JOMARAC5 ADMITS TO BEING CAPTAIN URCHIN

1.6k · October 5, 2003

Jomarac5 just phoned me and woke me up this morning, and finally admitted to me that he is Captain Urchin.

This is apparently no surprise to geocaching.com

He also says that eleven Vanouver area cachers are taking part in the activities of Captain Urchin, which by all accounts, are supposed to be friendly.

What folks need to realize, is that these activities provide some pretty good cover for those who are actually STEALING the Vancouver area caches in their entirety. As someone on p#####caching.com notes:

quote:
But aaarrr Capt' Urchin, ye made the rules, but we be pirates an we doesnt have rules. ye opend yer pandoras box an now we be stealin it.

I was not going to start another thread at this time, but Jomarac5 insists that I am the one who is off base. He is the one who is angry apparently, that I won't leave this issue alone.

He claims that he couldn't be truthful about Captain Urchin in the 'early stages' of getting this great idea off the ground. That was why when I phoned him after finding that Vancouver Transit had been 'played' with he claimed ignorance and surprise. (All the meanwhile expecting that I would plaster this on gc.com for him...)

I do NOT claim that the Captain Urchin conspirators are stealing the Vancouver area caches as of late that are being taken in their entirety. Nor do I claim that they have a direct hand in running p#####caching.com.

However, Captain Urchin appears on p#####caching.com with regularity, and as well, cache pages within the Vancouver area displaying the 'pirate zone' logo originally linked to p#####caching.com.

1.4k · October 5, 2003

Well this has to be the funniest post of the day.

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1.4k · October 5, 2003

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8.5k · October 5, 2003

RK posted this on the G&G thread. It really belongs here:

Renegade Knight

Agent Provocateur

posted October 02, 2003 11:40 AM

Galliant seeng all the fun being had by pirates, gets a Marquee and becomes a Privateer.

Goofus not having time for all that crap steals a ship and launches his career on the high seas.

The Spanish Fleet can't tell the difference between the two and guns them both down. Galliant holds up his Marqee "but I had permission" were his last words. Goofus merely says to the captain "yer daughter is carrying me son" As he fades to black, the smile never leaves his face.

Sngans

Sacred cows make the best hamburger....Mark Twain.

October 5, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by canadazuuk:
He also says that eleven Vanouver area cachers are taking part in the activities of Captain Urchin, which by all accounts, are supposed to be friendly.

I don't understand this. You mean he admitted to been "1/11th" of Captain Urchin then, correct?

1.6k · October 5, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by RobertM:
I don't understand this. You mean he admitted to been "1/11th" of Captain Urchin then, correct?

Jomarac5 stated that eleven cachers were involved with the Captain Urchin concept in Vancouver. I had previously heard reports of twelve, so you'd better go find out which one's Judas.

October 5, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by canadazuuk:
Jomarac5 stated that eleven cachers were involved with the Captain Urchin concept in Vancouver. I had previously heard reports of twelve, so you'd better go find out which one's Judas.

But this is the whole point. He, Jomarac5, can't be Captain Urchin if you say this Captain Urchin consists of 11 (or now 12?) people. He can only claim to be 1/11th (or now 1/12th) of Captain Urchin. If he was Captain Urchin then it would only consist of 1 person, not 11 (or 12).

8.5k · October 5, 2003

Oh, and I agree with J5 that this issue should be allowed to die. It only feeds the egos of pirates. My outspoken views against pirates got one of my caches raided. It's not worth it to keep the subject alive.

ADVICE:

Any mention of pirate activity should be deleted from cache pages. Ask the posters to log another entry as if nothing happened.

Contact Groundspeak QUIETLY and let them know what happened.

DON'T POST any more ego feeding threads.

Many of my new caches will be off-set with bogus coords. To exercise more control, I will give the correct coords to people wishing to seek them.

Lastly, DON'T post anything that will turn their attention to YOU.

Sngans

Sacred cows make the best hamburger....Mark Twain.

1.4k · October 5, 2003

Then again, Captain Urchin might be 15 people. Or 20. It's all such a mystery.

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1.4k · October 5, 2003

quote:
Snoogans wrote:
Oh, and I agree with J5 that this issue should be allowed to die.

Aye. Good advice.

But the part about deleting posts could create some heated debate though.

