Political Caching

[+TrailGators]

welcome to the land of the free.

It is the land of the free to the illegals. Cross the border and hatch a baby and everything is free...

[+Glenn]

Mexican law reaches in to the US as well. A local, to me, bounty hunter was arrested by US Marshals at the request of the Mexican government. The Mexican government requested this because the bounty hunter captured a fugitive from United States that the Mexican government not only refused to return to the USA but also let him go free. Apparently we are expected to enforce Mexican law in the USA but we shouldn't expect the same in return from Mexico.

That's a bit over the top.

Look at it from the other side

Mexico extradites people to the U.S. all the time. We extradite people to Mexico all the time. I think all heck would break loose here if a private Mexican citizen grabbed someone here to take back to Mexico without due process. It's called kidnapping.

 

this is getting pretty far OT

 

I totally agree with your general and sweeping comment. But if you get to specifics Mr. Luster is a US citizen and as far as anyone can tell never was a Mexican citizen. In addition Dog got some bad legal advice from a Mexican lawyer.

 

We are getting a little OT but with a topic like this is difficult to stay completely OT all the time.

 

...We're not talking about "the world" (as you say), but a box of trinkets my kids are pawing through for fun.

Which are located in the world, placed by people who live in the world, in areas of the world with unique issues that impact caching, boxes, and kids.

 

Odds are if your kids found the cache mentioned by the OP they would not read the text on the box and open it up looking for swag. That would mean that they know how to focus on the fun, while the person reacting to the message and making a stand that it's all about the fun, and not the agenda, has found a way to let their agenda impact their own fun.

 

in hindsight, i think the political message added to the fun, cuz posting in the forums is fun and i started this huge thread about that political message

 

hunting cache................fun

finding cache.................fun

political message..........."a bit of a turn off"

huge forum thread.........priceless

 

You know, I'm beginning to see your point. Maybe political pamphlets in caches isn't a buzz kill after all. Maybe they are just a catalyst for some fun.

[+flask]

welcome to the land of the free.

It is the land of the free to the illegals. Cross the border and hatch a baby and everything is free...

 

somehow i don't think you were paying attention. i am giggling now. it is a directional giggling.

 

we don't really have a problem with foreiners coming down to "hatch a baby" as you so distastefully put it.

[+TrailGators]

Maybe political pamphlets in caches isn't a buzz kill after all. Maybe they are just a catalyst for some fun.

Religious and political caches are a bad idea because religion and politics divides people. I just wish our border actually did that too...

[+flask]

Maybe political pamphlets in caches isn't a buzz kill after all. Maybe they are just a catalyst for some fun.

Religious and political caches are a bad idea because religion and politics divides people. I just wish our border actually did that too...

 

oooh, wait, wait.....

 

(practically hopping up and down on one foot...)

 

is dividing people good or bad? either what divides people is a bad idea, or a good one. maybe it's a bad idea to divide people, but you want it anyway?

 

that sounds about right.

[+Bad_CRC]

Religious and political caches are a bad idea because religion and politics divides people.

 

and causes anger, hate, and generally nasty stuff.

 

though, from reading here, perhaps there are people who find those things fun, and want more of them in the world, including making them part of geocaching...

[+TrailGators]

Maybe political pamphlets in caches isn't a buzz kill after all. Maybe they are just a catalyst for some fun.

Religious and political caches are a bad idea because religion and politics divides people. I just wish our border actually did that too...

oooh, wait, wait.....

 

(practically hopping up and down on one foot...)

 

is dividing people good or bad? either what divides people is a bad idea, or a good one. maybe it's a bad idea to divide people, but you want it anyway?

 

that sounds about right.

It's better to be united but that means behaving in a way that doesn't divide people. Not following laws divides people.

[+simpjkee]

welcome to the land of the free.

It is the land of the free to the illegals. Cross the border and hatch a baby and everything is free...

 

somehow i don't think you were paying attention. i am giggling now. it is a directional giggling.

 

we don't really have a problem with foreiners coming down to "hatch a baby" as you so distastefully put it.

