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Originally posted by Woodsters Outdoors:

AS far as fly46's comment on virtuals being annoying, the neat thing is that geocaching lets you know what's a virtual, so those that don't want to do them, don't have to.


 

That's too simple but it's true. I filter all virtuals out of my GPX files.

 

But this insistent whining about unapproved virtuals keeps coming up. I just have to jump into the mosh pit for a couple of punches.

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Originally posted by Woodsters Outdoors:

Ok so now that I have caches found into different areas a 1000 miles apart. One area is where I currently reside. The other is my hometown. What you stated doesn't make sense.


Do you ever read what you write, Woodsters?

 

This thread is about placing a cache (virtual in this case) on vacation. You, while trying to defend the action, stated that one of the things that a person who does this can do is to go back and take new readings should the coordinates be bad. I pointed out that this is tough to do given that it was done while on vacation and the issue would not be known until one returns.

 

Then you state that not everyone goes on vacation hundreds of miles away. I am not certain what distance has to do with it, but the idea is that when one is on vacation, he is outside his caching area. If it is within your caching area where you go and you place a cache, it would not be declined as a vacation cache.

 

Now you bumble along about your hometown being 1000 miles away. Please pick a POV and stick to it. Each thread you stammer along trying to pick apart an argument. In doing so, you lose track of the debate. Your stance is incoherent.

 

Fro.

 

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Originally posted by Frolickin:

 

This thread is about placing a cache (virtual in this case) on vacation. You, while trying to defend the action, stated that one of the things that a person who does this can do is to go back and take new readings should the coordinates be bad. I pointed out that this is tough to do given that it was done while on vacation and the issue would not be known until one returns.


 

Why would it not be known? If people are trying to find it and are reporting bad finds or can't find the certain virtual, then they post a message stating so and/or email the cache owner/placer. No difference in the way it is handled in comparison to the way a traditional is handled. Makes no difference of how far or close away you are from it. If you aren't going to fix it or get it fixed, then it gets archived.

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If it is within your caching area where you go and you place a cache, it would not be declined as a vacation cache.


 

But there is no set distance limit in the guidelines. I agree that a traditional would be more frowned upon at a high distance away from the "caching area" as you stated, but this is about virtuals. Let us not forget cachers outr there with over 2000 finds and hundreds of caches all over the US. Now lets get real,over 100 caches placed? How can one maintain that many especially in so many locations? If they were virtuals, then I would understand more, but they all aren't and these folks are praised.

 

My comment on my hometown being 1000 miles away was went to mean that I now have 2 different caching areas that are 1000 miles apart. Does that mean I can place a cache in my hometown and it not be considered a vacation cache? And then there are those areas with very few caches if any. My hometown there are not a lot. There could be some great virtuals that I could of placed while there. As far as the point of them being removed or moved, well I have plenty of family there to take a look for me, to include retired parents. I'm sure there are many people who visit Augusta Georgia and many there that do not know the folklore or some of the history in that area. One being a cement column that is still standing from an old slave market. There's a story that it hasn't been removed because there is a curse on it placed by a slave. Whenever people try to remove it, they die suddenly. The column is still there and a vital part of the history of the town. There are many others that I could easily place to entertain those not from the area or those who just don't know about them.

 

My opinion is that the "vacation" term is very misleading and lame. People want to try and restrict what they don't like, but as everyone else states "it's beating a dead horse". Doesn't matter which side of the horse you are on.

 

Brian

 

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Originally posted by Woodsters Outdoors:

People want to try and restrict what they don't like, but as everyone else states "it's beating a dead horse". Doesn't matter which side of the horse you are on.


And you are the guy who has beaten "it" (and I don't mean the horse) the most. Give "it" a rest and go place a cache in the area you reside. You might find you like that, too.

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I have been watching this thread dealing with vacation and virtual caches for a few days and biting my tongue, but here is my 2 cents worth.

 

I think that a cacher should be able to do a maintenance check within one week of a no find or other problems anything else is very disrespectful of your fellow cacher that hunted it.

 

I can check on everyone of mine except three ( and another cacher looks after those for me ) caches either going to work or on the way home less than 20 miles. I try to get to each one after a no find in 48 hours.