*****

1.6k · October 5, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Snoogans:
ADVICE:

Many of my new caches will be off-set with bogus coords. To exercise more control, I will give the correct coords to people wishing to seek them.

I have new caches awaiting approval that are exactly as you describe above. The approvers are conversing about them prior to approval. This idea may or may not be accepted.

As for remaining quiet about this issue, enough is enough. Geocaching.com has not stated to me that the activities of Captain Urchin are permissible on the site.

Jeremy has said there are no good pirates.

Jomarac5 has misled some Vancouver area cachers.

Let's get this out, get it resolved, and THEN move on.

1.6k · October 5, 2003

To Jomarac5 and RobertM:

I am not going to engage in debating semantics.

October 5, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Jomarac5:
Then again, Captain Urchin might be 15 people. Or 20. It's all such a mystery.

Naybe one of that 11,12,15, or 20 who does not care for his own caches being plundered against the "rules" will post here and clear things up once and for all?

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Personal slave of The Frog.

1.4k · October 5, 2003

quote:
NJ Admin wrote:
Naybe one of that 11,12,15, or 20 who does not care for his own caches being plundered against the "rules" will post here and clear things up once and for all?

What *rules* would you be referring to?

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24.7k · October 5, 2003

Cat's out of the bag. Now people can quit speculating.

The entire urchin experiment had mixed results. The urchin logo giving permission solved the problem but might take the fun out of it for most.

The Urchin saga was a geocaching experiment done by geocachers in order to try to grow the sport. These creative variations need to happen. Some will turn south. If they do fess up, appologize and move on. Every now and then someone will hit a home run and the sport will be better off for it.

1.6k · October 5, 2003

Well, it got the publicity it sought.

1) The most popular cache in Vancouver is pirated. Vancouver Transit is on about 60 people's watch lists.

2) By chance or purpose, a most prolific cacher finds it, and happens to take it to it's owner, not even aware that it has been pirated.

3) Prolific cacher phones up a person (who later admits to being involved in the concept). This person feigns surprise about the issue, and suggests Prolific cacher post some pictures onto gc.com

From there, you already know the most of the rest of the story...

1.4k · October 5, 2003

quote:
Renegade Knight wrote:
Cat's out of the bag. Now people can quit speculating.

Really? Just because the good Captain Urchin has been somewhat exposed, the real problem with the US caches that are being stolen still exists. Perhaps your cat is not out of the bag as much as you'd like people to believe?

Perhaps you have some insight that you're not sharing about the New Jersey pirate and other pirates who are STEALING caches?

*****

8.5k · October 5, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Jomarac5:

quote:
Renegade Knight wrote:
Cat's out of the bag. Now people can quit speculating.

Really? Just because the good Captain Urchin has been somewhat exposed, the real problem with the US caches that are being stolen still exists. Perhaps your cat is not out of the bag as much as you'd like people to believe?

Perhaps you have some insight that you're not sharing about the New Jersey pirate and other pirates who are STEALING caches?

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Before this turns into a real stink festival and gets locked, I would like share something that I posted on my local site.

I think that this could be a possible solution.

Posted - 10/05/2003 : 2:25:38 PM

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In the sentiment of my last post. I would like to propose an amnesty for our trouble makers and invite them to join us at any upcoming event. You know who YOU are. Most of us don't and the ones that do are the forgiving kind. No apologies are necessary in my case.

Here is the link for the full discussion.

Sngans

Sacred cows make the best hamburger....Mark Twain.

October 5, 2003

Well, I went home with the waitress

The way I always do

How was I to know

She was with the Russians, too

4.1k · October 5, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Renegade Knight:
Cat's out of the bag. Now people can quit speculating.

The entire urchin experiment had mixed results. The urchin logo giving permission solved the problem but might take the fun out of it for most.

The Urchin saga was a geocaching experiment done by geocachers in order to try to grow the sport. These creative variations need to happen. Some will turn south. If they do fess up, appologize and move on. Every now and then someone will hit a home run and the sport will be better off for it.

I offer this for your edification.

Team caches, that must be placed by teams of 2 or more Geocaching accounts and can only be logged by teams of 2 or more Geocaching accounts. For example team RK & canadazuuk get together and place cache 'team 1'. then team 2oldfarts & woodster get together and search for cache 'team 1'. Only by working in teams can a find be logged. If woodster goes out on his own and finds the cache and the oldfarts go out on their own and find the cache, it will not count.

