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I was wondering if you (Groundspeak) could set up a small section here in the forums dedicated to Earth Caches. There are areas for Benchmarks, Wherigo, GPS units, TB's and Coins, and so on.

 

I think it might be useful to others like myself that may have questions about setting up earth caches or maybe just have questions about things they have seen and are curious as to what they could be.

 

Does anyone else think this might be useful?

 

EarthCache.org does not have a forum so I thought it would be nice to see one here.

 

As far as moderators go I would recommend looking at cachers that have placed more then 5 earth caches, but that's something I have no idea as to how you pick your moderators.

 

Thanks for thinking about it.

Gene G.

aka... genegene

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I think that might be a very useful idea.

 

The earthcache questions tend to get a bit scattered among the other forums. I know I've answered the same question for people about earthcaches several times (not that I mind the repetition--but if they had a forum, folks could access info much more easily. They are just different enough (because of the educational aspect) that they could really benefit from having their own "home"

 

Just a few things folks would want to discuss:

 

how to make your earthcache learning activity interactive

distance to established caches

whether to require photographs

let's compare pretty pictures

how to add the earthcache logos, etc

how to fill out the earthcache report

how to get permission/contact from various agencies

"Is this a good idea for an earthcache?"

earthcache master requirements

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There should be a forum for puzzle caches then, too. And separate forums for people who love micros and people who hate micros.

There is a forum for benchmark hunting, separate forums for travel bugs and geocoins, four forums for Wherigo, and an entirely separate board for Waymarking. The Waymarking board even has the capability to start a forum for every Waymarking category although these don't show up in the general list of forums so most people don't know they are there.

 

I think that there are enough Earthcache enthusiast and enough topics worth discussing that they deserve a forum. I wouldn't object to a puzzle cache forum but I suspect that it would develop into help for solving particular puzzles and that that some other cachers would object to this. As far as separate forums for people who love micros vs. people who hate micros, nobody has posted here yet; perhaps we can use that bulletin board for this :unsure:

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Earthcaches are a different sort of critter. Puzzle and mystery caches are a subset of regular container driven caches. I think that a seperate forum for Earthcaches could be very valuable. Just about anybody can do the Earthcaches, Wherigo, with its four forums is really only available to players with specific GPS or PPC units, a very narrow base indeed. Only one kind of GPS, the Colorado can play. My older Garmin ain't goin' Wherigo, neither is my Palm, nor would a Treo if I were to upgrade my phone (again). Yeah, an Earthcache forum could have some valuable knowledge.

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I would find a Earth Cache forum very useful. I think it's a great idea. I would love to see more info and the things that had to happen and the whole process of developing an earth cache. From what I'm told it's a completely different process.

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There should be a forum for puzzle caches then, too. And separate forums for people who love micros and people who hate micros.

There is a forum for benchmark hunting, separate forums for travel bugs and geocoins, four forums for Wherigo, and an entirely separate board for Waymarking. The Waymarking board even has the capability to start a forum for every Waymarking category although these don't show up in the general list of forums so most people don't know they are there.

So, move earthcaches back to Waymarking and they can have a special forum section. Problem solved.

 

You see, all the other examples you listed are NOT geocaches. If earthcaches are going to count as geocaches -- which is a main reason for their popularity -- then they should be lumped into the same forums as all other geocaches. If earthcaches are treated separately like benchmarks, where your cache find count isn't incremented, then by all means give earthcaches a separate forum section.

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There should be a forum for puzzle caches then, too. And separate forums for people who love micros and people who hate micros.

There is a forum for benchmark hunting, separate forums for travel bugs and geocoins, four forums for Wherigo, and an entirely separate board for Waymarking. The Waymarking board even has the capability to start a forum for every Waymarking category although these don't show up in the general list of forums so most people don't know they are there.

So, move earthcaches back to Waymarking and they can have a special forum section. Problem solved.

 

You see, all the other examples you listed are NOT geocaches. If earthcaches are going to count as geocaches -- which is a main reason for their popularity -- then they should be lumped into the same forums as all other geocaches. If earthcaches are treated separately like benchmarks, where your cache find count isn't incremented, then by all means give earthcaches a separate forum section.

