+Brasgordel Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 (edited) Hello Can somebody help me whit a checker: North East South West As where you must have found, your most eastern cache east of the prime meridian, your most western cache west of the prime meridian, your most Northern cache north of the equator, and your most southern cache south of the equator. Thx Edited December 18, 2018 by Brasgordel Quote Link to comment
+Rikitan Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Hello, Project-gc.com has it's own dedicated forum for challenge cache checker requests. You'll get better and faster response there. Secondly, your idea doesn't fit with current guidelines for challenge caches. Conditions can be limited to geographic areas like countries, regions and counties only. If you'll have the checker created, it likely won't be published anyway.. Quote Link to comment
+funkymunkyzone Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 What exactly is your challenge idea? Seems to me anyone with 4+ cache finds has found their most northern, southern, eastern and western cache finds... 1 3 Quote Link to comment
+arisoft Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 50 minutes ago, funkymunkyzone said: What exactly is your challenge idea? cache east of the prime meridian, cache west of the prime meridian, cache north of the equator, cache south of the equator. These are geographical polygons (hemispheres) and not allowed as Rikitan explained. Quote Link to comment
+palmetto Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 (edited) If you want a checker for an existing published Challenge, something that predates April 2015 ( the rules in effect now would not allow hemispheres) go to the project gc checker forums, and ask there. In your request, offer the GC Code of the published cache, so writers understand that the challenge already exists. Help Center article on this, Challenge checkers For a current new challenge, a way to do this is to ask the seeker to have 1 find in each of 4 country lists, divided into NW NE SW SE (equivalent to the the hemispheres). Your cache page provides a complete list of countries, or geographic units as recognized by Geocaching.com, with each assigned to 1 of the 4 lists. You can see that complete list on a PQ form, or the Search page. This allows your challenge to be defined by units that are now allowed by the Challenge rules. The cache page would be long and not work quite the way you want; for any region that crosses the Prime Meridian or the Equator, you'd simply have to put it in one list or the other. I might have a find in Brazil north of the Equator, but likely, you'd assign it to your SW list, so that find would satisfy the SW section. This is how continent challenges are handled now. A complete list of all Geocaching.com geographic areas, assigned by the cache owner to a continent. And likewise, it's messy in some ways . Is a find in Turkey a find in Europe or Asia? Cache owner makes that decision, checker is supposed to match. Edited December 18, 2018 by palmetto 3 1 Quote Link to comment
+NYPaddleCacher Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 1 hour ago, arisoft said: cache east of the prime meridian, cache west of the prime meridian, cache north of the equator, cache south of the equator. These are geographical polygons (hemispheres) and not allowed as Rikitan explained. While the four caches would be in four hemispheres I would assume that the challenge would be that the total number of miles/kms would exceed some specified distance. The GS Statistics page calculates these distances. I don't know if this would pass but the challenge could be that the furthest N/S/E/W caches were in four different countries. I would easily qualify for that one as my furthest N/S/E/W are on four different continents (well, the furthest north is in Iceland). Quote Link to comment
+Gaslarm Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Something like this cache? https://coord.info/GC4RGNA Checker: https://project-gc.com/Challenges/GC4RGNA/16872 1 Quote Link to comment
+Brasgordel Posted December 19, 2018 Author Share Posted December 19, 2018 (edited) Gaslarm That is the one possibility but more like 1 cache Whith coördinaat starts whit N.... a cahce start whit S.... a cache starting .... .... ... E ............ and a cache starting ... ... ... W ............... THX Edited December 19, 2018 by Brasgordel Quote Link to comment
+arisoft Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 (edited) This is what you write into your cache description. See the example https://coord.info/GC4RGNA again. But remember, that reviewers will not publish this kind of challenges any more. If you have an existing challenge you can clone the checker for your cache. Edited December 19, 2018 by arisoft 3 Quote Link to comment
+Bear and Ragged Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 On 12/18/2018 at 9:59 AM, funkymunkyzone said: What exactly is your challenge idea? Seems to me anyone with 4+ cache finds has found their most northern, southern, eastern and western cache finds... Depending on any other requirements, I only need two cache finds... First cache is my furthest North, and furthest East. My second find is my furthest South, and furthest West. GSAK has a NSEW extreme as part of the Find Stats macro, and there is an extract to just show the extreme NSEW for a set of filtered caches. I do my Furthest NSEW cache in the UK for each year, and some years one cache will get two points. Quote Link to comment
+Gaslarm Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 5 hours ago, arisoft said: This is what you write into your cache description. See the example https://coord.info/GC4RGNA again. But remember, that reviewers will not publish this kind of challenges any more. If you have an existing challenge you can clone the checker for your cache. Why cant reviewers approve a challenge like this anymore? 1 Quote Link to comment
Keystone Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Because of the listing guideline changes for challenge caches in 2016. The hemispheres are "user defined" based on coordinates, which is no longer permitted. See Palmetto's response, above, for a design that complies with the current listing guidelines - a challenge based on permitted geographic regions (countries falling in each "quadrant" of the hemispheres). 2 Quote Link to comment