 

I caught that, but I couldnt tell if you were joking or just had bad english or what......then I just stopped caring

[+simpjkee]

Maybe political pamphlets in caches isn't a buzz kill after all. Maybe they are just a catalyst for some fun.

Religious and political caches are a bad idea because religion and politics divides people. I just wish our border actually did that too...

oooh, wait, wait.....

 

(practically hopping up and down on one foot...)

 

is dividing people good or bad? either what divides people is a bad idea, or a good one. maybe it's a bad idea to divide people, but you want it anyway?

 

that sounds about right.

It's better to be united but that means behaving in a way that doesn't divide people. Not following laws divides people.

 

And following laws meant to divide people divides people as well.

 

Im starting to think that you placed the caches in question that I posted this thread about.

 

[+TrailGators]

Maybe political pamphlets in caches isn't a buzz kill after all. Maybe they are just a catalyst for some fun.

Religious and political caches are a bad idea because religion and politics divides people. I just wish our border actually did that too...

oooh, wait, wait.....

 

(practically hopping up and down on one foot...)

 

is dividing people good or bad? either what divides people is a bad idea, or a good one. maybe it's a bad idea to divide people, but you want it anyway?

 

that sounds about right.

It's better to be united but that means behaving in a way that doesn't divide people. Not following laws divides people.

 

And following laws meant to divide people divides people as well.

 

Im starting to think that you placed the caches in question that I posted this thread about.

 

Haha. No all I ever place in caches are toys for the kids. You know.....the BIG KIDS... Edited June 24, 2007 by TrailGators

[+simpjkee]

Maybe political pamphlets in caches isn't a buzz kill after all. Maybe they are just a catalyst for some fun.

Religious and political caches are a bad idea because religion and politics divides people. I just wish our border actually did that too...

oooh, wait, wait.....

 

(practically hopping up and down on one foot...)

 

is dividing people good or bad? either what divides people is a bad idea, or a good one. maybe it's a bad idea to divide people, but you want it anyway?

 

that sounds about right.

It's better to be united but that means behaving in a way that doesn't divide people. Not following laws divides people.

 

And following laws meant to divide people divides people as well.

 

Im starting to think that you placed the caches in question that I posted this thread about.

 

Haha. No all I ever place in caches are toys for the kids. You know.....the BIG KIDS...

 

for the millionth time, IT WAS WRITTEN ON THE CACHE ITSE..............eeeehhhhhh forget it. this thread is just about dead anyway.

 

next topic, placing a cache in the girls locker room. yay or nay?

[+TrailGators]

Maybe political pamphlets in caches isn't a buzz kill after all. Maybe they are just a catalyst for some fun.

Religious and political caches are a bad idea because religion and politics divides people. I just wish our border actually did that too...

oooh, wait, wait.....

 

(practically hopping up and down on one foot...)

 

is dividing people good or bad? either what divides people is a bad idea, or a good one. maybe it's a bad idea to divide people, but you want it anyway?

 

that sounds about right.

It's better to be united but that means behaving in a way that doesn't divide people. Not following laws divides people.

 

And following laws meant to divide people divides people as well.

 

Im starting to think that you placed the caches in question that I posted this thread about.

 

Haha. No all I ever place in caches are toys for the kids. You know.....the BIG KIDS...

for the millionth time, IT WAS WRITTEN ON THE CACHE ITSE..............eeeehhhhhh forget it. this thread is just about dead anyway.

Relax....

[+simpjkee]

Maybe political pamphlets in caches isn't a buzz kill after all. Maybe they are just a catalyst for some fun.

Religious and political caches are a bad idea because religion and politics divides people. I just wish our border actually did that too...

oooh, wait, wait.....

 

(practically hopping up and down on one foot...)

 

is dividing people good or bad? either what divides people is a bad idea, or a good one. maybe it's a bad idea to divide people, but you want it anyway?

 

that sounds about right.

It's better to be united but that means behaving in a way that doesn't divide people. Not following laws divides people.

 

And following laws meant to divide people divides people as well.

 

Im starting to think that you placed the caches in question that I posted this thread about.

 

Haha. No all I ever place in caches are toys for the kids. You know.....the BIG KIDS...

for the millionth time, IT WAS WRITTEN ON THE CACHE ITSE..............eeeehhhhhh forget it. this thread is just about dead anyway.

