+GlobalRat Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 Is this a YTD percentage? Assume Cachers is the number of unique cachers that have logged a find in the year? That tells us then that fewer cachers are finding more on a year on year comparison. Quote
+Danie Viljoen Posted September 21, 2017 Author Posted September 21, 2017 18 minutes ago, GlobalRat said: Is this a YTD percentage? Assume Cachers is the number of unique cachers that have logged a find in the year? That tells us then that fewer cachers are finding more on a year on year comparison. Project GC does not say if it is YTD or full year - I am assuming it is over similar periods, otherwise the results would be meaningless. Cachers is the number of cachers active in the country in a whole year. Not sure what "active" means, but I assume it means logging at least one cache in the country. See for example: https://project-gc.com/Statistics/Overview?country=Germany&submit=Filter 1 Quote
+GlobalRat Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 38 minutes ago, Danie Viljoen said: Project GC does not say if it is YTD or full year - I am assuming it is over similar periods, otherwise the results would be meaningless. Cachers is the number of cachers active in the country in a whole year. Not sure what "active" means, but I assume it means logging at least one cache in the country. See for example: https://project-gc.com/Statistics/Overview?country=Germany&submit=Filter They quote two figures One compares YTD 2017 with the same period in 2016 i.e. apples with apples The other compares the whole of 2016 with the "YTD of 2017" (a whole year vs YTD) i.e., apples with pears. The table in your previous post seems to list the latter, which is a very skewed view as one is comparing a YTD of 2017 against the whole of 2016. This seems to be the case for all the different stats except for Caches hidden, not sure where they get the "1626" figure from. 1 Quote
+Danie Viljoen Posted September 21, 2017 Author Posted September 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, GlobalRat said: They quote two figures Thanks for clarifying that! Quote
+GlobalRat Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 Same source, but using YTD 2016 compared to YTD 2017 The similar trend across most countries is quite amazing. Almost in all the number of finds are up by a fewer number of cachers doing the finding. 1 Quote
+Carbon Hunter Posted September 22, 2017 Posted September 22, 2017 From this table I see SA is at position 23 in the global enabled hides list. I seem to recall that in years gone by we were a little higher up the list (around 18 if I remember correctly). I have been scouring the old stats list (and apart from having a good giggle at some of the early stats - like being amazed at someone finding 24 Events in total - cowandchicken) - I could not find the list of countries - does anyone have access to the top countries by time? Quote
+Danie Viljoen Posted September 22, 2017 Author Posted September 22, 2017 11 minutes ago, Carbon Hunter said: From this table I see SA is at position 23 in the global enabled hides list. This is not the full list - we could even be lower. I am sure there must be a way to get the full list from Project GC, but I could not figure out how. Quote
+GlobalRat Posted September 22, 2017 Posted September 22, 2017 28 minutes ago, Carbon Hunter said: From this table I see SA is at position 23 in the global enabled hides list. I seem to recall that in years gone by we were a little higher up the list (around 18 if I remember correctly). I have been scouring the old stats list (and apart from having a good giggle at some of the early stats - like being amazed at someone finding 24 Events in total - cowandchicken) - I could not find the list of countries - does anyone have access to the top countries by time? I found an old spreadsheet on the forums which ranks the countries between 2007-2014. South Africa started at 16 in 2007 and slipped to 22 in 2014. 2 Quote
+GlobalRat Posted September 22, 2017 Posted September 22, 2017 (edited) We currently sit 23rd out of 247 countries that have caches as 2017-09-22. Edited September 22, 2017 by GlobalRat 1 Quote
+Enigma_DKL Posted September 23, 2017 Posted September 23, 2017 Thanks for the info Lets hope we can get better ... we have some beautiful locations in SA that are still crying for caches ... Im currently in discussion with an owner of land to place a batch of around 50 ... prepping containers at the moment 1 Quote