CITO events count in your find count and there is a separate forum for CITO.

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I'd like the addition of an Earthcache forum section.

 

So, move earthcaches back to Waymarking and they can have a special forum section. Problem solved.

 

You see, all the other examples you listed are NOT geocaches. If earthcaches are going to count as geocaches -- which is a main reason for their popularity -- then they should be lumped into the same forums as all other geocaches. If earthcaches are treated separately like benchmarks, where your cache find count isn't incremented, then by all means give earthcaches a separate forum section.

 

I'd prefer to keep Earthcaches right here on Geocaching.com. After all "Geo" stands for "earth" and the majority of "earth"caches i've found and hidden, are placed in scenic if not spectacular areas, far more enjoyable then lamppost micros.

 

Sending earthcaches back to Waymarking because you don't think they need their own forum section, or belong here on GC is absurd (IMNHO). :rolleyes:

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If earthcaches are going to count as geocaches -- which is a main reason for their popularity -- then they should be lumped into the same forums as all other geocaches.

I know you are fond of Waymarking...I feel the same way about earthcaches.

 

I heartily disagree that the only reason earthcaches are so wildly popular is because they count as geocaches. Earthcaches are simply awesome examples of the powerful forces that shape and sculpture our planet.

 

--yes, I'm including even the lowliest and most mundane earthcaches (which are not the "norm")

 

Personally, I'd like to see Waymarking come over to the gc side of things, too. The perhaps more people would visit my waymarks.

 

While we're at it, I'd like the ability to "sort" my find counts:

Have waymarks count, and benchmarks, and even include a new category for temporary event caches --and one for events that 'pull out' separately too.

Have the ability to just see how many "caches" you have or (caches + events) or (Caches + temporary event caches) or (caches + benchmarks + waymarks) etc.

 

Maybe even get carried away and be able to count the types of caches separately -i.e. (traditional caches + temporary event caches) as a way to count all the caches you got to that had a container and a logbook using a gps and the coordinates -no multis no puzzles etc.

 

It would end a lot of the quibbling folks do over minor details. Or at least make it more interesting for a time--I can hear it now: "Yes, Joe Schmoe has more total numbers than I do, but he has waymarks and benchmarks and people put those things there originally for some reason other than geocaching so I don't count those!"

 

But to get away from the dreaming for a moment. I suppose someone could start a thread over in general topics and call it "The Earthcaching thread: post your earthcache questions here" and everyone could just dump all their earthcache questions there. It would get unwieldy fairly fast, but it probably wouldn't offend anyone's sensibilities.

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If earthcaches are going to count as geocaches -- which is a main reason for their popularity -- then they should be lumped into the same forums as all other geocaches.

I know you are fond of Waymarking...I feel the same way about earthcaches.

 

I heartily disagree that the only reason earthcaches are so wildly popular is because they count as geocaches. Earthcaches are simply awesome examples of the powerful forces that shape and sculpture our planet.

 

--yes, I'm including even the lowliest and most mundane earthcaches (which are not the "norm")

 

 

You have just given the reason they belong back on Waymarking. If they so wildly popular because they are "awesome examples of of the powerful forces that shape and sculpture our planet" and not because they count as geocaches then it should not matter where they are posted. Or would those forces not have existed if the were posted somewhere else? :rolleyes:

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The Leperchauns:

Why such negativity towards getting an area for earth caches? If Earth Cache .org had an area for people to talk, I would not have asked for one here. Earth Caching is becoming very popular and I quite enjoy searching for them when ever I can. I have about 6 or 7 locations in mind in my area but sometimes getting help on the type can be a pain or maybe just wording it for others to understand can be a hassle if you are not a Geologist. I know of only 2 near me in Berkshire county. 1 lives in NY and can not get over here to check on stuff for me, and sometimes pictures don't do a location justice.

 

It was just a idea more then anything to have a area just for earthcache Questions.

This way people that are doing earth caches can talk to others that are doing them. Maybe even talk to a Geologist, Oceanographer, Zoologist, and what ever other specialists are out there that might be able to help them with a Earth Cache.

 

Neos2:

As I agree with you about Waymarks being added to the list of Finds (I have yet to do one) I need to respectfully disagree about Benchmarks being added.