Relax....

 

chillin

[+flask]

cache in the girls' locker room? only slightly more better than one in the boys' locker room. not just a bad idea, but an unpleasant one.

 

kind of like a prom theme based on the wonders of the digestive tract.

 

bad english? where? sir, you may criticize my politics, my ethics, my way of life. you may poke fun at my disabilities, my family, my dignity.

 

you may not call my grammar into question. be certain, thou varlet, that where i depart from standard american usage (and i subscribe to the conservative wing), i do so as a style choice.

 

you will meet me on a field of honor at your earliest convenience.

 

uh, now, if you'll 'scuse me, i hafta go partol the border and make sure non o' them freeloadin' quebecois are trying to take advantage of big sales on speedos or terry cloth.

[+rdaines]

Obese Canadians in speedos at Old Orchard Beach, thanks for bring up that old, bad memory....

Edited June 24, 2007 by rdaines

[+simpjkee]

you will meet me on a field of honor at your earliest convenience.

 

after school.....at the flag pole

[+TrailGators]

Here is a cache that I found today.

This is the container and the name of the cache...

 

Rather than being offended I saw the humor in it, laughed and moved on...

[+simpjkee]

Here is a cache that I found today.

This is the container and the name of the cache...

 

Rather than being offended I saw the humor in it, laughed and moved on...

 

well thats more like stating historical fact not so much a political message.

[vtmtnman]

Here is a cache that I found today.

This is the container and the name of the cache...

<snippy>

 

Rather than being offended I saw the humor in it, laughed and moved on...

 

well thats more like stating historical fact not so much a political message.

If I was thinking national embarrassments...He wouldn't be the first one that comes to mind.

 

However,Trailgator's response to that cache would have been mine as well.

[+simpjkee]

Here is a cache that I found today.

This is the container and the name of the cache...

<snippy>

 

Rather than being offended I saw the humor in it, laughed and moved on...

 

well thats more like stating historical fact not so much a political message.

embarrassments

 

that's embarrassmInts

[vtmtnman]

Here is a cache that I found today.

This is the container and the name of the cache...

<snippy>

 

Rather than being offended I saw the humor in it, laughed and moved on...

 

well thats more like stating historical fact not so much a political message.

embarrassments

 

that's embarrassmInts

Not according to microsoft word

 

But yes I noticed that.

[+Bad_CRC]

Here is a cache that I found today.

This is the container and the name of the cache...

 

Rather than being offended I saw the humor in it, laughed and moved on...

 

Something like 60-70+% people in the country would find that funny these days. But the other 29% (or whatever the current percent is) would possibly get annoyed or upset. I really think that there's no good reason to p*ss people off who just want to find a tupperware full of toys in the woods. There's plenty of more appropriate places to push your personal politics imo.

Edited June 25, 2007 by Bad_CRC

[+itsme_timd]

I personally have strong political and religous opinions (Christiand and Republican and proud of it!) but I realized that I've joined in a hobby that brings in many types of people.

 

If I'm at a meet and I have the opportunity to discuss my religous beliefs I will, however I DO NOT force feed anyone what I believe in and don't care for those that do.

 

When I had a cache (only one so far) I realize I have to appeal to the masses that join in the hobby. I've seen some Geocoins that have witches on them and I find that offensive however if I found one I would just sign the logbook and move on. Truth be told, I'm not a big fan of the terrm muggle since it was derived from Harry Potter stories, but I knew that going in and I have to deal with it or find a new hobby.

 

I have thought about creating a site for Christian cachers and maybe even developing a place to post Christian caches. If anyone would think this was a good idea let me know.

 

Plain and simple, if I use gocaching.com and hunt their caches I am obligated to follow the guidelines they have set!

 

Enjoy!

 

Tim D

[+TrailGators]

Here is a cache that I found today.

This is the container and the name of the cache...