+Danie Viljoen Posted September 23, 2017 Author Posted September 23, 2017 Please show nos. 31 to 48 as well, please? Quote
+GlobalRat Posted September 27, 2017 Posted September 27, 2017 On 2017-09-23 at 11:04 AM, Danie Viljoen said: Please show nos. 31 to 48 as well, please? Not sure where they went, here you go Quote
+GlobalRat Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 (edited) Country Stats end Sept (Top 30 & Neighbours) Edited October 6, 2017 by GlobalRat 1 Quote
+Danie Viljoen Posted October 9, 2017 Author Posted October 9, 2017 Not directly caching related, but fascinating and surprising: Quote
+Danie Viljoen Posted October 10, 2017 Author Posted October 10, 2017 The majority of people live between N20 and N40, and only about 10% of all people live in the southern hemisphere. Quote
+GlobalRat Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 Country Stats Oct (Top 30 & Neighbours) We lost ground on Slovakia Quote
+ChrisDen Posted December 6, 2017 Posted December 6, 2017 The numbers are going to take a beating with all the Kranzkloof caches being archived Quote
+Danie Viljoen Posted January 4, 2018 Author Posted January 4, 2018 Starting tomorrow, I shall start with summary statistics for 2017. (I am just waiting for the last few late logs to trickle in.) 2 Quote
+Danie Viljoen Posted January 5, 2018 Author Posted January 5, 2018 2017 Statistics, part 1: New caches 2135 new caches were placed in South Africa during 2017, 29% fewer than in the previous year. 2 Quote
+Danie Viljoen Posted January 8, 2018 Author Posted January 8, 2018 2017 Statistics, part 2: Finds 165336 finds were logged in South Africa during 2017; 15% fewer than in the previous year. On average 453 finds per day, vs. 532 in 2016. 2 Quote
+Enigma_DKL Posted January 8, 2018 Posted January 8, 2018 Wow that is sad with the fewer placements and assuming increased archived with KKNR going cant be good are the active number of caches increasing or decreasing (total) Quote
+PieterM Posted January 8, 2018 Posted January 8, 2018 (edited) I predict it will get worse. Looking at the WC where I am from, cachers like to find caches and FTF's but are not prepared to give back. They like to find them but don't want to place them. Edited January 8, 2018 by PieterM New information 1 Quote
+ChrisDen Posted January 9, 2018 Posted January 9, 2018 (edited) Has SA not just reached saturation level? We are very active but we cannot get the number of unfound caches in SA below 10 000. In the major metro areas the are very few people that have found more than 60% of the caches. Edited January 9, 2018 by ChrisDen 1 Quote
+Danie Viljoen Posted January 10, 2018 Author Posted January 10, 2018 21 hours ago, ChrisDen said: Has SA not just reached saturation level? We are very active but we cannot get the number of unfound caches in SA below 10 000. It depends what you mean with saturation. There are parts of the world (especially in Germany and the USA) where the cache densities are much higher than here. In fact, there are still massive areas of South Africa without a single cache within tens of kilometers. As I have shown before, there is a strong correlation between the number of (active) cachers and the number of new caches that are placed. If we consistently want more new caches we need to grow the number of cachers. 1 Quote
+Danie Viljoen Posted January 10, 2018 Author Posted January 10, 2018 (edited) 2017 Statistics, part 3: Most found South African caches The following South African caches received the most find logs during 2017 1. GC31WXR Table Mountain Travel Bug Hotel CapeDoc Cape Town 269 finds 2. GCMYYZ Table Top Trove AndyT1 Cape Town 200 finds 3. GC6JCHV V&A Waterfront: Bay Vista SawaSawa Cape Town 171 finds 4. GC62NFH Birth of a gentle giant scubie999 Overberg 167 finds 5. GC37VF3 Tip of Africa Zephyr2 Overberg 162 finds 6. GC707WR Nobel Square 2.3 Andredj Cape Town 160 finds 7. GCVDHN Sailors' Star vespax Cape Town 146 finds 8. GC6ZB58 SAS Somerset krazikatz Cape Town 127 finds 9. GC2CG7X Hiddingh Security TB Hotel mr panda Cape Town 124 finds 10. GC77E Cape Agulhas Peter Scholtz Overberg 119 finds These 10 caches are all in the Western Cape. The first non-West Cape cache is no. 18, GC19QVQ Three Rondavels, in Mpumalanga, with 94 finds. Edited January 10, 2018 by Danie Viljoen 1 Quote