The only reason I have is the fact that they were placed many many years ago and half of them are on private property. G.S. can not be responsible for one dumb action taken by a Geocacher in the discovery of a benchmark. Nor do I think they want to go through the hassle of deciding which ones are OK for us to go after. They give us the list and we decide if we want them or not.

 

Gene

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If earthcaches are going to count as geocaches -- which is a main reason for their popularity -- then they should be lumped into the same forums as all other geocaches.

I know you are fond of Waymarking...I feel the same way about earthcaches.

 

I heartily disagree that the only reason earthcaches are so wildly popular is because they count as geocaches. Earthcaches are simply awesome examples of the powerful forces that shape and sculpture our planet.

 

--yes, I'm including even the lowliest and most mundane earthcaches (which are not the "norm")

 

You have just given the reason they belong back on Waymarking. If they so wildly popular because they are "awesome examples of of the powerful forces that shape and sculpture our planet" and not because they count as geocaches then it should not matter where they are posted. Or would those forces not have existed if the were posted somewhere else? :wub:

But . . . if they get moved back to Waymarking, people who are Geocachers and not Waymarkers, will never be guided to those "awesome exapmples of the powerful forces that shape and sculpture our planet."

 

I own several Waymarks, some in an extemely popular park large park visited by Geocachers every day.

 

The Waymarks never get visits. :rolleyes:

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Just to get off topic for a moment,

I have been to the Waymarking site many times and still have yet to see it user friendly I cant enter in coords and say search or a zip code. I do not hunt them to often because of this reason. When G.S. updates the site I hope they make searching for them a little easier. This is the main reason I think Waymarking hasn't taken off as much as regular caches have. That and they don't pop up on the G.C. maps

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Just to get off topic for a moment,

I have been to the Waymarking site many times and still have yet to see it user friendly I cant enter in coords and say search or a zip code. I do not hunt them to often because of this reason. When G.S. updates the site I hope they make searching for them a little easier. This is the main reason I think Waymarking hasn't taken off as much as regular caches have. That and they don't pop up on the G.C. maps

I search for waymarks by zip code or town name all the time. It's under the search feature, and works very well. :rolleyes:

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And, to get back on topic, I think an Earthcache Forum would be a good idea. I only own one Earthcache, but would enjoy discussions about Earthcaches. A friend who owns several Earthcaches, who doesn't participate in these Forums at all, would probably participate in discussions about Earthcaches.

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On topic, :rolleyes: , I'm having a hard time seeing how earchaches could fill a whole forum. But If Groundspeak feels that it is warranted, I guess it would be fine.

 

I want a forum for letterbox hybrids. After looking through the letterboxing sites on things like creating your own stamps, books, how to hide and create hints, I see there's a lot more to it than I realized. People could talk about that endlessly, too. :wub:

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I heartily disagree that the only reason earthcaches are so wildly popular is because they count as geocaches. Earthcaches are simply awesome examples of the powerful forces that shape and sculpture our planet.

I never said that. I said that it was "a main reason." There are other "main reasons" and you touched on one of them. I chose my wording quite carefully.

 

The Leperchauns:

Why such negativity towards getting an area for earth caches?

Ummm, it's spelled "Leprechauns." I'm disease-free, thank you very much.

 

I simply disagree with the feature request, and I'm entitled to express my opinion so long as I do so respectfully. I won't say your idea is "absurd" (because it isn't) but rather I will state that I am opposed to it. Having a separate forum devoted to one type of geocache is logically inconsistent with the design of the rest of the forums. Were earthcaches listed at Waymarking where I think they belong, they could have their very own forum just like every other category in the Waymarking forums.

 

I would also applaud the establishment of a forum section at Earthcache.org. With some experienced earthcachers as moderators and/or frequent participants, I can envision such a forum becoming as popular and helpful as the GSAK forum is for the fans of that software.

 

There are an awful lot of forum sections here; too many, I think. Ultimately it's up to Groundspeak to decide which things ought to have their own section.

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I realy wasn't asking for an entire area like Waymarking and Wherigo has, just merely an area like The T.B., Geocoin discussion, and Cache in Trash out. Just a small area like them.

