mscott998 Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 (edited) i placed a cache on the 3rd of july and was asked on the 6th a question about it. i answered the questions the approving official asked and didnt hear back on it, i asked the status on it again on the 10th and was told they would get to it when the got to it. i again asked on the 12 and said i would retrieve it if not going to be approved and again the person said when they feel like getting to it it would get approved, and now hasen't replied to last email. he said he was too busy but had enough time to approve one on the 12th that i placed on the 11th around 10 pm. he approved that one before 3 am on the 12th. what do i do? Edited July 14, 2004 by mscott998 Link to comment
Cachengrab Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Be happy you got one done if they are that busy. They are volunteers and rec. nothing short of grief sometimes. They will get to it when they get to it, other then that contact geocaching.com admin. Link to comment
+Nappy10 Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Keep in mind that Approvers are volunteers and have to balance the rules of placing a geocache with the wishes and intentions of the cache hider. Given that he did approve some others of yours, It leads me to believe that the cache in question didn't meet some criteria. When the approve said "he didnt have time," he probably meant to re-review the cache again. Would you mind posting the comments from the approver when he denied the cache? This might bring some more insight into the situation. Link to comment
mscott998 Posted July 14, 2004 Author Share Posted July 14, 2004 this spacefic person is very rude and is ignoring just this one and cant be too busy because he has approved other caches of mine since then. Link to comment
+Milbank Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 what do i do? Wait longer and post about it. Not sure what else you could do, sorry. Others will probly have more idea's. I have only 7 hidden. Two are ones that I just adopted. I could not be happier about the way the approvers have done there jobs. mtn-man is the best Link to comment
+Nappy10 Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 First, put yourself in their shoes. Sometimes, especially during the summer, they could have a million things to do at once. I know what its like to become frustrated and I am sure it is not any approvers intention to be rude. What were the comments when the cache approver archieved the cache? Link to comment
Cachengrab Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Yes but if the cache in question is borderline and may have a chance to get approved would you prefer that they deny it in haste? They need to read guidelines and maps for approvals they just do not go by gut instinct. Link to comment
+Mastifflover Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 When a cache has potential problems or if the approver has questions or doubts those caches get sent to the bottom of the pile. They will work on approving the no-brainers first and then when they have time will go back to the more difficult ones. As said previously please keep in mind that they are volunteers and believe it or not have lives other than geocaching. Link to comment
mscott998 Posted July 14, 2004 Author Share Posted July 14, 2004 (edited) this is what he asked, If someone signs the log why do they have to e-mail you???Thanks i replied that it was adifficult one and that it was the theme of the cache, hinse the name ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is a Micro cache. "Drop Me A Ring Sometime" [Click to temporarily disable] by mscott998 [profile] Cache Issues: This cache has not been approved yet. Once it is approved, it will be listed on the site. Check the logs to see if the reviewers have left a note for this listing. N 36° 14.312 W 115° 10.213 (WGS84) UTM: 11S E 664424 N 4011958 or convert to NAD27 at Jeeep.com Click icon to download: Read about waypoint downloads In Nevada, United States [view map] Hidden: 7/3/2004 Use waypoint: GCJWP7 (what's this?) Make this page print-friendly (no logs) Note:To use the services of geocaching.com, you must agree to the terms and conditions in our disclaimer. (ratings out of 5 stars. 1 is easiest, 5 is hardest) Difficulty: Terrain: Located in an area that is busy during the day, be very descreet. This cache is log only. Bring a pen. It is a small blue container. It has a small lock inside with some keychain rings in it. Email me with the number of rings enclosed to recieve credit. Please ensure that the lock and rings stay in the container when replaced. Edited July 14, 2004 by mscott998 Link to comment
mscott998 Posted July 14, 2004 Author Share Posted July 14, 2004 but this is not a dificult cache to approve, he thinks i am going to deny a find just because i asked to get an email with the number of rings enclosed, this is a log only cache. this is not the case, i have more fun with these my self other than just signing. Link to comment
Cachengrab Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 I can see the hesitation(sp) since I have done 2 caches where I needed to contact the owner for approval and I have not heard from hem yet. Going on 3 months now I think. Link to comment
