Is this too close or what

[Tahosa and Sons]

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[This message was edited by The "Bushwhacker" on March 21, 2002 at 08:56 PM.]

[ErikCloud]

Well, it IS to close to the previously existing cache. I plead stupidity in not noticing that. For that reason I've disabled the cache and will either place it elsewhere or come up with a new theme entirely.

 

Now it is in a nature area, but placed near the entrance and not in a particularly sensitive spot. I'm aware that you don't want people wandering around off the trail, especially in a frequently visited area.

 

Getting off on the wrong foot. I hate it when that happens.

 

- Erik

[BassoonPilot]

Well, the original post had been removed by the time I posted this, but I don't see a problem with placing an actual cache 300 feet from a virtual, unless visiting the actual cache would cause damage to a sensitive area. It looks like this is a matter that could have better been handled through e-mail.

[GeoStars]

How close *IS* too close? I've thought of placing a cache in a park that already has one. I like the park and it's close enough that I could check on it regularly. The place I'm thinking of would be several miles from the first if one is following the trails. I'm not sure of the crow-miles distance but I'm sure it wouldn't be measured in feet. I'm new to this sport and didn't know if placing a second cache in a park already containing one would be rude. Should I contact the original cache-owner first? Thanks in advance for any thoughts on this.

 

Hoosiermom - team leader of GeoStars

[+travisl]

My personal guideline is that ''too close'' would be a pair of caches that a lazy geocacher could hit without returning to their car. Depending on the topography of the area, this could be anywhere from a couple hundred feet to a mile or more.

 

If, using the above criteria, I still want to place a cache in a park that already has a cache in it, I'd check with the owner of the pre-existing cache to see if they minded. I'd expect them to say yes, and would be surprised if they didn't, but it's the courteous thing to do.

[+makaio]

My cache, placed last September...

 

http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=7270

 

and this one placed in February approximately 800 feet away placed by someone up here on vacation...

 

http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=15368

 

I assume they didn't bother to check whether or not any caches already existed nearby. I was going to inform the owner but figured they aen't about to come back to move/remove it and as they are both at a highway rest area, it's not really a big deal. It just provides two caches for travellers to find/log along the way.

 

[+Rich in NEPA]

Here in NEPA we have a small local State Park comprising a mere 1400 acres, 200 of which is a lake, and it currently holds four Geocaches that are essentially spaced out in different corners.

 

Lee Hill Cache

Cozy Squirrel Lookout

Riddler's Revenge

Hemlock Woods Cache

 

Although it's possible to visit all of them from the same parking spot, it would require hiking 6 to 8 or more miles over hilly terrain. But, for as close as they all may seem to each other, I believe this particular Park can reasonably sustain perhaps two more caches, and still allow enough separation to keep them challenging.

 

So, come and visit NEPA, and check out a fine variety of Geocaches!!! We've got several dozen within a 20-mile radius.

 

~Rich in NEPA~

 

 

=== A man with a GPS receiver knows where he is; a man with two GPS receivers is never sure. ===

[+Bluespreacher]

quote:

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Originally posted by Rich in NEPA:

Here in NEPA we have a small local State Park comprising a mere 1400 acres, 200 of which is a lake, and it currently holds four Geocaches that are essentially spaced out in different corners.

 

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Although it's possible to visit all of them from the same parking spot, it would require hiking 6 to 8 or more miles over hilly terrain. But, for as close as they all may seem to each other, I believe this particular Park can reasonably sustain perhaps two more caches, and still allow enough separation to keep them challenging.

 

_~Rich in NEPA~_

 

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Rich,

Here in the Indy area there are several parks like you describe. Some of our State Parks are relatively small. It's not unusual, though, to find 3 or 4 caches in some of these. I think this is a good thing. It's fun to park the car, and make a day hike out of it.

 

I do think it's important to try to space caches out. How close is too close? Let's just say that caches should be in noticable different areas.

 

Bluespreacher

[tenami]

I scouted an area, found a great spot for a cache, then had my buddy go and see if he could find the spot. As I was preparing to log the cache, I checked to see if there were others in the area (OK, I should have done that first, but I kind of stumbled onto the area). There was one only .2 miles away. So, my buddy and I went to find it. I didn't think it was hidden well, the difficulty stars were suspect, and there was some stuff in it that I thought was inappropriate.