It could be merged into the General Geocaching Discussions area just like the C.I.T.O. is.

In the future if G.S. sees it as an are that gets used a lot they can decide if it warrants an area all to it self like the Waymarking section has.

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Ummm, it's spelled "Leprechauns." I'm disease-free, thank you very much.

 

Having a separate forum devoted to one type of geocache is logically inconsistent with the design of the rest of the forums.

 

I would also applaud the establishment of a forum section at Earthcache.org. With some experienced earthcachers as moderators and/or frequent participants, I can envision such a forum becoming as popular and helpful as the GSAK forum is for the fans of that software.

 

There are an awful lot of forum sections here; too many, I think. Ultimately it's up to Groundspeak to decide which things ought to have their own section.

 

I have edited the above to hit on your thoughts:

 

1) Sorry about the name it was a typo. Glad to see I'm not the only one who is bothered by having there name misspelled.

 

2) Then why does Waymarking and Wherigo have a section here as well on there respective sites? The Wherigo cache is only for the slect few cachers that have the equipment to do them. I am not one of them.

Waymarks do not count on your finds Tally's if that is all you are looking for them for.

 

3) Like I said before, if there was a spot on EarthCache.org I would have never have asked if we could get one here. If and when EarthCache.org gets one, G.S. can close the one here if they chose to do so .

 

4) I agree there are a lot of things going on in the forums but if they are being used and people like them where they are then they shouldn't be a problem.

 

Big storm here in Pittsfield Mass. so I will be back on after it passes

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Then why does Waymarking and Wherigo have a section here as well on there respective sites? The Wherigo cache is only for the slect few cachers that have the equipment to do them. I am not one of them.

Waymarks do not count on your finds Tally's if that is all you are looking for them for.

Wherigo is much more than just Wherigo caches. That is just the one place where the separate activities of Wherigo and Geocaching intersect. Similarly, there are plenty of Waymarks that also serve as virtual waypoints of Geocaches. They are all separate activities. Earthcaching is a subset of Geocaching, although I disagree with that placement.

Big storm here in Pittsfield Mass. so I will be back on after it passes

I hope the storm passes quickly and with no damage! We'll be happy to see your next post.

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Wherigo is just another cache container why does it have its own area in the forums? :rolleyes:

You are quite mistaken. There are many many Wherigo cartridges which have nothing to do with geocaches. When your cartridge leads to a cache at the end of the hunt, then there is a Wherigo Geocache. Call it a hybrid of the two games.

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Joranda:

I think they gave it its own area because of the complexity in creating it. In the future I bet they will look like video games or even movies .

 

I think Earth Caches are here to stay because of G.S. comment to the environment. So if that is the case why not have an area for discussing them. That's all I am saying.

I understand that you believe there are two many different areas to talk about things but there is nothing saying you need to enter into an area that you have no interest in. I have no interest in the Wherigo forum, so I don't go into them.

 

If G.S. likes the Idea to add a spot for them and it fails then I will admit it was a bad idea. If it does well then I hope you will admit it was a good idea :rolleyes:

 

Storms over now. I just like to shut down the comps just in case of a surge. It was a fast mover.

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The Leprechauns:

I think we can go back and forth on if its a good idea or not until G.S. or Jeremy tells us what they think about it.

I personally think its a good idea to add a spot, and you think its not a good idea to add a spot.

We have both stated our reasons and we both see each others points. So to keep this from turning into a "watch your tone" or "Please keep on topic" notice from the watch dogs, lets see where it goes from here with other cacher thoughts.

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I just got this e-mail from some one who asked that I post it for them so there name would not be known. This cacher has a tendency to get in trouble and doesn't want to be bombarded with e-mails again.

 

Unknown Cacher:

 

I thought that there possibly was a completely separate forum line on the www.earthcache.org web site as there used to be on the www.Wherigo.com (called discuss there) and www.Waymarking.com (called groups there) sites before they got merged into plain old forums.Groundspeak.com. And of course the CITO site www.cacheintrashout.org and Groundspeak site itself don't.

 

Just another manifestation of inconsistency at Groundspeak.