Something for the Geocaching community to consider to get more cachers playing together.

John

*******************************************************

It's hard to remember that your primary objective is to drain the swamp, when you're up to your a$$ in alligators.

October 5, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by canadazuuk:

quote:
Originally posted by Snoogans:
ADVICE:

Many of my new caches will be off-set with bogus coords. To exercise more control, I will give the correct coords to people wishing to seek them.

I have new caches awaiting approval that are exactly as you describe above. The approvers are conversing about them prior to approval. This idea may or may not be accepted.

Interesting knee-jerk. So much for the many cachers that go caching on the spur of the moment with Pocket Queries in hand.

IMHO, caches that require explicit permission from the cache owner to visit smack of elitism and and fly in the face of the spirit of geocaching. Given that you are such a stickler for the GC rules of geocaching, are you certain that this new version of geocaching that you are proposing falls within the rules?

Out of curiosity, what would be your criteria for deciding whether someone is worthy of recieving the correct coordinates for your caches? Will they need to provide references or fill out an application form? Or will they need to meet you in the middle of the night in your employer's parking lot to recieve the coordinates in person?

And how do you insure that the top-secret correct coordinates aren't shared by a "judas"?

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Gorak

October 5, 2003

From Seekerbc's "Monster Garage" thread that was hijacked:

quote:
Originally posted by canadazuuk:
Caches _ARE_ going missing in their entirety. Contents, logbook, and the container.

The lady doth protest too much, methinks - Gertrude from Shakespeare's Hamlet

You seem to have a lot of inside information about these thefts. Seems like the tail wagging the dog to me...

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Gorak

October 5, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by 2oldfarts (the rockhounders):
Team caches, that must be placed by teams of 2 or more Geocaching accounts and can only be logged by teams of 2 or more Geocaching accounts. For example team RK & canadazuuk get together and place cache 'team 1'. then team 2oldfarts & woodster get together and search for cache 'team 1'. Only by working in teams can a find be logged. If woodster goes out on his own and finds the cache and the oldfarts go out on their own and find the cache, it will not count.

Something for the Geocaching community to consider to get more cachers playing together.

IMHO team caches would achieve the exact opposite. It would not increase the numbers of cacher playing together, it would only limit the number of caches available to cachers who prefer to play alone or with their kids. It would also probably spawn a lot of sockpuppet accounts so those lone cachers can still play.

This idea, along with offset coordinates requiring cache-owners permission will only serve to make the game more elitist and reduce the available number of caches for the average cacher.

But then, maybe that's where some people want to take this game...

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Gorak

8.5k · October 5, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Gorak:

quote:
Originally posted by canadazuuk:

quote:
Originally posted by Snoogans:
ADVICE:

Many of my new caches will be off-set with bogus coords. To exercise more control, I will give the correct coords to people wishing to seek them.

I have new caches awaiting approval that are exactly as you describe above. The approvers are conversing about them prior to approval. This idea may or may not be accepted.

Interesting knee-jerk. So much for the many cachers that go caching on the spur of the moment with Pocket Queries in hand.

IMHO, caches that require explicit permission from the cache owner to visit smack of elitism and and fly in the face of the spirit of geocaching. Given that you are such a stickler for the GC rules of geocaching, are you certain that this new version of geocaching that you are proposing falls within the rules?

Out of curiosity, what would be your criteria for deciding whether someone is worthy of recieving the correct coordinates for your caches? Will they need to provide references or fill out an application form? Or will they need to meet you in the middle of the night in your employer's parking lot to recieve the coordinates in person?

And how do you insure that the top-secret correct coordinates aren't shared by a "judas"?

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Gorak

Thank you for your input. I'm happy to explore the negative aspects of my idea. I think that the discussion on my local site is almost too civil. The fact that it has occurred to others did not surprise me. In my area specific people are targeted. I think it's good for THOSE people to employ this techniqe until the problem goes away.

Did you follow my link? Did you read my solution? IT'S NOT HARD TO FIND OUR TROUBLE MAKERS. They are among us right now.

An amnesty and outpouring of good will while erasing the mention of their deeds will take their fun away and maybe convert a few from "The Dark Side."

