New cache page or change the coords?

[+crystalndave]

Dave and I placed a cache a few months back that has had a chronic problem of being removed. Its an easy micro in a cemetary (I know some people don't like them). We have relocated the cache about 150 feet away in hopes that people will leave it alone. Its a new container and log since the old one has been stolen (well actually we have one of the old containers because we found it in a different spot in the cemetary) so do we make a new cache page or change the old one? I looked but I couldn't find any thing in other forum posts.

[+Prime Suspect]

Dave and I placed a cache a few months back that has had a chronic problem of being removed. Its an easy micro in a cemetary (I know some people don't like them). We have relocated the cache about 150 feet away in hopes that people will leave it alone. Its a new container and log since the old one has been stolen (well actually we have one of the old containers because we found it in a different spot in the cemetary) so do we make a new cache page or change the old one? I looked but I couldn't find any thing in other forum posts.

If it's just 150' away, I'd just update the coordinates.

[+briansnat]

A move of 150 feet is borderline. If you think the hunt is significantly different and by that I mean the terrain, type of hiding spot, direction of approach, size of container, et. al., then it should be a new cache page.

 

If everything is basically the same then go with the old listing and update the coords.

[+John Wayne Pooch]

Dave and I placed a cache a few months back that has had a chronic problem of being removed. Its an easy micro in a cemetary (I know some people don't like them). We have relocated the cache about 150 feet away in hopes that people will leave it alone. Its a new container and log since the old one has been stolen (well actually we have one of the old containers because we found it in a different spot in the cemetary) so do we make a new cache page or change the old one? I looked but I couldn't find any thing in other forum posts.

i have checked to see what it says in the rules. but i would say the choice is yours. i made up a geocache and where i wanted to place it was to difficult to get permission. (long story) so i just made a different one. i used the existing one i just changed the coords and renamed it. the reviewer had no problem with it. i have seen where two geocachers with different geocaches remade their geocaches and just archived the old ones and remade them both. but i have also seen cachers who changed the coords and kept the one going.

 

i guess the choice is up to you on wether or not you want previous cachers to have to come back and claim a find on the new one. that can go either way. some one who has been there before for the original may think it was a nice enough place to make a return visit. while others may need that fix to have every cache in their area to have been found and those who want the numbers to be a high as they can be.

 

i'm one of those junkies who would want you to make a new one so i can have that one more number. not just the number itself but the fun of going out and using my $600 gps/pda for some thing more than work. even if it means going some where i have already been, especially if it's an easy to get to or a nice place to visit.

 

but i also so one recently that the owner placed it and posted the wrong coords. i logged a dnf and said it couldn't be the right coords because it put you in the median of the road. the owner checked and saw it was about 5 miles off. (they typed the wrong number some where) so they archived it remade a new oneexactly the same.

[Skippermark]

I had a micro get muggled, so I made a new one, the same type and everything and moved it a little away to a better location.

 

A couple weeks later, I had a regular size cache disappear and new the same type would just disappear again, so I changed it to a micro, moved it to a new location about 150-200 feet away and totally changed the type of hide. I got a note from our reviewer, who said in that case, since it's basically a whole new idea and hide, it's better to disable the original and create a new one. They also said it allows those that found the original an opportunity to find this new one now.

 

If it's the same basic hide, I would update the coordinates. You can ask your reviewer, though to see what they think.

[+niraD]

A couple other thoughts:

• Would the replacement cache and the revised description seem familiar to someone who found the original cache? The original is part of their geocaching history.
  
• Would someone who found the original cache need to search for the replacement cache in any meaningful way? Would they really need to "find it" again?
  

[+Kacky]

I've only been doing this for 6 months, but I've learned that quite a few people go in without reading the description or logs and don't bring it with them either. They know they're taking a risk, so they seem not to mind having to widen their search. But if it's a dangerous or off-limits spot, it would be best to archive and start over. We had that situation recently with a cache that was too close to wasp nests. EVERYONE went in on the old co-ords because the old co-ords load into the GPSr when you run your query.

[+Jhwk]

update the coords. doesn't seem to be that much of a move.

 

If you are having muggle trouble, you may want to make it an "offset" cache, where folks get to the site and then have to do some simple mental/mathematical gymnastics to find the final hiding spot.

[+steve_c]

...If you are having muggle trouble, you may want to make it an "offset" cache, where folks get to the site and then have to do some simple mental/mathematical gymnastics to find the final hiding spot.

I know a lot of people would call that simple offset a kind of multi-cache, but isn't it in fact a puzzle cache if there's anything more complex than the next set of coordinates at the intermediate steps?

[+Quiggle]

update the coords. doesn't seem to be that much of a move.

Correct.

 

If you are having muggle trouble, you may want to make it an "offset" cache, where folks get to the site and then have to do some simple mental/mathematical gymnastics to find the final hiding spot.

That's a different type of cache altogether. The cache owner would need to archive the listing and submit a new one.

[+StarBrand]

Depends on the new location. Is it the same basic hide info? Is it the same basic cache container? Is it a different terrain or challenge to locate? At only 150 feet and in the same cemetary I would be inclined to just update the coordinates.

[+crystalndave]

Ok, I changed the coords, seems like that was popular opinion and made the most sense! Thanks for your replies!