<snippy> Rather than being offended I saw the humor in it, laughed and moved on...

well thats more like stating historical fact not so much a political message.

embarrassments

that's embarrassmInts

The micro container once held mints.... Anyhow, your comment clearly shows why we should not have political caches. The country is clearly split when it comes to "politics," so you are going to annoy a lot of people with BS comments like that. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure that the majority of the country feels that something needs to be done about illegal immigration. I still wish we had a little check box on our tax forms for stuff like that: Do you support illegal immigration? If so then, pay this (higher) amount. It's too easy for some to have contrary opinions when others are paying the bill.

[+Renegade Knight]

Maybe political pamphlets in caches isn't a buzz kill after all. Maybe they are just a catalyst for some fun.

Religious and political caches are a bad idea because religion and politics divides people. I just wish our border actually did that too...

 

In the begining there was only one people and they had one society, one politic and one religion.

 

The reason for the division of people lies elsewhere. Coming together to discuss anything is a coming together.

[+Renegade Knight]

...Plain and simple, if I use gocaching.com and hunt their caches I am obligated to follow the guidelines they have set!...

 

This is a listing site. They publish for viewing on the internet, caches that other people of all ilks have placed. Therefore you can and should expect those caches to reflect their owners. The owners philosophy on life, love, religion, politics, and general hygene will bleed through. This site only makes sure that such agenda's are not too much in your face.

[+TrailGators]

In the beginning there was only one people and they had one society, one politic and one religion.

I saw 2001 Space Odyssey and once all the caveman touched the monolith they started beating each other with bones. Touching the monolith represented the birth of intelligence. Edited June 25, 2007 by TrailGators

[+Renegade Knight]

In the beginning there was only one people and they had one society, one politic and one religion.

I saw 2001 Space Odyssey and once all the caveman touched the monolith they started beating each other with bones. Touching the monolith represented the birth of intelligence.

 

That explains it. Intelligent Design. Evolution would not put up with kind of crap.

[+simpjkee]

I've seen some Geocoins that have witches on them and I find that offensive however if I found one I would just sign the logbook and move on. Truth be told, I'm not a big fan of the terrm muggle since it was derived from Harry Potter stories, but I knew that going in and I have to deal with it or find a new hobby.

 

you're joking right?

[+simpjkee]

Here is a cache that I found today.

This is the container and the name of the cache...

<snippy> Rather than being offended I saw the humor in it, laughed and moved on...

well thats more like stating historical fact not so much a political message.

embarrassments

that's embarrassmInts

The micro container once held mints....

 

yeah, i figured.

[+simpjkee]

Here is a cache that I found today.

This is the container and the name of the cache...

<snippy> Rather than being offended I saw the humor in it, laughed and moved on...

well thats more like stating historical fact not so much a political message.

embarrassments

that's embarrassmInts

Anyhow, your comment clearly shows why we should not have political caches. The country is clearly split when it comes to "politics," so you are going to annoy a lot of people with BS comments like that. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure that the majority of the country feels that something needs to be done about illegal immigration. I still wish we had a little check box on our tax forms for stuff like that: Do you support illegal immigration? If so then, pay this (higher) amount. It's too easy for some to have contrary opinions when others are paying the bill.

 

eh.....it was mean to be a sarcastic joke, but oh well. we all friends here, right? and yeah that check box on tax forms sounds like a great idea.

[+TrailGators]

Here is a cache that I found today.

This is the container and the name of the cache...

<snippy> Rather than being offended I saw the humor in it, laughed and moved on...

well thats more like stating historical fact not so much a political message.

embarrassments

that's embarrassmInts

Anyhow, your comment clearly shows why we should not have political caches. The country is clearly split when it comes to "politics," so you are going to annoy a lot of people with BS comments like that. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure that the majority of the country feels that something needs to be done about illegal immigration. I still wish we had a little check box on our tax forms for stuff like that: Do you support illegal immigration? If so then, pay this (higher) amount. It's too easy for some to have contrary opinions when others are paying the bill.

eh.....it was mean to be a sarcastic joke, but oh well. we all friends here, right? and yeah that check box on tax forms sounds like a great idea.

Yes we are all friends here. Sometimes it's hard to detect sarcasm in these threads.

[vtmtnman]

Here is a cache that I found today.

This is the container and the name of the cache...