BTW- FWIW some of the problems in my area may have come from a dispute over stats LAST YEAR! Go figure.

Sngans

Sacred cows make the best hamburger....Mark Twain.

October 5, 2003

Three words:

Members

Only

Caches

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I have never been lost. Been awful confused for a few days, but never lost!

N61.12.041 W149.43.734

8.5k · October 5, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Bilder:
Three words:

Members

Only

Caches

Have you been to the Pirate site? They ARE members.

Sngans

Sacred cows make the best hamburger....Mark Twain.

October 5, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Snoogans:
Thank you for your input. I'm happy to explore the negative aspects of my idea. I think that the discussion on my local site is almost too civil. The fact that it has occurred to others did not surprise me. In my area specific people are targeted. I think it's good for THOSE people to employ this techniqe until the problem goes away.

Did you follow my link? Did you read my solution? IT'S NOT HARD TO FIND OUR TROUBLE MAKERS. They are among us right now.

Actually, Snoogans, my comments were more in reply to Zuuk than to your original idea.

I understand the underlying motive for the idea, even if I dont' agree with it. And, yes, I did follow your link. If your solution is an amnesty for all evil-doers if they agree to play nicely, then with all due respect, I believe it may be a bit naive to believe that you will achieve the results you are expecting. But I salute you for looking for balanced, reasonable solutions to whatever local issues your geocaching community is facing and your group's ability to discuss them in rational and polite manner.

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Gorak

1.3k · October 5, 2003

Placing an MOC allows you to see everyone who has viewed the cache page. While this is certainly not hard evidence, the person responsible for plundering the cache would have to have either viewed the page personally, or been given the coords by someone who did. (Assuming it isn't a plundering by a muggle.)

I like the idea of MOC's having the audit log because it gives you an idea of who is looking at the page, and who might try to find it soon. The only reason I don't have any MOC's right now is I don't want to exclude anyone from being able to find them. Some people, (myself inluded) have made caches MO for a limited time, then changed them to regular caches. Unfortunately, you lose the audit log when you do this.

[This message was edited by Bloencustoms on March 32, 1999 at 25:60 PM]

1.6k · October 5, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Gorak:

IMHO, caches that require explicit permission from the cache owner to visit smack of elitism and and fly in the face of the spirit of geocaching. Given that you are such a stickler for the GC rules of geocaching, are you certain that this new version of geocaching that you are proposing falls within the rules?

Given that only certain local geocachers contacted to join with Captain Urchin, it's fair to say that your complaint falls within the realm of 'the pot calling the kettle black'.

An elite band of friendly pirates has struck the Vancouver area with their Trojan Horse, buying off supporters with a free lock & lock box...

1.6k · October 5, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Gorak:

You seem to have a lot of inside information about these thefts. Seems like the tail wagging the dog to me...

You shouldn't feel badly that you have been exposed as being involved in the pirate concept, since it is, after all, such a great idea.

Calling me names only adds points to my 'score'.

1.6k · October 5, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Bloencustoms:

Placing an MOC allows you to see everyone who has viewed the cache page.

Which is potentially useless, because you can run a PQ and get all the cache information without even visiting the page and leaving a trail.

Now here's some interesting information.

Cachers have been known to put 'secret' pictures on their profiles and cache pages, which load into the cache page viewers pc from a server the cache owner controls. This allows IP addresses to be harvested, and the IP logs can be matched up with e-mails from the gc.com bot to pinpoint IP addresses of specific cachers.

Cachers who view the cache pages and profiles of these users have no idea that they are being tracked and monitored. And all of this is done without any members only caches.

I will not name names, but I know some local cachers that do this, and have been doing this for quite some time. Some have reason, and some don't.

Who's paranoid?

Is the dog still wagging it's tail? Want another bone?

8.5k · October 5, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Bloencustoms:
Placing an MOC allows you to see everyone who has viewed the cache page. While this is certainly not hard evidence, the person responsible for plundering the cache would have to have either viewed the page personally, or been given the coords by someone who did. (Assuming it isn't a plundering by a muggle.)

I like the idea of MOC's having the audit log because it gives you an idea of who is looking at the page, and who might try to find it soon. The only reason I don't have any MOC's right now is I don't want to exclude anyone from being able to find them. Some people, (myself inluded) have made caches MO for a limited time, then changed them to regular caches. Unfortunately, you lose the audit log when you do this.