+ChrisDen Posted January 10, 2018 Posted January 10, 2018 Saturated as in caches per active cachers. Not physical saturation on the ground. Cachers/Sq km compares with caches/Sq km 1 Quote
+ChrisDen Posted January 10, 2018 Posted January 10, 2018 10 hours ago, Danie Viljoen said: 2017 Statistics, part 3: Most found South African caches The following South African caches received the most find logs during 2017 1. GC31WXR Table Mountain Travel Bug Hotel CapeDoc Cape Town 269 finds 2. GCMYYZ Table Top Trove AndyT1 Cape Town 200 finds 3. GC6JCHV V&A Waterfront: Bay Vista SawaSawa Cape Town 171 finds 4. GC62NFH Birth of a gentle giant scubie999 Overberg 167 finds 5. GC37VF3 Tip of Africa Zephyr2 Overberg 162 finds 6. GC707WR Nobel Square 2.3 Andredj Cape Town 160 finds 7. GCVDHN Sailors' Star vespax Cape Town 146 finds 8. GC6ZB58 SAS Somerset krazikatz Cape Town 127 finds 9. GC2CG7X Hiddingh Security TB Hotel mr panda Cape Town 124 finds 10. GC77E Cape Agulhas Peter Scholtz Overberg 119 finds These 10 caches are all in the Western Cape. The first non-West Cape cache is no. 18, GC19QVQ Three Rondavels, in Mpumalanga, with 94 finds. Shows where the tourists go. I predict a swing when the Cape runs out of water Quote
+PieterM Posted January 10, 2018 Posted January 10, 2018 30 minutes ago, ChrisDen said: Saturated as in caches per active cachers. Not physical saturation on the ground. Cachers/Sq km compares with caches/Sq km There are active cachers with 2000 plus finds but only 5 or less hidden. The Karma score gives a good indication. 1 Quote
+Danie Viljoen Posted January 11, 2018 Author Posted January 11, 2018 14 hours ago, ChrisDen said: Saturated as in caches per active cachers. Not physical saturation on the ground. Cachers/Sq km compares with caches/Sq km If you look back to some of my older postings, you should find a graph of average number of new caches placed per cacher. I haven't looked at it recently, but I remember that it was remarkably constant over time; that is why I said that there is a strong correlation between the number of cachers and new caches. As PieterM said, there are always exceptions, but averaged over the total group, each cacher tends to place a constant number of caches per year. 1 Quote
+Danie Viljoen Posted January 11, 2018 Author Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) 2017 Statistics, part 4: Most new caches placed 2135 new caches were placed in South Africa during 2017. The following cachers placed the highest numbers: 1. PieterM: 72 2. Adventrevor: 66 3. iPajero: 65 4. BoazRuthFields: 53 5. FreekG: 51 6. SKATTIE@1: 46 7. QwikChek: 38 Panthera03: 38 9. GForceZA: 37 10. SawaSawa: 36 Almost a quarter of all the new caches were placed by these ten cachers! Edited January 11, 2018 by Danie Viljoen 1 Quote
+GlobalRat Posted January 11, 2018 Posted January 11, 2018 On 2018-01-08 at 7:49 PM, PieterM said: I predict it will get worse. Looking at the WC where I am from, cachers like to find caches and FTF's but are not prepared to give back. They like to find them but don't want to place them. Time will tell. I think however there is some truth to what PieterM has stated. Cache finding behavior is a large contributor to what happens to the cache population. CO's will lose interest in placing caches if people aren't interested in finding them (doesn't tick some statistical box) in the long term. Of course there are other factors at play and the usual warra warra of the glory days etc. but it does seem to be a common gripe on forums around the world. 1 Quote
+GlobalRat Posted January 11, 2018 Posted January 11, 2018 On 2018-01-10 at 8:32 AM, Danie Viljoen said: 2017 Statistics, part 3: Most found South African caches The following South African caches received the most find logs during 2017 1. GC31WXR Table Mountain Travel Bug Hotel CapeDoc Cape Town 269 finds 2. GCMYYZ Table Top Trove AndyT1 Cape Town 200 finds 3. GC6JCHV V&A Waterfront: Bay Vista SawaSawa Cape Town 171 finds 4. GC62NFH Birth of a gentle giant scubie999 Overberg 167 finds 5. GC37VF3 Tip of Africa Zephyr2 Overberg 162 finds 6. GC707WR Nobel Square 2.3 Andredj Cape Town 160 finds 7. GCVDHN Sailors' Star vespax Cape Town 146 finds 8. GC6ZB58 SAS Somerset krazikatz Cape Town 127 finds 9. GC2CG7X Hiddingh Security TB Hotel mr panda Cape Town 124 finds 10. GC77E Cape Agulhas Peter Scholtz Overberg 119 finds These 10 caches are all in the Western Cape. The first non-West Cape cache is no. 18, GC19QVQ Three Rondavels, in Mpumalanga, with 94 finds. I suspect there's a fairly high % of those finds that are by non-SA cachers.... 1 Quote