<snippy> Rather than being offended I saw the humor in it, laughed and moved on...

well thats more like stating historical fact not so much a political message.

embarrassments

that's embarrassmInts

Anyhow, your comment clearly shows why we should not have political caches. The country is clearly split when it comes to "politics," so you are going to annoy a lot of people with BS comments like that. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure that the majority of the country feels that something needs to be done about illegal immigration. I still wish we had a little check box on our tax forms for stuff like that: Do you support illegal immigration? If so then, pay this (higher) amount. It's too easy for some to have contrary opinions when others are paying the bill.

 

eh.....it was mean to be a sarcastic joke, but oh well. we all friends here, right? and yeah that check box on tax forms sounds like a great idea.

I know I'm for the check box.

 

And check boxes for other things I don't wish to pay for.

Edited June 26, 2007 by vtmtnman

[+TrailGators]

Here is a cache that I found today.

This is the container and the name of the cache...

<snippy> Rather than being offended I saw the humor in it, laughed and moved on...

well thats more like stating historical fact not so much a political message.

embarrassments

that's embarrassmInts

Anyhow, your comment clearly shows why we should not have political caches. The country is clearly split when it comes to "politics," so you are going to annoy a lot of people with BS comments like that. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure that the majority of the country feels that something needs to be done about illegal immigration. I still wish we had a little check box on our tax forms for stuff like that: Do you support illegal immigration? If so then, pay this (higher) amount. It's too easy for some to have contrary opinions when others are paying the bill.

 

eh.....it was mean to be a sarcastic joke, but oh well. we all friends here, right? and yeah that check box on tax forms sounds like a great idea.

I know I'm for the check box. And check boxes for other things I don't wish to pay for.

Like paying congressmen $15K/month retirement pay for the rest of their lives just because they served one term... They can't get anything else done but they made sure they voted for that.... Edited June 26, 2007 by TrailGators

[+DudleyGrunt]

I have thought about creating a site for Christian cachers and maybe even developing a place to post Christian caches. If anyone would think this was a good idea let me know.

 

Check out my signature for a group you might appreciate - GeoCachers 4 Christ.

 

Dave

[Clan Riffster]

A FREAKIN' WALL! can you say "berlin?"

Just for the record, the original purpose of the Berlin Wall was to keep the subjects in, not keep them out.

[+TrailGators]

A FREAKIN' WALL! can you say "berlin?"

Just for the record, the original purpose of the Berlin Wall was to keep the subjects in, not keep them out.

We wouldn't want the facts interfering with someone's assertion. If a wall costs less than the hundreds of billions we are losing I am all for it. It doesn't seem like anything else has been able to stop it.

[+TeamBarstool]

A FREAKIN' WALL! can you say "berlin?"

Just for the record, the original purpose of the Berlin Wall was to keep the subjects in, not keep them out.

We wouldn't want the facts interfering with someone's assertion. If a wall costs less than the hundreds of billions we are losing I am all for it. It doesn't seem like anything else has been able to stop it.

 

just to stay way off topic...

 

a wall? 15' wall... 16' ladder. and the tunnels work well here too. I know the system we have now really sucks,but as long as an person wants to make their life better and risk their life to do it,I don't think it can be stopped. and I kind of admire that.

 

at least a thousand dead in the sonoran desert here since 2000... think about it, is this a problem a wall can solve?

[+flask]

A FREAKIN' WALL! can you say "berlin?"

Just for the record, the original purpose of the Berlin Wall was to keep the subjects in, not keep them out.

We wouldn't want the facts interfering with someone's assertion. If a wall costs less than the hundreds of billions we are losing I am all for it. It doesn't seem like anything else has been able to stop it.

 

my point wasn't directional. i know what it was for. i resent your implication that i do not have a respect for facts.

 

my POINT was the tragedy of putting a wall down the middle of a town. that community has lived peacefully together for a long time and it would really stink to put a wall down the middle of it.

 

i always look at the town and think they're kind of thumbing their collective nose at the idea of something so silly as an international border coming between them. i think it is laudable and much to be desired.