Audit logs??? I had no idea. Cool.

So much of what you said, I have already replied to on the other site:

I would give them to ANYONE who asks for them. I hate being exclusive even though I was never picked last in gym.

Honestly, I think that I may only employ this technique on 4 travel bug hotels that are currently sitting in my living room. I HAD planned to place them yesterday. News of my loss is very recent. I don't want other people's property leaving my hands and then going unaccounted for. It's embarrassing and it has already happened to me at both of my travel bug trade events and once with a good friend.

and this:

Make no mistake that SOME of our trouble makers ARE geocachers. A geocacher whom I, and many more, greatly respect said this to me, "I can't NOT log a cache that I have been to." (forgive the double negative he must have had a momentary lapse) That said. Our geocacher trouble maker(s) may have already logged the cache that they steal. Stats are important. Right?

Sngans

Sacred cows make the best hamburger....Mark Twain.

1.3k · October 5, 2003

Well, at least some of them aren't hiding the fact. There is a cacher that has your IP show up in his sig. line. It's a borderline taunt, if you ask me. And I know of at least one other, but am sure there are many more who do so. I might have to talk to one of my more computer savvy friends and begin the "arms race" and get my own IP harvester.

[This message was edited by Bloencustoms on March 32, 1999 at 25:60 PM]

October 5, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by canadazuuk:
You shouldn't feel badly that you have been exposed as being involved in the pirate concept, since it is, after all, such a great idea.

I can honestly say that I have never pirated or tampered with ANYONE'S cache. If you consider going paddling with J5 during a Cache Event or putting a "Pirate-Friendly" logo on my cache as being "involved", then I think you're casting a pretty wide net. Just because I am not opposed to what Urchin is doing does not make me one of his/their minions. I am definately not the "follower" type.

quote:
Calling me names only adds points to my 'score'.

Pease refresh my memory - what name did I call you? And what 'score' are you referring to?

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Gorak

October 5, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by canadazuuk:

quote:
Originally posted by Gorak:

IMHO, caches that require explicit permission from the cache owner to visit smack of elitism and and fly in the face of the spirit of geocaching. Given that you are such a stickler for the GC rules of geocaching, are you certain that this new version of geocaching that you are proposing falls within the rules?

Given that only certain local geocachers contacted to join with Captain Urchin, it's fair to say that your complaint falls within the realm of 'the pot calling the kettle black'.

Given that you sidestepped the question by accusing me of something, may I ask what specifically you are accusing me of and, more importantly, what evidence you base your accusation on?

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Gorak

8.5k · October 5, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by canadazuuk:

quote:
Originally posted by Bloencustoms:

Placing an MOC allows you to see everyone who has viewed the cache page.

_Now here's some interesting information._

Thanks Zuuk. I believe that I covered that with this: IT'S NOT HARD TO FIND OUR TROUBLE MAKERS.

Sngans

Sacred cows make the best hamburger....Mark Twain.

24.7k · October 5, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by canadazuuk:
...Cachers have been known to put 'secret' pictures on their profiles and cache pages, which load into the cache page viewers pc from a server the cache owner controls. This allows IP addresses to be harvested, and the IP logs can be matched up with e-mails from the gc.com ...

That probably explains the SPAM my NEW email address gets. dadgum SPAM Pirates.

8.5k · October 5, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Renegade Knight:

quote:
Originally posted by canadazuuk:
...Cachers have been known to put 'secret' pictures on their profiles and cache pages, which load into the cache page viewers pc from a server the cache owner controls. This allows IP addresses to be harvested, and the IP logs can be matched up with e-mails from the gc.com ...

That probably explains the SPAM my NEW email address gets.

I've had to say this before and I must now say this again, "Every time I think that I'm nearing the center of this particular onion, (geocaching) I find another layer."

Sngans

Sacred cows make the best hamburger....Mark Twain.

1.6k · October 5, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Gorak:

Given that you are such a stickler for the GC rules of geocaching, are you certain that this new version of geocaching that you are proposing falls within the rules?

I have submitted caches to the approvers and admins for review and discussion, and things will turn out based on a consensus of geocachers from many areas.

