the cache's coordinates are in? A rarity, but it could be a puzzle or a multi that crosses a state line. Then the state the coordinates for the first stage are in would be used. For some (most?) US states, the borders might be trivial, but for a lot of other countries, it's not so easy for an automatism to figure out which country some coordinates are in. Quote Link to comment
+Ambient_Skater Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 (edited) Why can't the site just use the state the cache's coordinates are in? A rarity, but it could be a puzzle or a multi that crosses a state line. Then the state the coordinates for the first stage are in would be used. For some (most?) US states, the borders might be trivial, but for a lot of other countries, it's not so easy for an automatism to figure out which country some coordinates are in. Google Maps still draws the line somewhere. The site can use those. Edited August 22, 2011 by Ambient_Skater Quote Link to comment
+dfx Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Google Maps still draws the line somewhere. The site can use those. Sure, but that may not be right. What do you think happens more often, the coordinate/state/country database being wrong, or COs picking the wrong state/country. I think it's the former. Quote Link to comment
+Ambient_Skater Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 (edited) Sure, but that may not be right. What do you think happens more often, the coordinate/state/country database being wrong, or COs picking the wrong state/country. I think it's the former. If Google doesn't know, how will the CO know? What happens more often is the cache would be hidden somewhere that has its borders clearly defined. It's only a minority of caches that are hidden in those areas. Not everyone should have to choose the state just so a few caches can be listed in the right area. Edited August 22, 2011 by Ambient_Skater Quote Link to comment
+dfx Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 If Google doesn't know, how will the CO know? Oh I don't know. This side of the fence = Israel, the other side = Egypt? Something like that maybe? Just a random example that I remember... Not everyone should have to choose the state just so a few caches can be listed in the right area. Sure, if the website can give me a suggestion of where it thinks the cache is, that's fine as long as I can override that, in case it's wrong. But the option to manually select the state/country must be present. And since we already have that option, we might as well keep it the way it is. If the CO isn't sure where the coordinates are and wants a web service to tell them, put the coords on Google and see what it tells you, just like you say. But don't tell me that's where it is if I know better. Quote Link to comment
knowschad Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Seen that all too often here in AZ. Cachers that cache (and place caches) on both sides of a state line. They sometimes can't be bothered to pay attention and know which side they were on when they placed the cache they are writing up. SNOWBIRDS (who winter here and spend summer elsewhere). Same as above. Rushing through the write-up without really LOOKING at what they are typing. After a reasonable time, I would post a Needs Maintenance if the owner does nothing...if the write-up says the cache is in a different State than it is, the owner needs to make the correction. Why would you feel that somebody that spends about 6 to 9 months of the year in one state would be any less careful about writing up a cache page than somebody that lived there 12 months of the year? And if that is true, I can only imagine how bad they are about the caches they hide in the state where they spend the remaining 3-6 months! Quote Link to comment
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