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Storms over now. I just like to shut down the comps just in case of a surge. It was a fast mover.

When you do that do you also unplug both the power and the phone (DSL, Cable, whatever) from the wall too? If not, you're not really decreasing the chance your computer will be damaged simply by turning it off.

 

On topic:

I don't see that it would hurt to open an earthcache section and see if it's popular enough to remain open. Can't it always be removed in a few months if it's wildly unpopular?

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Storms over now. I just like to shut down the comps just in case of a surge. It was a fast mover.

When you do that do you also unplug both the power and the phone (DSL, Cable, whatever) from the wall too? If not, you're not really decreasing the chance your computer will be damaged simply by turning it off

 

yup, no power surge able to get to anything. Ive made that mistake once. :wub: Luckily it only fried my modem when I used the old way to get on the Internet a long time ago. :rolleyes:

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I've been pretty involved with a handful of forums related to various things over the years and the dynamics on this one are very strange indeed.

 

In almost all those forums I've been involved with some super moderator would read that very first post on this thread and reply with the following:

 

quote:

 

Done. "Insert Link to Newly created Sub-Forum Here". Enjoy your new area for discussing Earthcaches here.

 

End quote:

 

And then this supermoderator would send of a PM to another moderator saying:

 

"Bob, I'm adding you as a temporary moderator for a newly created sub-forum "Earth Caches" until we get a new moderator for that forum...we'll discuss this and possible nominations for the new moderator on the "Moderators Only" forum."

 

If you have any objections just PM me and I'll give it to Bill instead.

 

Thanks.

 

I know this because I was a "super moderator" on a very large forum for a long time.

 

Now yes, you may say then people can/will request every little thing like "I want a forum discussing Old classic cars that are Yellow"

 

But let's face it this is pretty reasonable, probably popular and sensible request. If it was just done this way, it would be fine and everyone would be on there merry way.

 

But for some reason GS will let this thread become 2-3 pages deep, shoot off and on topic, get into bloody battles about Waymarking vs. Earth caches and let people bicker to no end.

 

Strange place these forums.

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Welcome to the G.S. forums Morning Dew. :) Sometimes things happen fast, sometimes they go slow. :)

I think that our moderators might have been busy over the last 2 days and that is why there has been no response from them as of yet. Maybe they wanted to do some caching as well. :)

I think that they also wait to see if it is a majority consensus that like the idea or not. ;)

I am sure on Monday or by the latest Tuesday we'll get an answer from someone in the upper ranks about the idea.

There is also the possibility that they have already read this thread :) and thought it was a good idea and are just waiting for I.T. person to come in on Monday and stick it in somewhere.

 

I hope it is Jeremy tells us his thoughts on the idea. Its always nice to get a reply from him, good or bad. Can't wait to be able to meet him at the GPS maze exhibit in Connecticut next Month. ;)

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Earth caches are the way to go and I feel there should be a forum for ECs. Its much different than a geocache and requires more to set up.

 

There are many questions about permission, geological types, the write up and so on. The forums could help those needing help activating an earth cache.

 

Leprchauns, why not use your moderator ID here? Just a curious question.

 

I heartily disagree that the only reason earthcaches are so wildly popular is because they count as geocaches. Earthcaches are simply awesome examples of the powerful forces that shape and sculpture our planet.

I never said that. I said that it was "a main reason." There are other "main reasons" and you touched on one of them. I chose my wording quite carefully.

 

The Leperchauns:

Why such negativity towards getting an area for earth caches?

Ummm, it's spelled "Leprechauns." I'm disease-free, thank you very much.

 

I simply disagree with the feature request, and I'm entitled to express my opinion so long as I do so respectfully. I won't say your idea is "absurd" (because it isn't) but rather I will state that I am opposed to it. Having a separate forum devoted to one type of geocache is logically inconsistent with the design of the rest of the forums. Were earthcaches listed at Waymarking where I think they belong, they could have their very own forum just like every other category in the Waymarking forums.

 

I would also applaud the establishment of a forum section at Earthcache.org. With some experienced earthcachers as moderators and/or frequent participants, I can envision such a forum becoming as popular and helpful as the GSAK forum is for the fans of that software.