 

i'm not particularly in favor of borders. i believe in my heart that we are all one people. i believe we should be working toward that end. call me a crazy idealist, but someone has to keep the light burning. i'm not naive and i'm not stupid. i do not have any shortage of facts. i simply cannot surrender my dearly held belief of what should be, even in the face of what is.

[+TrailGators]

A FREAKIN' WALL! can you say "berlin?"

Just for the record, the original purpose of the Berlin Wall was to keep the subjects in, not keep them out.

We wouldn't want the facts interfering with someone's assertion. If a wall costs less than the hundreds of billions we are losing I am all for it. It doesn't seem like anything else has been able to stop it.

 

my point wasn't directional. i know what it was for. i resent your implication that i do not have a respect for facts.

 

my POINT was the tragedy of putting a wall down the middle of a town. that community has lived peacefully together for a long time and it would really stink to put a wall down the middle of it.

 

i always look at the town and think they're kind of thumbing their collective nose at the idea of something so silly as an international border coming between them. i think it is laudable and much to be desired.

 

i'm not particularly in favor of borders. i believe in my heart that we are all one people. i believe we should be working toward that end. call me a crazy idealist, but someone has to keep the light burning. i'm not naive and i'm not stupid. i do not have any shortage of facts. i simply cannot surrender my dearly held belief of what should be, even in the face of what is.

Ideally we wouldn't have to pay taxes....

[+flask]

Ideally we wouldn't have to pay taxes....

 

i'm not a big fan of government. not wild about taxes.

 

i would believe in market forces entirely, except there's a general lack of corporate morals.

 

i'm in favor of morals. personal liberty. blah, blah, blah.

 

may parents taught me that the republicans are out to screw the people in the name of business, and the democrats are out to screw the people in the name of the people.

 

it's glib, but it's a pretty good reduction, i think.

[+simpjkee]

Here is a cache that I found today.

This is the container and the name of the cache...

<snippy> Rather than being offended I saw the humor in it, laughed and moved on...

well thats more like stating historical fact not so much a political message.

embarrassments

that's embarrassmInts

Anyhow, your comment clearly shows why we should not have political caches. The country is clearly split when it comes to "politics," so you are going to annoy a lot of people with BS comments like that. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure that the majority of the country feels that something needs to be done about illegal immigration. I still wish we had a little check box on our tax forms for stuff like that: Do you support illegal immigration? If so then, pay this (higher) amount. It's too easy for some to have contrary opinions when others are paying the bill.

eh.....it was mean to be a sarcastic joke, but oh well. we all friends here, right? and yeah that check box on tax forms sounds like a great idea.

Yes we are all friends here. Sometimes it's hard to detect sarcasm in these threads.

 

for future reference if its posted by me, it's probably sarcastic. I'm harmless. I mean no disrespect to anyone. In the end we all just cachers talkin on the interwebz

[+simpjkee]

A FREAKIN' WALL! can you say "berlin?"

Just for the record, the original purpose of the Berlin Wall was to keep the subjects in, not keep them out.

We wouldn't want the facts interfering with someone's assertion. If a wall costs less than the hundreds of billions we are losing I am all for it. It doesn't seem like anything else has been able to stop it.

 

just to stay way off topic...

 

 

don't bother me. i'm sure somebody is offended though

[vtmtnman]

may parents taught me that the republicans are out to screw the people in the name of business, and the democrats are out to screw the people in the name of the people.

While I do fall in one of those catagories,that beautifully sums it up.I feel a sig line change coming on soon.

[+DudleyGrunt]

A wall needs to be part of the solution, along with other deterrents. If we have enough deterrents, then it will become less appealing to bypass our legal immigration process. It is a tragedy that so many die trying to sneak into our country. That is way stopping ILLEGAL immigration is a humanitarian effort, NOT the aim of racist xenophobes as many in the open borders camp seem to believe (or at least assert).

 

It does aggravate me to no end that so many seem to not understand that being against "illegal immigration" is NOT the same as being against immigration or hating immigrants. Just as I don't mind people having nice things, I don't thing they should get them through theft. No problem with people driving cars, but they should be licensed and their cars registered. When it comes to immigration, some people don't seem to understand the difference.