+GlobalRat Posted January 11, 2018 Posted January 11, 2018 On 2018-01-08 at 7:56 AM, Danie Viljoen said: 2017 Statistics, part 2: Finds 165336 finds were logged in South Africa during 2017; 15% fewer than in the previous year. On average 453 finds per day, vs. 532 in 2016. Quite a drop Quote
+Spesbona Posted January 11, 2018 Posted January 11, 2018 On 10/01/2018 at 8:32 AM, Danie Viljoen said: 2017 Statistics, part 3: Most found South African caches The following South African caches received the most find logs during 2017 1. GC31WXR Table Mountain Travel Bug Hotel CapeDoc Cape Town 269 finds 2. GCMYYZ Table Top Trove AndyT1 Cape Town 200 finds 3. GC6JCHV V&A Waterfront: Bay Vista SawaSawa Cape Town 171 finds 4. GC62NFH Birth of a gentle giant scubie999 Overberg 167 finds 5. GC37VF3 Tip of Africa Zephyr2 Overberg 162 finds 6. GC707WR Nobel Square 2.3 Andredj Cape Town 160 finds 7. GCVDHN Sailors' Star vespax Cape Town 146 finds 8. GC6ZB58 SAS Somerset krazikatz Cape Town 127 finds 9. GC2CG7X Hiddingh Security TB Hotel mr panda Cape Town 124 finds 10. GC77E Cape Agulhas Peter Scholtz Overberg 119 finds These 10 caches are all in the Western Cape. The first non-West Cape cache is no. 18, GC19QVQ Three Rondavels, in Mpumalanga, with 94 finds. Hi Danie. Love your stats. Just a quick question. If I count the found logs for 2017 on the cache listing I get well over 320 "Found it" logs. Am I missing something? 1. GC31WXR Table Mountain Travel Bug Hotel CapeDoc Cape Town 269 finds I have a feeling the negativity and fighting on social media in 2017 did not help things either. Keep up the great work. Quote
+GlobalRat Posted January 11, 2018 Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Spesbona said: Hi Danie. Love your stats. Just a quick question. If I count the found logs for 2017 on the cache listing I get well over 320 "Found it" logs. Am I missing something? 1. GC31WXR Table Mountain Travel Bug Hotel CapeDoc Cape Town 269 finds I have a feeling the negativity and fighting on social media in 2017 did not help things either. Keep up the great work. The API updates of cache logs don’t always update correctly if one does delta updates. Ran mine a few times on that cache and it wouldn’t perform the delta update correctly. Only when I ran a total refresh of all cache logs for the cache did it tie up to what is listed on the GC site. Currently I get 327 finds for 2017 out of a total 354 logs, and that’s because i’ve just run an update. It’s difficult and a very timeous process to keep the logs in sync unfortunately. So depends on when Danie last did an update, late logs by cachers etc. can also play havoc so the number can change. Have seen some cachers do logs over 6 months after finding a cache. Edited January 11, 2018 by GlobalRat 1 Quote
+Danie Viljoen Posted January 11, 2018 Author Posted January 11, 2018 1 hour ago, GlobalRat said: The API updates of cache logs don’t always update correctly if one does delta updates. Ran mine a few times on that cache and it wouldn’t perform the delta update correctly. Only when I ran a total refresh of all cache logs for the cache did it tie up to what is listed on the GC site. This is a bummer - I just ran "Get recent logs" (All logs) AND refreshed the cache data, and I gained only one find log. There should indeed be 327 - I counted them manually. It looks as if I shall have to delete all my logs and start fresh... Quote
+AdieA Posted January 12, 2018 Posted January 12, 2018 Love the stats Danie. Thank you for your effort. Quote
+ChrisDen Posted January 12, 2018 Posted January 12, 2018 Do you not have to select log 1 to 9999 to get them all? Quote
+GlobalRat Posted January 12, 2018 Posted January 12, 2018 7 hours ago, ChrisDen said: Do you not have to select log 1 to 9999 to get them all? Yep Quote
+Danie Viljoen Posted January 23, 2018 Author Posted January 23, 2018 2017 Statistics, part 2: Finds (corrected) I re-downloaded my whole African database, and now the numbers for 2017 look even worse. There was a drop of 30% in the number of caches found in South Africa during 2017. I included the number 2 and 3 African countries in this graph - the Canary Islands surpassed South Africa for the first time during June 2017. (Mostly European tourists.) 1 Quote