 

Virtuals , I have about 30 and half of those are lame but that’s another thread, for someone to say they do not need to be maintained is just stupid. Three of my Virtuals have changed drastically and had to have new verification questions and coords. ……………………

 

JOE

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I'll agree with that Joe. AS you stated you either maintain them or have someone do it for you, which is the right thing to do. I've stated before, no cache should not be placed with the intent or capability of it being maintained. As you stated, it is disrespectful and anyone who does that should be banned from placing caches. Others have mentioned the point also that a person should place so many caches before being abled to place one. I have no problem with that also.

 

Brian

 

As long as you're going to think anyway, think big. -Donald Trump

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Since much of this thread discusses vacation caches which are not allowed, I would like to know how a cache can be approved that is located on a private island. Coco Cay, GCBFBE, is on an island that is owned by a cruise line. That is stated in the text. How can the owner maintain this cache. I have no problem with a virtual cache because it is easy to maintain, this tradional is outside the rules.

 

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Yep, yep and yep. I had a brain cramp and forgot the "grandfather clause." Also agree that those would be highly unlikely to move!

 

Thanks for settin' me straight.

 

Joefrog

 

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Originally posted by BassoonPilot:

 

Yes, caches placed before the new rules took effect were "grandfathered." Not incidentally, caches by that individual have suffered a variety of problems, ranging from very bad coordinates (I supplied the correct coordinates for one of the virtuals) to being placed in closed-off areas. Other caches were placed in areas that were later temporarily closed off. (In all fairness, it must be added that that individual _has_ maintained an active interest in her caches and has disabled or archived caches when necessary.)

 

I haven't checked to see which ones you did, but I agree it would be pretty hard to move the Metropolitan Museum, the Castle, or the Empire State Building ... icon_wink.gif

 

[This message was edited by BassoonPilot on July 29, 2003 at 06:30 PM.]


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To blindly ban all virtual vacation caches is wrong. All regular caches are banned in Nat. parks and State parks are going that way. Virtuals are all that is left. As far as maintaince goes, I think most virtuals are maintaince free. If it does require maint., the cacher should be prepared to do so. I don't think you would be taking a local cacher's spot, if they liked the spot they would have one there already.Some said they are lame, don't hunt them, besides, there's alot of lame 1/1 regular caches. What's to be banned next,Lame 1/1 reg. caches? Just some wandering thoughts.

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Originally posted by BassoonPilot:

 

"grandfathered"

 

 

This is a simple word with so much power to really screw things up. As Chief Steward of Pace, Loacl 498, This is the one word that is the kiss of death to a work force like ours, Which is way it not in our contract. It's a word that does one thing and one thing only..

 

-Divides-

 

The word will never fix a problem, It will add to it. and it will make it grow.

 

Maybe the answer to this is a Smiple one, Have them or don't have them. If it's a yes or no thing, Then you (As Quoted before, Splitting Hairs) could not do that as it's Yes or NO.

 

If someone is being told NO (Even if people agree with it), That you can't place it, Then it should be easy to say to the people that already have the same type of cache approved that they will be arcived as per the new rules.

 

Sometimes the answer with the least amount of lines, Is the best, Then again icon_biggrin.gif

 

Team Jedi

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(I wrote this in my last message)

 

Then you (As Quoted before, Splitting Hairs)

 

SOrry about that comment, I was not pointing at the person I got the quote "Grandfarthered"

 

, After I read that, after it was posted, It looked like I was pointing a finger, It was a Quote i read awhile back and I don't remember who even said Splitting hairs.

 

Sorry, icon_smile.gif

 

Team Jedi

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Originally posted by Team Jedi:

I was not pointing at the person I got the quote "Grandfarthered"


 

You didn't ask, but although I did point out that "grandfathering" has been a geocaching fact-of-life, I wouldn't argue against all caches that don't fit the current guidelines being archived.

 

Of course, the guidelines are applied so subjectively by the various administrators and change so frequently that a cache approved yesterday might be subject to archival tomorrow, while a cache that violates a guideline and was archived today might be perfectly acceptable next month.

 

It sure would help keep the database 'fresh' ... perhaps geocaching.com can send them over to that 'other' caching website and claim them as a 'charitable donation.'

 

[This message was edited by BassoonPilot on July 31, 2003 at 11:58 AM.]

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