+RingXero Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 Forgive my newbyness please But I keep reading posts about how good it is to 'Trade up', when what they mean is the cacher leaving an equal or higher quality item than the one that was taken, which would be 'Trading down'. How did this get switched? or when someone is saying 'I traded up' they are speaking for the cache object? confused. RX Any deity worthy of a graven image can cobble up a working universe complete with fake fossils in under a week - hey, if you're not omnipotent, there's no real point in being a god. But to start with a big ball of elementary particles and end up with the duckbill platypus without constant twiddling requires a degree of subtlety and the ability to Think Things Through: exactly the qualities I'm looking for when I'm shopping for a Supreme Being. Quote Link to comment
+Criminal Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 Think of it from the point of view of the cache. If you take a golf ball and leave a golf club, you would be trading up the value ofthe cache. http://fp1.centurytel.net/Criminal_Page/ Quote Link to comment
+RingXero Posted October 3, 2003 Author Share Posted October 3, 2003 "You would be trading up the value of the cache" thanks for the context, as I have been going abit insane reading 'I traded up', or 'people should trade up or not at all'. and trying to see why anyone would think this was good behaviour. of course, I shake my head everytime I hear 'near-miss' as well. RX Quote Link to comment
opie744 Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 We try to leave extras too. If my daughter wants a ball and we have 2 in our trade items I'll leave them and my sig item. Quote Link to comment
+Prime Suspect Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 quote:Originally posted by RingXero:Forgive my newbyness please But I keep reading posts about how good it is to 'Trade up', when what they mean is the cacher leaving an equal or higher quality item than the one that was taken, which would be 'Trading down'. You're 100% correct. It just makes the people who use it look stupid, since they're using it completely backwards. See this thread for more thoughts. "Don't mess with a geocacher. We know all the best places to hide a body." Quote Link to comment
+nincehelser Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 quote:Originally posted by RingXero:Forgive my newbyness please But I keep reading posts about how good it is to 'Trade up', when what they mean is the cacher leaving an equal or higher quality item than the one that was taken, which would be 'Trading down'. "Trading up" has been badly misused by some geocachers. Some will try to rationalize that it is in the point of view of the cache, but that's a wild stretch. George George Quote Link to comment
+Prime Suspect Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Criminal:Think of it from the point of view of the cache. If you take a golf ball and leave a golf club, you would be trading up the value ofthe cache. We'll skip the part about a cache being an inanimate object and not having a point of view. The phrase is almost always used to represent an action taken by the geocacher - "I traded up the cache", "You should always trade up", etc. No one ever says "I think the cache would be as happy as an inanimate object could be if it were traded up". "Don't mess with a geocacher. We know all the best places to hide a body." Quote Link to comment
+Renegade Knight Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 Trading Up is part of the lexicon now. So is muggle. Life is change. English has two rule sets. The one in the book and the reality we all speak and write. The book is static. Language is alive. Some people have the wisdom to ask and learn. Quote Link to comment
martmann Posted October 5, 2003 Share Posted October 5, 2003 quote:Originally posted by RingXero:I shake my head everytime I hear 'near-miss' as well. It's easier than saying 'it was very close to a collision, but missed'. After all, things miss each other by a long distance all the time, but when they miss while very near to each other, it increases the pucker factor. If you don't like that explanation, RK's explanation fits well. I saw one in the forums recently stating that a point was 'mute' instead of moot, now that's just wrong. ___________________________________________________________ If trees could scream, would we still cut them down? Well, maybe if they screamed all the time, for no reason. Click here for my Geocaching pictures and Here (newest) Quote Link to comment
bnolan Posted October 5, 2003 Share Posted October 5, 2003 There is only one correct way to interpret the phrase "Trading Up" We all know that maps are printed with north at the top of the map. So when I travel north to Lewiston, I say I am going "up" to Lewiston, even though it is a lower elevation. I am going "Up" the map. When it comes to "Trading Up" a cache, that means the person traded the location of the cache to someplpace north of where it was originally. There can be no other interpretation. ____________________________________________________ I may be lost, but at least I am making good time. Quote Link to comment
+WalruZ Posted October 5, 2003 Share Posted October 5, 2003 >>We'll skip the part about a cache being an inanimate object and not having a point of view. Ah, I don't believe that at all. Every cache I've been to has a spirit and a personality and something very close to a point of view. Saying that a cache is Inanimate is logical and literally correct and also sad and limited and imperceptive. Caches have an essence that begins when they are born and that is nurtured - or neglected - as people visit them and leave bits of their own spirits there. If you can't feel that a cache is much more than an object then you're missing something... Quote Link to comment
