Puzzle Cache

[+artist2c]

I may be naive or not read well on the forum... but

 

Have puzzle caches been placed... 2 or more... with the same ending point.

 

In other words... 2 different beginning points... etc... with one cache (box) at the end to log the final find.

 

Each cache would have a question to be answered at one of the legs and e-mailed to be sure it was unique and not just signing the log for both finds w/o actually doing the other.

 

Thanks in advance for any answers or advice.

[+Arrow42]

I may be naive or not read well on the forum... but

 

Have puzzle caches been placed... 2 or more... with the same ending point.

 

In other words... 2 different beginning points... etc... with one cache (box) at the end to log the final find.

 

Each cache would have a question to be answered at one of the legs and e-mailed to be sure it was unique and not just signing the log for both finds w/o actually doing the other.

 

Thanks in advance for any answers or advice.

 

I think as a cache-finder I'd be annoyed to find out that I've found the same cache twice.

[+niraD]

Has it happened? Perhaps with old puzzle caches, hidden before cache owners had to enter the coordinates of the puzzle final.

 

But such placement would violate the current guidelines, both because the first cache blocks the placement of the second, and because the cache owner cannot require email (see the "Logging of All Physical Caches" section):

http://www.geocaching.com/about/guidelines.aspx

 

Although I've heard of a single puzzle cache that had more than one puzzle. Solving any of the puzzles gave the final coordinates, so you didn't have to solve them all.

[+Prime Suspect]

I may be naive or not read well on the forum... but

 

Have puzzle caches been placed... 2 or more... with the same ending point.

 

In other words... 2 different beginning points... etc... with one cache (box) at the end to log the final find.

 

Each cache would have a question to be answered at one of the legs and e-mailed to be sure it was unique and not just signing the log for both finds w/o actually doing the other.

 

Thanks in advance for any answers or advice.

A very confusing post. I can't tell if you're asking if it's ever been done, or if you're asking if you could do it. Please try writing in complete sentences in the future. You'll get more responses that way.

 

As for your question - maybe in the past it's been done. But it would not be allowed today, as there are system checks in place to prevent two caches with stages closer than the allowed distance. Also, requiring people to email after they made the find is also out. That's an Additional Logging Requirement, which are no longer recognized.

 

There have been single caches that can have more than one track to the final. Nothing wrong with that.

[+Wintonian]

Unless I'm missing something I don't see why you can't have 2 diffrent puzzles on the same cache page allowing the finder to choose which puzzle to solve.

[+briansnat]

Unless I'm missing something I don't see why you can't have 2 diffrent puzzles on the same cache page allowing the finder to choose which puzzle to solve.

 

Nothing preventing that. What isn't allowed would be two different cache pages with a common end.

[+artist2c]

A very confusing post. Please try writing in complete sentences in the future.

 

There have been single caches that can have more than one track to the final. Nothing wrong with that.

 

thanks for interpreting my "incomplete" sentences

 

could u please post examples of caches that have more than one track to follow

 

ty

[+Albanysquad]

Two separate puzzle caches can not have the same ending, because caches must be at least .1 miles (528 feet) apart.

[+niraD]

could u please post examples of caches that have more than one track to follow

It isn't quite what you're asking for, but UncleTom deliberately created GC1AG9K in a way that enables people to brute-force the location if they don't want to solve the puzzle.

[+Wintonian]

Unless I'm missing something I don't see why you can't have 2 diffrent puzzles on the same cache page allowing the finder to choose which puzzle to solve.

 

Nothing preventing that. What isn't allowed would be two different cache pages with a common end.

 

Yeh I got that, I was offering a possible workaround.

 

I am aslo assuming you can share the same wayponint btween multis/ puzzles - can these be physical containers?

[+niraD]

I am aslo assuming you can share the same wayponint btween multis/ puzzles - can these be physical containers?

No, they cannot both be physical stages.

 

Start with the saturation guidelines:

http://www.geocaching.com/about/guidelines.aspx#sat

 

The saturation guidelines apply to all physical stages. So two physical containers for two separate caches cannot be within 528ft (61m) of each other.

 

However, the saturation guidelines do not apply to virtual stages. For puzzle caches and multi-caches, that means that the saturation gudelines do not apply to "question to answer" locations (e.g., get information from an existing monument), to "reference point" locations (e.g., coordinates needed to solve a puzzle, but where nothing related to the cache actually exists), or to the "bogus" posted coordinates for a puzzle cache. These virtual stages can be closer than 528ft (61m) to each other, and can be closer than 528ft (61m) to the physical stages of other caches.