This is quite a different approach than the 'RAMMING IT DOWN OUR THROATS and misleading us' tactic employed elsewhere...

I agree Gorak, that there are disadvantages to sending coords out only upon request.

24.7k · October 5, 2003

Snoogans I read your thread on TX geocaching about offset coordinates and emails first and have to say. I'd rather see it go 100% MOC first.

8.5k · October 5, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Renegade Knight:
Snoogans I read your thread on TX geocaching about offset coordinates and emails first and have to say. I'd rather see it go 100% MOC first.

Thank you. I respect your opinion.

I would like to know what BrianSnat thinks about it as well.

Sngans

Sacred cows make the best hamburger....Mark Twain.

October 5, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by canadazuuk:
I have submitted caches to the approvers and admins for review and discussion, and things will turn out based on a consensus of geocachers from many areas.

I agree that is the best approach if you're wanting to list a cache that varies from the rules.

quote:
This is quite a different approach than the 'RAMMING IT DOWN OUR THROATS and misleading us' tactic employed elsewhere...

Not sure what you are referring to. How does someone 'ram it down our throats" if GC admins have to approve all caches first and have the power to edit or archive any caches that don't adhere to their policies?

quote:
I agree Gorak, that there are disadvantages to sending coords out only upon request.

Not least the lag-time between request and approval. I'm still interested to hear what your criteria for approval is and how you plan to weed out the 'undesirables'.

I also think that, if approved by GC, it will be abused by those that want to list caches that they want available only to their friends or to everyone except people they don't like or don't agree with them.

IMHO, caches like that should be listed somewhere else as private caches.

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Gorak

24.7k · October 5, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Jomarac5:
......Really? Just because the good Captain Urchin has been somewhat exposed, the real problem with the US caches that are being stolen still exists. Perhaps your cat is not out of the bag as much as you'd like people to believe?

Perhaps you have some insight that you're not sharing about the New Jersey pirate and other pirates who are STEALING caches?

*****

You caught me red handed. My buddy Jimmy Hoffa and I have worked out a pirate scheme. He has a knack for getting around unoticed.

The pocket change we plunder almost pays enough gas to idle the getaway car. I'm still working on a Pirate SWAT team. One to nab the caches of anyone who crosses me in the forums within 5 mintues or your money back.

1.6k · October 5, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Gorak:

I'm still interested to hear what your criteria for approval is and how you plan to weed out the 'undesirables'.

Perception is reality.

1.6k · October 5, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Gorak:

quote:
Originally posted by canadazuuk:

This is quite a different approach than the 'RAMMING IT DOWN OUR THROATS and misleading us' tactic employed elsewhere...

Not sure what you are referring to. How does someone 'ram it down our throats" if GC admins have to approve all caches first and have the power to edit or archive any caches that don't adhere to their policies?

We'd be rehashing the same pirate concept debate that has already been on these forums a week or more ago if I directly responded to this with support.

Suffice it to say that the pirate concept in Vancouver gets a C for creativity, and an F for presentation...

My throat still hurts.

8.5k · October 5, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by canadazuuk:

quote:
Originally posted by Gorak:

I'm still interested to hear what your criteria for approval is and how you plan to weed out the 'undesirables'.

Perception is reality.

Keep those coming Zuuk. The entertainment value is awesome. That's why I like you so much....Lol

Sngans

Sacred cows make the best hamburger....Mark Twain.

October 5, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by canadazuuk:
Perception is reality.

Deep. I think it more accurate to say, "Perception is reality for the perceiver". Perception rarely resembles reality.

Good sidestep.

BTW - Try Sucrets for your sore throat.

__________

Gorak

1.6k · October 5, 2003

And you perceived that I wanted to weed out 'undesirables'. So you and I are both correct. You more specifically so.

Check.

1.3k · October 5, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by canadazuuk:
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E?

[This message was edited by Bloencustoms on March 32, 1999 at 25:60 PM]

1.6k · October 5, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Bloencustoms:

quote:
Originally posted by canadazuuk:
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E?

[This message was edited by Bloencustoms on March 32, 1999 at 25:60 PM]

I like your signature. I thought I would try something of my own.

The dot was posted to make sure my post appeared directly below Gorak's.

As they say, think before you speak...

JOMARAC5 ADMITS TO BEING CAPTAIN URCHIN

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