+FireflyAfrica Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 I don't hang out on the forum much and don't think I've ever commented. My 5c worth on the drop in caches logged and placed. From a personal point of view, 2017 was hectic. I literally had times when I was starting to show withdrawals, but just didn't always have time to cache. Work was busier, kids getting bigger so have more sports on weekends, the easy unfound park and grabs have become less and so on. I know there are a few other PE cachers who have said the same kind of thing. As for placing caches, the busier one's life gets the less time you also have to do maintenance. I would never encourage somebody to just get out there and place caches for the sake of placing them, no matter how good their hides. Especially if they're not experienced CO's who realise how much time doing maintenance could take if your caches aren't all park and grabs. And even then. I've seen some experienced CO's who have caches deactivated for way too long because they just don't have time and forget about them. I've got to be honest that I'm guilty there as well. And then lastly. I think we all need to be encouraged to get more newbies caching. Because if we don't our older caches will get less and less finds and then only by visitors and not locals as they will all have done them at some stage or another. Think I'll do this again some time. ;-) 2 Quote
+Danie Viljoen Posted January 24, 2018 Author Posted January 24, 2018 (edited) 2017 Statistics, part 3: Most found South African caches (corrected) The following South African caches had the most finds during 2017: 1. GC31WXR Table Mountain Travel Bug Hotel CapeDoc 328 finds 2. GCMYYZ Table Top Trove AndyT1 224 finds 3. GC707WR Nobel Square 2.3 Andredj 195 finds 4. GC62NFH Birth of a gentle giant scubie999 190 finds 5. GC6JCHV V&A Waterfront: Bay Vista SawaSawa 184 finds 6. GC37VF3 Tip of Africa Zephyr2 173 finds 7. GCVDHN Sailors' Star vespax 162 finds 8. GC6ZB58 SAS Somerset krazikatz 133 finds 9. GC2CG7X Hiddingh Security TB Hotel mr panda 131 finds 10. GC77E Cape Agulhas Peter Scholtz 123 finds The first non-Western Cape cache is GC19QVQ Three Rondavels, owned by CrystalFairy in Mpumalanga, with 98 finds for the year. If one looks at the whole of Africa, Madeira and the Canary Islands dominate: 1. GC6BK02 CR7 Madeira 1131 finds 2. GC6Z01C Puerto de Mogán - Between the old and the new Canary Islands 820 finds 3. GC4QQD3 Horizonte Canary Islands 804 finds 4. GC1QB6K Palm Beach Canary Islands 741 finds 5. GC6Z00Q Puerto de Mogán - Parking Canary Islands 722 finds 6. GC1G6MP Vista dunas-View dunes-Aussicht Dünen Canary Islands 711 finds 7. GC6AAJR Boardwalk 3 Canary Islands 688 finds 8. GC31AT3 Christoph Columbus 1502 A.D. Canary Islands 633 finds 9. GC6Z015 Puerto de Mogán - "Boatparking" Canary Islands 618 finds 10. GC6FM0H C.I.T.O.-CacheBox - Dunes of Maspalomas Canary Islands 616 finds 58. GC6KAP6 Al Baraka Morocco 365 finds 73. GC31WXR Table Mountain Travel Bug Hotel South Africa 328 finds Edited January 24, 2018 by Danie Viljoen 2 Quote
+Danie Viljoen Posted January 25, 2018 Author Posted January 25, 2018 2017 Statistics, part 4: Finds per province First the four big provinces, followed by the rest. (The only province that has not shown a decline is the Northern Cape.) The last graph shows the big four as a percentage of the total of the whole country. 1 Quote
+Danie Viljoen Posted January 26, 2018 Author Posted January 26, 2018 Finds per province, over all time Gauteng, the Western Cape, Eastern Cape and Free State got 84.5% of all the finds. 1 Quote
+Spesbona Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 Hi Danie. Thanks for all the effort and redoing the stats. It seems the Eastern Cape was not as bad hit as some of the other provinces on the finds side. The planting of caches might be another story. 2 Quote
+Danie Viljoen Posted January 29, 2018 Author Posted January 29, 2018 2017 Statistics, part 5: Most South African finds The top South African cache finders for 2017 are: 1. Geelvink 2158 2. pieterix 1597 3. L S N 1454 4. tjoklits 1353 5. divmango 1341 6. iPajero 1319 7. ChrisDen 938 8. PieterM 903 9. terunkie 836 10. Archipelagian 823 n00n00 823 12. GorNat 800 13. SKATTIE@1 780 14. Panters 773 15. M²C²D 729 16. Andredj 714 17. cownchicken 695 18. GlobalRat 690 19. Evolutionaries 672 20. The Huskies 666 I don't think many people have logged more than 2000 finds in one year; I'll look into this later. 1 Quote
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