 

This Groundspeak knowledge base article has more info about the various types of additional waypoints:

http://support.Groundspeak.com/Support/ind...id=325\%22

 

Also, the saturation guidelines do not apply to stages within a single cache. Physical stages of a single cache can be closer than 528ft (61m) to each other. For example, I found a multi-cache where I could touch the first stage with one hand, while touching the final with the other. That's fine, and doesn't violate the saturation guidelines because they were part of a single cache.

[+Wintonian]

So two physical containers for two separate caches cannot be within 528ft (61m) of each other.

 

I understand the guidelines, I was thinking more about 2 cache pages made up of at lteast one physical container other than the final and these 2 cache pages shareing this "stage" container and having diffrent finals.

 

Does that make sense?

[+niraD]

So two physical containers for two separate caches cannot be within 528ft (61m) of each other.

I understand the guidelines, I was thinking more about 2 cache pages made up of at lteast one physical container other than the final and these 2 cache pages shareing this "stage" container and having diffrent finals.

 

Does that make sense?

Yes, it makes sense.

 

No, it is not allowed by the guidelines. Only one cache can have a physical container at any given location.

[+Zolgar]

So two physical containers for two separate caches cannot be within 528ft (61m) of each other.

I understand the guidelines, I was thinking more about 2 cache pages made up of at lteast one physical container other than the final and these 2 cache pages shareing this "stage" container and having diffrent finals.

 

Does that make sense?

Yes, it makes sense.

 

No, it is not allowed by the guidelines. Only one cache can have a physical container at any given location.

 

There is, however a workaround...

 

Geocache 1: Multi cache. Standard.

Geocache 2: Puzzle cache, expressing cache #1 has to be found to find this.

Alternatively you might be able to set cache #2 as an 'offset' multi, where you simply have to gain information from the posted coords. I think it would work, technically, but would be pushing it.

[+Wintonian]

So two physical containers for two separate caches cannot be within 528ft (61m) of each other.

I understand the guidelines, I was thinking more about 2 cache pages made up of at lteast one physical container other than the final and these 2 cache pages shareing this "stage" container and having diffrent finals.

 

Does that make sense?

Yes, it makes sense.

 

No, it is not allowed by the guidelines. Only one cache can have a physical container at any given location.

 

Just wasn't sure if this only applied to the final - guess not.

 

Oh well just tell pepole to look for a number on a road sign and put on the cache page: "by the way there is a cache (GCZ9Z9Z) magneticaly attched to the back.

 

Or could you ge away with writting a big number on your ammo box? and call it a vertiual waypont as you don't attualy have to open the box?

 

I little silly I know- but if you realy want to.

 

Edit: just though about all those "bounse" caches out there - the ones where you have to obtain the clues co-ords from inside the caches in a series to locate this "extra" cache, this does seem to contridict:

 

No, it is not allowed by the guidelines. Only one cache can have a physical container at any given location.

 

am I missing some diffrence here?

Edited June 17, 2009 by Hampshire_Hog

[+niraD]

Thanks, Zolgar. I had forgotten about the bonus cache option.

 

With a bonus cache, there is only one container, and it belongs to only the first cache. The container does, however, contain a clue that is used to find the bonus cache. The bonus cache is listed as a mystery/unknown cache, since you have to find the first cache to obtain its coordinates.

 

The bonus caches I've seen have been part of a series. The clues for its location were scattered among multiple traditional caches in the series.

[+Prime Suspect]

A very confusing post. Please try writing in complete sentences in the future.

 

There have been single caches that can have more than one track to the final. Nothing wrong with that.

 

thanks for interpreting my "incomplete" sentences

 

could u please post examples of caches that have more than one track to follow

 

ty

Texas High School Football Cache

[+Zolgar]

A very confusing post. Please try writing in complete sentences in the future.

 

There have been single caches that can have more than one track to the final. Nothing wrong with that.

 

thanks for interpreting my "incomplete" sentences

 

could u please post examples of caches that have more than one track to follow

 

ty

Texas High School Football Cache

 

I've been considering a cache that has 2 options to find it..

 

1: weird puzzle.

2: 3 or 4 "related" TBs, that you have to find all 4 of them (or at least et the information off of them), to get the coordinates.

 

Interesting the 4 TBs goals would all be to either get TO said cache, or stay away from it.