 

ILLEGAL immigrants are not vital to our economy. There are enough people around the globe that want to come here that we could easily fill any gaps in our job market with those willing to play by the rules.

 

Dave

Edited June 26, 2007 by DudleyGrunt

[+TeamBarstool]

A wall needs to be part of the solution, along with other deterrents. If we have enough deterrents, then it will become less appealing to bypass our legal immigration process. It is a tragedy that so many die trying to sneak into our country. That is way stopping ILLEGAL immigration is a humanitarian effort, NOT the aim of racist xenophobes as many in the open borders camp seem to believe (or at least assert).

 

It does aggravate me to no end that so many seem to not understand that being against "illegal immigration" is NOT the same as being against immigration or hating immigrants. Just as I don't mind people having nice things, I don't thing they should get them through theft. No problem with people driving cars, but they should be licensed and their cars registered. When it comes to immigration, some people don't seem to understand the difference.

 

ILLEGAL immigrants are not vital to our economy. There are enough people around the globe that want to come here that we could easily fill any gaps in our job market with those willing to play by the rules.

 

Dave

while I agree with this post , I don't see a fence being properly monitered and maintained. Look at the gallery of this cache.

[vtmtnman]

A wall needs to be part of the solution, along with other deterrents. If we have enough deterrents, then it will become less appealing to bypass our legal immigration process. It is a tragedy that so many die trying to sneak into our country. That is way stopping ILLEGAL immigration is a humanitarian effort, NOT the aim of racist xenophobes as many in the open borders camp seem to believe (or at least assert).

 

It does aggravate me to no end that so many seem to not understand that being against "illegal immigration" is NOT the same as being against immigration or hating immigrants. Just as I don't mind people having nice things, I don't thing they should get them through theft. No problem with people driving cars, but they should be licensed and their cars registered. When it comes to immigration, some people don't seem to understand the difference.

 

ILLEGAL immigrants are not vital to our economy. There are enough people around the globe that want to come here that we could easily fill any gaps in our job market with those willing to play by the rules.

 

Dave

while I agree with this post , I don't see a fence being properly monitered and maintained. Look at the gallery of this cache.

Nothing but barbed wire???

And everyone is wondering why illegals keep coming back over???

[+TrailGators]

A wall needs to be part of the solution, along with other deterrents. If we have enough deterrents, then it will become less appealing to bypass our legal immigration process. It is a tragedy that so many die trying to sneak into our country. That is way stopping ILLEGAL immigration is a humanitarian effort, NOT the aim of racist xenophobes as many in the open borders camp seem to believe (or at least assert).

 

It does aggravate me to no end that so many seem to not understand that being against "illegal immigration" is NOT the same as being against immigration or hating immigrants. Just as I don't mind people having nice things, I don't thing they should get them through theft. No problem with people driving cars, but they should be licensed and their cars registered. When it comes to immigration, some people don't seem to understand the difference.

 

ILLEGAL immigrants are not vital to our economy. There are enough people around the globe that want to come here that we could easily fill any gaps in our job market with those willing to play by the rules.

 

Dave

Great post!

[+TrailGators]

my parents taught me that the republicans are out to screw the people in the name of business, and the democrats are out to screw the people in the name of the people.

The big difference in that the "liberal" democrats want to push us towards socialism. Edited June 26, 2007 by TrailGators

[Clan Riffster]

In a desperate attempt to steer this thread back on course, lemme say that, in my opinion, politics and caching don't mix very well. One of the greatest things about this community is that we can all come together under a common flag. You know, the one with the cute little frog on it? For the most part, a person's political beliefs are largely irrelevant. I am a staunch Libertarian, (less government/less taxes/more accountability/blah blah blah), yet I've got good caching friends in both the Conservative and Liberal camps. I'm somewhat Agnostic, (I'm pretty sure there's a God, just not sure what Her name is), yet I have caching friends from all the major religions from Catholicism to Wiccan.

 

Personally, I like to treat social caching like sitting around the dinner table. No political or religious discussion needed.

 

Back off topic: I do find it odd that illegal immigration is considered to be a political topic. If it were any other crime, it would simply be a discussion regarding the disregarding of the law.