+ScottJ Posted February 18, 2003 Share Posted February 18, 2003 Not long ago, I remember a discussion arising over the National Park Service's non-support (read: prohibition) of Geocaching on National Park lands. Their explanation, in part, was that Geocaching constituted a "Non-Traditional Use" of park land. I'm a bit slow on the uptake, but I've just read that Lucasfilm has been leased a huge chunk of the historic Presidio National Park, and will be building a new facility and conducting business there. Seems to me that building a huge new commercial building on National Park land would constitute a "Non-Traditional Use". In fact, it seems to me that it's a complete scam, awarding National Park land to a corporation for its exclusive, business use. Sorry, but I'm a little outraged at this. I can't put a little metal box in the middle of thousands of acres of National Park land, but Lucas can waltz in and put up a skyscraper and move in? This is wrong. -- Scott Johnson (ScottJ) Quote Link to comment
+Planet Posted February 18, 2003 Share Posted February 18, 2003 I'd sure like to read it too! Cache you later, Planet I feel much more like I do now than when I first got here. Quote Link to comment
+Allen_L Posted February 18, 2003 Share Posted February 18, 2003 http://www.insidevc.com/vcs/state/article/0,1375,VCS_122_1733137,00.html quote:SAN FRANCISCO -- Star Wars creator George Lucas broke ground Saturday for a $300 million special effects campus The groundbreaking marks a new beginning for the Presidio, a former Army base and now a national park with breathtaking views of the city's famous Golden Gate Bridge. The project is designed to allow the park to break-even financially and create a space for the digital arts project of Lucasfilm Ltd. So for $300 million you can put something in a National park. From Lucas' point of view http://www.lucasfilm.com/presidio/2002/intro.html Quote Link to comment
+cmachler Posted February 18, 2003 Share Posted February 18, 2003 If there's one thing I've learned from living in Southern California, it's that Hollywood money talks the talk. Quote Link to comment
+Choachy Posted February 18, 2003 Share Posted February 18, 2003 Its sad that the national parks system refuses environmentally consious people the right to cache and such, but they will sell out to allow a commercial company to build on the land, permanantly changing the natural face of the park and land. Geocaching cant get them out of debt, so they sell the land to save the park? I just dont get it. My time, your time is limited, but time itself is unlimited. Quote Link to comment
+GrizzlyJohn Posted February 18, 2003 Share Posted February 18, 2003 Can you spell W-H-O-R-E? Yes that would be N-P-S! Quote Link to comment
+PI Joe Posted February 18, 2003 Share Posted February 18, 2003 The Presidio is an old Army base. It is NOT pristine wilderness. Here is an exerp (sp?) from the news article... The 850,000-square-foot project will eventually house 2,500 workers. It will occupy the former site of the Letterman Army Hospital, which was demolished. Officials with Presidio Trust, which manages most of the 700 buildings on the 490-acre park... Quote Link to comment
+Renegade Knight Posted February 18, 2003 Share Posted February 18, 2003 Old base, Pristine wilderness. there is no difference. I doubt i'd be allowed to put a cache in any park old base or not. Who's up for placing a cache in the commerical campus in the park? Wherever you go there you are. Quote Link to comment
+Planet Posted February 18, 2003 Share Posted February 18, 2003 Hello Mr/Ms Representative? Congressman? I have a slight problem with this. Could you look into it please? All my friends have a problem with it too. And they vote. Cache you later, Planet I feel much more like I do now than when I first got here. Quote Link to comment
+sbell111 Posted February 18, 2003 Share Posted February 18, 2003 For $300 million, they'd let you cut down all the trees and leave a huge pile of ammo boxes. Heck, they'd probably let you plug old faithful with a doot bucket. Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again. Quote Link to comment
+geospotter Posted February 18, 2003 Share Posted February 18, 2003 quote:Originally posted by txhipowr:The Presidio is an old Army base. It is NOT pristine wilderness. It wouldn't matter if it was pristine wilderness. See this thread from a year ago. geospotter Quote Link to comment
+Allen_L Posted February 18, 2003 Share Posted February 18, 2003 The 300 million was the cost of the building, not for the right to build it. quote:Officials with Presidio Trust, which manages most of the 700 buildings on the 490-acre park, say the cost of the property is $5.8 million in annual rent for a 50-year lease Quote Link to comment
+erik88l-r Posted February 18, 2003 Share Posted February 18, 2003 $300 million? It only cost me $100 as an administrative fee to apply for a Special Use Permit for geocaching in my friendly neighborhood National Park Service administered park. I have yet to hear if it was money well spent though. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. They were very open to listening to my presentation and encouraged me to apply for the permit as the next step, so there is hope. ~erik~ Quote Link to comment
+Bloencustoms Posted February 18, 2003 Share Posted February 18, 2003 quote:Originally posted by sbell111:For $300 million, they'd let you cut down all the trees and leave a huge pile of ammo boxes. Heck, they'd probably let you plug old faithful with a doot bucket. Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again. That has to be the funniest comment I've seen in a long time. I Just spit potato chips all over the place laughing. Get off the cellphone and DRIVE! Quote Link to comment
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