 

There are an awful lot of forum sections here; too many, I think. Ultimately it's up to Groundspeak to decide which things ought to have their own section.

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Leprchauns, why not use your moderator ID here? Just a curious question.

Because he is giving his personal view here and not representing Groundspeak's position on this topic. I suspect that Groundspeak will consider the various opinions expressed in this thread in determining whether to start a new forum for Earthcaches and that The Leprechauns' opinion will not carry any special weight because he is also a moderator/reviewer. I often pay attention as whether the post is from The Leprechauns or from Keystone in order to know whether it is official or not. I noticed that in the thread on whether a phone book is a container he posted as The Leprechauns. (I also will check back in case he posts "Why does my post says Ringbone?" :) )

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Just wondering thats all.

 

Leprchauns, why not use your moderator ID here? Just a curious question.

Because he is giving his personal view here and not representing Groundspeak's position on this topic. I suspect that Groundspeak will consider the various opinions expressed in this thread in determining whether to start a new forum for Earthcaches and that The Leprechauns' opinion will not carry any special weight because he is also a moderator/reviewer. I often pay attention as whether the post is from The Leprechauns or from Keystone in order to know whether it is official or not. I noticed that in the thread on whether a phone book is a container he posted as The Leprechauns. (I also will check back in case he posts "Why does my post says Ringbone?" :) )

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I think the OP's idea has lots of merit and hope a forum for earthcaches will happen. I am really interested in the whole process and have tons of questions about making one.

 

I understand why the others like Wherigo, benchmarks, CITO all have there own forums but I really would like to see a forum for earthcaches, too. I guess one could just start creating threads about earthcaches about how to create one and whatever other questions that would come up in the forum in the general area. But I think it would become very cluttered very fast. So having a seprate forum makes a lot of sense.

 

I never even knew earthcaches where moved over to Waymarking. I had done the one and only one that was near me quite some time ago and then I saw the annoucement that they where bringing them back. I've done a few of them and have discovered some neat places. I still have a few near me to do and am really looking forward to doing them.

 

But I know an area that has this large spring and it's such a neat area. A large waterfall coming down, which also used to be somekind of mill built at the bottom. And there's a really neat cave called the ice cave near the falls. That cave has ice on the floor and walls clear threw summer due to the water keeping the ground so cold. A perfect place for an earthcache. IMO. But I have no idea where to start to set one up for it. So the logical place for me to look would be the forums to get ideas from others and someone could offer suggestions for it.

 

But at the moment I'm just stuck and have to rely on one or two people that have placed an earthcache and e-mail them and hope they answer me back.

 

Also one question is there a different reviewer or is it our area's regular reviewer for an earthcache so I could maybe send them some of my questions?

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You would think a moderator would be more helpful on the topic of starting a new section for earthcaches.

My moderator account will be fully supportive of any forum section which Groundspeak chooses to establish.

 

My personal account is still entitled to an opinion and I ask that you respect that right, as I do yours.

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OFF TOPIC

 

parabola:

I would look at the spring first, depending on its size.

Here is a great site for info on how spring fed lakes and ponds work. Its realy amazing on how the process works. I pretty sure a Natural spring would count as an earth cache depending on its dynamics.

 

How Natural Springs Work

 

ON TOPIC

 

I nominate Geoaware as a moderator. If he will take the position :rolleyes:

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You would think a moderator would be more helpful on the topic of starting a new section for earthcaches.

My moderator account will be fully supportive of any forum section which Groundspeak chooses to establish.

 

My personal account is still entitled to an opinion and I ask that you respect that right, as I do yours.

 

I didn't see it the way you took it either The Leprechanus. :rolleyes: You have been stating your personal opinion as a cacher and not a moderator. :D

 

What I think joranda meant was that it would be nice to see some sort of official word from a moderator stating that:

 

"G.S. is looking into a possible forum section for Earth Caches. No final decision has been made at this time as to the idea. We here at G.S. appreciate you interest in Earth Caches so please be patient while we make our final decision. Any decision we make will be posted here in this thread.

Thank you, (whoever's name)

 

something like that, is what I think was meant.

 

P.S. could you tell that I didn't know you were a moderator :)

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