mscott998 Posted July 14, 2004 Author Share Posted July 14, 2004 i have replied to and answered any and all questions the approver asked. Link to comment
+Nappy10 Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Is there a phyisical log book in the cache? Link to comment
mscott998 Posted July 14, 2004 Author Share Posted July 14, 2004 according to the site caches should be approved within 72 hours. Link to comment
+Mopar Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Where's the rude part? Email me with the number of rings enclosed to recieve credit. I'll ask the same thing: WHY? This isn't a virtual, if I find the cache and sign the log, I did in fact find it, even if I didn't count the rings. Sounds to me like you dont feel like maintaining this cache so this is your way to verify the logs without have to leave your monitor. Link to comment
mscott998 Posted July 14, 2004 Author Share Posted July 14, 2004 yes so the person can log in their name, not all people get to loging their find on the net. Link to comment
mscott998 Posted July 14, 2004 Author Share Posted July 14, 2004 he was rude in my emails he sent me Link to comment
mscott998 Posted July 14, 2004 Author Share Posted July 14, 2004 i have no problem maintaining the cache, this gives the cache meaning, i have another one like this that has been approve no problem Link to comment
+Mopar Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 yes so the person can log in their name, not all people get to loging their find on the net. English please? Link to comment
+Nappy10 Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 The only thing you can do is send an email to contact@geocaching.com, if you really want to persue this. I, personally, would cut my losses and be happy with the ones that I did get approved. You can sit it out for a while and re-submit a new report listing another day and explain all your intentions. Link to comment
mscott998 Posted July 14, 2004 Author Share Posted July 14, 2004 as in english yes there is a log! Link to comment
mscott998 Posted July 14, 2004 Author Share Posted July 14, 2004 (edited) should i rename it as simply boring cache, just sign me and leave! Edited July 14, 2004 by mscott998 Link to comment
+Mastifflover Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 I log all my finds online. If I were to find your cache and sign the log. Would you delete my find if I don't email you the number of rings? Link to comment
mscott998 Posted July 14, 2004 Author Share Posted July 14, 2004 no, but if you log it on line and your not on the physical log in the cache i would, i just wanted to make the hunt more fun. Link to comment
mscott998 Posted July 14, 2004 Author Share Posted July 14, 2004 (edited) i'm just agrivated on why this one has been set aside and my other have been approved Edited July 14, 2004 by mscott998 Link to comment
+Mopar Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Hmm, I mapped out the coords you posted, and dcypted the hint. Is this public property? I don't see a park or anything, maybe there are also some permission issues? I dunno if hiding a cache in front of a bank with security camera and stuff is such a hot idea. Link to comment
mscott998 Posted July 14, 2004 Author Share Posted July 14, 2004 (edited) it is near the bank, not infront of the bank, it is off of a public road not on the bank property. Edited July 14, 2004 by mscott998 Link to comment
+Nappy10 Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 I have read the guidelines and the only specific thing mentioned is this: A container with just an object or codeword for verification may NOT be approved if the cache does not also include a logbook. But, you have a log book. So I tend to agree with Mopar, there must be something else. Maybe its something to do with permission. Sometimes approvers can get really busy, buzz through the easy ones, and deny quickly ones that they know wont work. Link to comment
mscott998 Posted July 14, 2004 Author Share Posted July 14, 2004 why do you say this one wont work, check out my others, a penny for your thoughts Link to comment
mscott998 Posted July 14, 2004 Author Share Posted July 14, 2004 mine does include a log book Link to comment
+Nappy10 Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Saying it wont work is NOT my personal opinion. I am just speculating that there must be some other reason the approver denied the cache. Link to comment
mscott998 Posted July 14, 2004 Author Share Posted July 14, 2004 he hasn't danied nor approved it, he just asked the question and didn't reply when i gave him answer Link to comment
+Nappy10 Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 mine does include a log book I know, thats why I said: But, you have a log book. So, there is a possibilty of two things: (1) Your cache approver is so overworked that he missed something in the guidelines. (2) There is something we are not seeing. Some other reason. I tend to side towards the latter. Link to comment
mscott998 Posted July 14, 2004 Author Share Posted July 14, 2004 do you think i should retrieve it and give up? Link to comment
+Nappy10 Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 he hasn't danied nor approved it, he just asked the question and didn't reply when i gave him answer Okay, now I see. So, how is it rude of him to ask? Or did he send another message to you? Link to comment