 

To be fair, I don't think the original cacher put that stuff in there. It just wasn't in a difficult enough spot, based on the people who frequented the area. (Hidden low, near "party" area, through which you must go to get to the good terrain.)

 

I told the cacher about the contents we found, so he could remedy the fact.

 

However, should I just wait to see if he removes it and archives it, and wait for the spot to open up? It is an absolutely fabulous location where people should go to see spectacular scenery.

 

I'd appreciate your thoughts...

[+Bluespreacher]

quote:

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Originally posted by tenami:

I scouted an area, found a great spot for a cache, then had my buddy go and see if he could find the spot. As I was preparing to log the cache, I checked to see if there were others in the area (OK, I should have done that first, but I kind of stumbled onto the area). There was one only .2 miles away.

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I'd appreciate your thoughts...

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tenami,

 

.2 miles is pretty close. Of course, I don't know the area, so it's hard to say. Is it a unique area, or just another place just like the other one? That might make a difference. I think the quality is an issue, too. It might be good to hide a really good cache nearby so new cachers get to see how it's supposed to be.

 

Obviously, there are no rules on this. I bet you've got enough common sense to do what is right.

 

Bluespreacher

[Greg Nelson]

I've had a cache hidden in a nature reserve for about 6 months now. A month or so ago, *two* caches were hidden less than 1/4 mile away in the same area.

 

Did that bother me? Heck, no! If anything, that makes people MORE likely to visit my cache.

 

Another nearby park also has multiple caches. I've found it to be a great way to show the sport off to newcomers. Once they've found the first one, they always want to go do another one. It's that much easier when you don't have to get in the car and drive for 30 minutes to get to that "next one".

 

Recently, I placed a cache in an area I found while hunting for a pre-existing cache. It's not quite the same situation, as you can't readily get from A to B in the park on foot, and can't do it at all by car (as I found out during the original hunt), but I haven't received any complaints, and didn't feel any need to ask permission to place my new cache.

 

If you ask me, as long as the caches are far enough apart that one won't be confused for the other (maybe 500 feet?), that should be kosher.

[+JeeperJohn]

I think it is great when there are multiple caches in an area as long as each cache has its own uniqueness. For me it makes for a more enjoyable experience especially when I am with others, we can each take turns leading the way to the next cache.

[+Jamie Z]

Uh Oh Pote, looks like you violated the Yrium Rule at Happy New Year. May Leatherface haunt you forever!

 

Jamie

[Jake.Hazelip]

Y'all should see all the caches that are in and around Tom Brown park here in Tallahassee. If there's room for the grass to grow, there's room for another cache.

 

You people do realize that there are far more important things in life over which to worry, right?

[GeoStars]

I've decided I will go ahead with my cache but will contact the owner of the other cache in the park first just to avoid any hard feelings. If he/she has a major problem with it, I'll find another spot. I don't think it'll be a problem, however, since we're talking a couple of miles apart and the new one will have a much longer hike involved. I'm also thinking I'll make it a themed cache just to add some variety. Thanks again for the feedback. I'm hoping to see geocaching expand in this area and don't want to start out on a bad note.

[Greg Nelson]

Ya know that park I mentioned with 3 caches in it? Well, someone has added a fourth, only 0.02 miles from another cache. Even *I* think that's too close.

 

http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=17676

 

http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=15132

[King Pellinore]

methinks that the tudes for the second cache should be different enough from the first. If you can stumble across one looking for the other that's way too close. But beyond that initial measure... [bR] In heraldry, there is a litmus test which is applied called 'degree of difference'. If the picture is the same, the color has to be different etc. It's way more complicated than I want to get into here but the idea is applicable. If the caches are close in physical proximity (distance) then they ought to be very different in other characteristics (physical/virtual, easy/difficult, micro/large etc) in order to maintain balance.

 

King Pellinore

[+Web-ling]

Possum QuestN 32° 52.842 W 098° 28.731

 

Johnson's PeakN 32° 52.840 W 098° 28.730

 

How far is this? Maybe 20 feet?

 

[+Web-ling]

Depending on the type of cache, I sort of like them close together. Especially when caching easier ones with small kids. However, with harder caches, it sort of takes the wind out of their sails to be too close.