+NYPaddleCacher Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Keystone said: Because of the listing guideline changes for challenge caches in 2016. The hemispheres are "user defined" based on coordinates, which is no longer permitted. See Palmetto's response, above, for a design that complies with the current listing guidelines - a challenge based on permitted geographic regions (countries falling in each "quadrant" of the hemispheres). I hadn't read Palmetto's response at the time but I suggested the same thing regarding using "countries" within each quadrant. I kind of like that idea, and if I owned a challenge cache like that myself I'd probably gather some statistics in the logs and add something to the listing which displayed the more "popular" countries in each quadrant. It would be fun to create a challenge cache like that with a final location at a degree confluence (e.g. N 42.00 W 075.00) Quote Link to comment
+TheLimeCat Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 4 hours ago, Keystone said: Because of the listing guideline changes for challenge caches in 2016. The hemispheres are "user defined" based on coordinates, which is no longer permitted. See Palmetto's response, above, for a design that complies with the current listing guidelines - a challenge based on permitted geographic regions (countries falling in each "quadrant" of the hemispheres). Why is this no longer permitted? Maybe I haven't read deep enough into the whole challenge cache update, but this seems to be a very arbitrary rule. I know I am straying from the point, but these user-defined area challenges are some of my favorite to work for. In this case, this user is being forced to compile a list of countries in order to separate them into categories which will only very loosely fit the original intention, all to avoid defining four quadrants on a map which are already represented in the coordinate system of every geocache on earth. What problem is being avoided by creating these extra hurdles? 2 Quote Link to comment
+niraD Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 7 minutes ago, TheLimeCat said: Why is this no longer permitted? Apparently, Groundspeak decided that restricting location-based challenges to "countries, states/provinces, counties (or their local equivalent)" was a good idea. 7 minutes ago, TheLimeCat said: Maybe I haven't read deep enough into the whole challenge cache update, but this seems to be a very arbitrary rule. I know I am straying from the point, but these user-defined area challenges are some of my favorite to work for. In this case, this user is being forced to compile a list of countries in order to separate them into categories which will only very loosely fit the original intention, all to avoid defining four quadrants on a map which are already represented in the coordinate system of every geocache on earth. What problem is being avoided by creating these extra hurdles? You aren't the only one who thinks restricting location-based challenges in this way is silly. One of the few challenges I'm paying attention to is based on USGS quadrangles, which is banned by this same rule. Quote Link to comment
Keystone Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 15 minutes ago, TheLimeCat said: What problem is being avoided by creating these extra hurdles? Problems are avoided for challenge checker writers, for volunteer reviewers and for the appeals team at Geocaching HQ. The pre-moratorium challenge cache guidelines were strained to the breaking point. Rather than eliminating the category entirely, the post-moratorium guidelines restrict acceptable challenges in many ways, thereby lessening workload and dispute frequency (for both challenge cache owners and challenge cache finders). As a player who loves challenge caches (having found more than 200 of them), I don't like some of the restrictions, either, but I'd rather have "some" new challenge caches than "no" new challenge caches. As a reviewer, the restrictions help greatly in reducing stress with disputes, and reducing the time it takes to review challenge caches. 2 1 Quote Link to comment
+Lynx Humble Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 6 hours ago, niraD said: Apparently, Groundspeak decided that restricting location-based challenges to "countries, states/provinces, counties (or their local equivalent)" was a good idea. You aren't the only one who thinks restricting location-based challenges in this way is silly. One of the few challenges I'm paying attention to is based on USGS quadrangles, which is banned by this same rule. Me too I found it silly that a GPS-based game can't have challenge about long/lat coordinates. My favorite challenge this year was the Nova Scotian version of the Delorme challenge that wouldn't be allowed with the current guidelines... 1 Quote Link to comment
+Gaslarm Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 11 hours ago, Keystone said: Because of the listing guideline changes for challenge caches in 2016. The hemispheres are "user defined" based on coordinates, which is no longer permitted. See Palmetto's response, above, for a design that complies with the current listing guidelines - a challenge based on permitted geographic regions (countries falling in each "quadrant" of the hemispheres). Too bad. I like this type of challenge. Thanks for the info Keystone. 1 Quote Link to comment
+NYPaddleCacher Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 12 hours ago, niraD said: Apparently, Groundspeak decided that restricting location-based challenges to "countries, states/provinces, counties (or their local equivalent)" was a good idea. You aren't the only one who thinks restricting location-based challenges in this way is silly. One of the few challenges I'm paying attention to is based on USGS quadrangles, which is banned by this same rule. In the case of USGS quadrangles, global quadrants, or a polygon defined by coordinate confluences they are all available using published data from some authoritative source. Even polygons for zip codes or area codes come from some authoritative data source. User defined polygons are a different story as they could be completely arbitrary with an infinite number of possibilities. If it were me, I'd all some regions beyond countries, states/provinces and countries (or their equivalents) but only if the data was available from some list of authoritative sources, but would draw the line before user created polygons. 1 Quote Link to comment
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