+JMBella Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 yes so the person can log in their name, not all people get to loging their find on the net. Why are you trying to reinvent the wheel? The traditional way to hide a cache works fine with no need for anyone to count rings or verify a date on a penny. Don't get me wrong, it's your cache and you can make up rules like that as much as you want. And to be completely honest, if the cache has a logbook and conforms with all the guidelines on the site as well as the rules of the park then the cache should be approved. Still, I don't get it. this gives the cache meaning, Hiding an ammo can filled with decent swag in a beautiful location gives a cache meaning too. The kind of meaning cachers tend to appreciate a whole lot. I'm not trying to impose on you a particular style of hide, just speaking from a little experience. Don't take it the wrong way. Link to comment
+Nappy10 Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 do you think i should retrieve it and give up? I wouldn't give up until the approver archieves it Link to comment
mscott998 Posted July 14, 2004 Author Share Posted July 14, 2004 i contacted him on the 10th on the status and he was rude in the reply Link to comment
+Nappy10 Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 yes so the person can log in their name, not all people get to loging their find on the net. Why are you trying to reinvent the wheel? The traditional way to hide a cache works fine with no need for anyone to count rings or verify a date on a penny. Don't get me wrong, it's your cache and you can make up rules like that as much as you want. And to be completely honest, if the cache has a logbook and conforms with all the guidelines on the site as well as the rules of the park then the cache should be approved. Still, I don't get it. this gives the cache meaning, Hiding an ammo can filled with decent swag in a beautiful location gives a cache meaning too. The kind of meaning cachers tend to appreciate a whole lot. I'm not trying to impose on you a particular style of hide, just speaking from a little experience. Don't take it the wrong way. Personally, I dont see anything wrong with counting rings. I dont see a benefit, but the rules do allow it pending the cache also has a hard copy log in it, which it does. Link to comment
+welch Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 If they asked a question they must have thought something needed cleared up. While waiting for replies, considering borderline caches and the like, they will often skip your cache for the time being and go on to other listings that a straight forward. If they didn't do this can you imagine how long it could take for people behind you to get their cache approved? If they're busy, they're busy, having to take more time to reply to your email isn't helping them get whatever is taking up their time, done. Just politely email the answers they ask for to them, and make sure you reference the cache so they know what cache your talking about. Otherwise they have to spend EVEN MORE TIME trying to figure what cache your talking about. Your description may also have the approver wondering, but you require an email. They may be concerned you will, like Mopar has said, not maintain the cache. Just let it turn into a 'count the pennies, micro' which are not allowed because all phyisicals must have a log book now. Yes the site says 72 hours, but A) thats the sites 'policy' which they can change whenever they want. And its not the 'site' that has to meet that deadline. LOL If you really think the person was rude to you (after all from the sound of it your bugging them often about a sorta weird cache), then forward the rude emails to Contact @geocaching.com. Explain the problem, and let GSP deal with it. Well maybe your other similar cache shouldn't have been approvered so fast? You read about the 72hour claim, did you also read that just because one cache was approved is not a reason to approve another like it? Rename the cache whatever you, so long as its not a 'bad' word. It might be easier if you went back and tossed out ring part and removed it from the description. That way the cache is simplily a log only micro stuck in a street somewhere. any more questions? Link to comment
+Nappy10 Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 So this is what happened: July 3rd: You placed the cache. July 6th: The approver asked you the question You answered the question July 10th: You asked the status The approver emailed you back and said "Ill get to it, when I get to it" Right? Link to comment
mscott998 Posted July 14, 2004 Author Share Posted July 14, 2004 Why are you trying to reinvent the wheel? have you ever found one like this before? that ask for the date on a penny or something? i have one that requires the date on the penny for verification, it signifies my anniversary, and the finder said they enjoyed it when the emailed me. Link to comment
mscott998 Posted July 14, 2004 Author Share Posted July 14, 2004 So this is what happened: July 3rd: You placed the cache. July 6th: The approver asked you the question You answered the question July 10th: You asked the status The approver emailed you back and said "Ill get to it, when I get to it" Right? right Link to comment