+RingXero Posted October 6, 2003 Author Share Posted October 6, 2003 quote:Originally posted by martmann:It's easier than saying 'it was very close to a collision, but missed'. After all, things miss each other by a long distance all the time, but when they miss while very near to each other, it increases the pucker factor. Actually, 'nearly hit' or a 'near hit' would have been vastly more accurate in describing the scenario. 'Near miss' was coined by accident by a journalist with not enough sense. You will notice though that the usage is reduced greatly and the terms 'near collision', 'almost collided' or the like has taken it's place. 'Trading Up' as a short for 'Trading up the value of the cache' works well enough for me not to sigh everytime I hear/read it. Will I personally use the phrase? don't know, don't really care that much about it. I was more interested in how the phrase came about. RX Any deity worthy of a graven image can cobble up a working universe complete with fake fossils in under a week - hey, if you're not omnipotent, there's no real point in being a god. But to start with a big ball of elementary particles and end up with the duckbill platypus without constant twiddling requires a degree of subtlety and the ability to Think Things Through: exactly the qualities I'm looking for when I'm shopping for a Supreme Being. Quote Link to comment
+BlueDeuce Posted October 6, 2003 Share Posted October 6, 2003 It could be worse, we could be saying "I appreciated the cache as it had been depreciated by many before me. " Quote Link to comment
+Prime Suspect Posted October 6, 2003 Share Posted October 6, 2003 quote:Originally posted by WalruZ:... as people visit them and leave bits of their own spirits there. No, alcohol is not permitted in caches. And you didn't mention if caches also have an aura. Perhaps I should start trying to find caches by sensing their phychic vibrations... "Don't mess with a geocacher. We know all the best places to hide a body." Quote Link to comment
+BlueDeuce Posted October 6, 2003 Share Posted October 6, 2003 It sure does. If you suspend a crystal over a map it'll point right to the cache. The hard part is holding my monitor upright with one hand while dangling the crystal over a mapquest page. Quote Link to comment
+xenophon10k Posted October 6, 2003 Share Posted October 6, 2003 quote:But I keep reading posts about how good it is to 'Trade up', when what they mean is the cacher leaving an equal or higher quality item than the one that was taken, which would be 'Trading down'. This is why I only trade left. Put that fweakin' sandwich down! Quote Link to comment
+Prime Suspect Posted October 6, 2003 Share Posted October 6, 2003 quote:Originally posted by TeamX40:It sure does. If you suspend a crystal over a map it'll point right to the cache. The hard part is holding my monitor upright with one hand while dangling the crystal over a mapquest page. Hey! Another method of finding MOCs without a premium membership! "Don't mess with a geocacher. We know all the best places to hide a body." Quote Link to comment
+brad.32 Posted October 6, 2003 Share Posted October 6, 2003 quote:Originally posted by WalruZ:have an essence that begins when they are born and that is nurtured - or neglected - as people visit them and leave bits of their own spirits there. If you can't feel that a cache is much more than an object then you're missing something... That was a good one. Quote Link to comment
moose1961 Posted October 12, 2003 Share Posted October 12, 2003 I try to leave something equal or better and almost always leave more items than I take so how does that relate to trading up??? Quote Link to comment
+Woof! Posted October 12, 2003 Share Posted October 12, 2003 quote:Originally posted by martmann:I saw one in the forums recently stating that a point was 'mute' instead of moot, now that's just wrong. Huh? I thought it was a "moo" point. You know, like a cows opinion...it just doesn't matter. Happy Halloween Quote Link to comment
+Prime Suspect Posted October 12, 2003 Share Posted October 12, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Woof!: Huh? I thought it was a "moo" point. You know, like a cows opinion...it just doesn't matter. Since we're discussing word meaning here, "moot" doesn't mean something that doesn't matter. Moot refers to a hypothetical situation created for the purpose of discussion. Moot Court is where legal students argue hypothetical questions (and don't tell them it doesn't matter!). And who says watching reruns of The Paper Chase was a waste of time? "Don't mess with a geocacher. We know all the best places to hide a body." Quote Link to comment
evilrooster Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Prime Suspect:And you didn't mention if caches also have an aura. Perhaps I should start trying to find caches by sensing their phychic vibrations... So that's how my GPS works. I thought all the "satellites" talk was mumbo-jumbo... evilrooster http://www.bookweb.sunpig.com -the email of the species is deadlier than the mail- Quote Link to comment
+Team CountryStylin Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 quote:Originally posted by WalruZ:>>We'll skip the part about a cache being an inanimate object and not having a point of view. Ah, I don't believe that at all. Every cache I've been to has a spirit and a personality and something very close to a point of view. Saying that a cache is Inanimate is logical and literally correct and also sad and limited and imperceptive. Caches have an essence that begins when they are born and that is nurtured - or neglected - as people visit them and leave bits of their own spirits there. If you can't feel that a cache is much more than an object then you're missing something... LOL - You may be right! "Oz nevah did give anything to The Tin man that he didn't ALWAYS have" Quote Link to comment
Team Titus213 Posted October 14, 2003 Share Posted October 14, 2003 I'm going to pick the oldest cache in the area and watch it. When the only thing left to 'trade up' to is a new SUV, I'll wait until it's there and go get it.... Course, what would I leave? ___________________________________ I once was lost, but now am found; Was blind, but now I see. Quote Link to comment
martmann Posted October 14, 2003 Share Posted October 14, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Woof!: quote:Originally posted by martmann:I saw one in the forums recently stating that a point was 'mute' instead of moot, now that's just wrong. Huh? I thought it was a "moo" point. You know, like a cows opinion...it just doesn't matter. OK Joey, you're right. ___________________________________________________________ If trees could scream, would we still cut them down? Well, maybe if they screamed all the time, for no reason. Click here for my Geocaching pictures and Here (newest) Quote Link to comment
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