+JMBella Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Personally, I dont see anything wrong with counting rings. I dont see a benefit, but the rules do allow it pending the cache also has a hard copy log in it, which it does. Oh there's absolutely nothing wrong with it, like I said, i just don't get it. Link to comment
+Nappy10 Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 So this is what happened: July 3rd: You placed the cache. July 6th: The approver asked you the question You answered the question July 10th: You asked the status The approver emailed you back and said "Ill get to it, when I get to it" Right? right It looks like to me your area's approver is under some pressure, either with cache workload or personal life. You did your best to answer the question. I would take it in stride and see what happens. If he denies it, then that would be your time to contest it in these forums or by emailing contact@geocaching.com. Until then, just wait it out to see what happens. Not much more you could do. It wouldnt hurt to send an email to the approver, letting him know that you didnt mean to push him along and you appriciate what hes doing. Link to comment
mscott998 Posted July 14, 2004 Author Share Posted July 14, 2004 Personally, I dont see anything wrong with counting rings. I dont see a benefit, but the rules do allow it pending the cache also has a hard copy log in it, which it does. Oh there's absolutely nothing wrong with it, like I said, i just don't get it. look at the name of the cache Link to comment
+JMBella Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Why are you trying to reinvent the wheel? have you ever found one like this before? that ask for the date on a penny or something? i have one that requires the date on the penny for verification, it signifies my anniversary, and the finder said they enjoyed it when the emailed me. I checked out your hides and saw that one. That one I can deal with, it's little sappy but hey, nothing wrong with that. Here's the big question: What happens if someone who actually finds the cache forgets to email you or maybe is dyslexic and gets the date wrong. Would you delete their found it log? Link to comment
mscott998 Posted July 14, 2004 Author Share Posted July 14, 2004 Why are you trying to reinvent the wheel? have you ever found one like this before? that ask for the date on a penny or something? i have one that requires the date on the penny for verification, it signifies my anniversary, and the finder said they enjoyed it when the emailed me. I checked out your hides and saw that one. That one I can deal with, it's little sappy but hey, nothing wrong with that. Here's the big question: What happens if someone who actually finds the cache forgets to email you or maybe is dyslexic and gets the date wrong. Would you delete their found it log? no, but i will be verifying the internet logs with physical logs, if you dont sign the physical log and do post a log on line and havent emailed the number then i would Link to comment
+welch Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Personally, I dont see anything wrong with counting rings. I dont see a benefit, but the rules do allow it pending the cache also has a hard copy log in it, which it does. Oh there's absolutely nothing wrong with it, like I said, i just don't get it. Couple things, One, if everybody starts throwing change in a fim canister and stashing it somewhere, its not uniqe and interesting, its boring. Thats part of why log books because totally required. Otherwise someone never has to maintain the cache. No log book that can be filled up, and so what if a little water gets in there, you can still tell what the coins are. (not that many would do that, but some could try) And, many people find reading the actual logbook very interesting. Two, if the log book is missing its obvisous right away. If some moron finds the cache and decided he wants some spare change, or a key ring, or a steel fender washer or whatever else. They take some of them, and the next person to find the cache, comes up with a different, 'wrong' count. They really did find the cache, but it can cause confusion until its figure out why/when the count changed. Link to comment
+JMBella Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Why are you trying to reinvent the wheel? have you ever found one like this before? that ask for the date on a penny or something? i have one that requires the date on the penny for verification, it signifies my anniversary, and the finder said they enjoyed it when the emailed me. I checked out your hides and saw that one. That one I can deal with, it's little sappy but hey, nothing wrong with that. Here's the big question: What happens if someone who actually finds the cache forgets to email you or maybe is dyslexic and gets the date wrong. Would you delete their found it log? no, but i will be verifying the internet logs with physical logs, if you dont sign the physical log and do post a log on line and havent emailed the number then i would That's cool. Don't see the problem then. Maybe the approver for got about you. Who is the approver for your area? Not that it matters, I'm sure he wasn't intentionally trying to be rude. Or maybe he was, who knows. It what fashion did you hide the cache? Maybe that has something to do with it. Tell us quick while no one from your area is looking. Link to comment
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