+westyrf Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Not wanting to sound too pedantic, but should "Needs Archived" be "Needs Archiving"? "Needs Archived" doesn't make sense! Quote Link to comment
+NanCycle Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Not wanting to sound too pedantic, but should "Needs Archived" be "Needs Archiving"? "Needs Archived" doesn't make sense! Yes, it should be. Or "Needs to be Archived." Or "Needs Archival." But "Needs Archived" is common phraseology in some parts of the US. Quote Link to comment
+westyrf Posted May 22, 2013 Author Share Posted May 22, 2013 (edited) I'm in the UK, to us it just sounds wrong. Edited May 22, 2013 by westyrf Quote Link to comment
+Isonzo Karst Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 I'm pretty sure it should be "Needs Reviewer Attention", or perhaps, "Attn: Reviewer". Quote Link to comment
+cerberus1 Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 I kinda thought that "to be" was a given, as in, "needs to be archived". Does sound odd though... - But I like, "Needs Reviewer Attention" a lot better. Quote Link to comment
+westyrf Posted May 22, 2013 Author Share Posted May 22, 2013 I like Needs Reviewer Attention as well. Good idea. Quote Link to comment
+cerberus1 Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 I like Needs Reviewer Attention as well. Good idea. Nothing new, that's been batted around for some time. Quote Link to comment
+kunarion Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 (edited) I like Needs Reviewer Attention as well. Good idea. "Needs Attention". Which is the reason the CO placed such a lousy cache. Edited May 22, 2013 by kunarion Quote Link to comment
+terrkan78 Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 I see it as a contraction. They took out the "to be" for brevity. Sort of like if you trip over your daughter's shoes in the middle of the hall and you give her the look and succinctly bark out: "Needs moved." Quote Link to comment
+kunarion Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 (edited) Not wanting to sound too pedantic, but should "Needs Archived" be "Needs Archiving"? "Needs Archived" doesn't make sense! If you're not there to Found it, not trying to Didn't find it, and not Needs Maintenance, what is the closest option to what you want to do? Since you want to Needs Archiving, you have to Needs Archived. That makes sense. Edited May 22, 2013 by kunarion Quote Link to comment
+dprovan Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 LOL! I have Scottish roots and spent a lot of time in Pittsburgh when I was younger, so I'd forgotten the "needs washed" construction was even an issue. I wonder how many people are struck when I use it without me knowing? Yes, it's a regionalism from the area in the U.S. around western Pennsylvania, although I think it's becoming more widespread throughout the states. I hear it came over long ago with immigrants from Scotland. If it helps, think of "needs" as an auxiliary verb instead of a transitive verb. Think of "needs" in "needs archived" being of similar function as "was" is in "was archived". Until now, you've always thought of it as functioning the same as "needs" in "needs a car". As a transitive verb, it requires an infinitive thrown into the mix. (Or should that be "it requires an infinitive to be thrown into the mix"? It turns out most people find that acceptable without the "to be" even though it's structurally the same issue. Does "I need a cache archived" strike you as wrong, too?) One thing I was reading suggests that the "needs washed" construction gives an increased urgency. Saying "needs archiving" means only that the archival process should commence, while "needs archived" emphasized that the process should be completed. I like that idea as a justification for the construction in general, but I have to admit that that argument suggests we should use "needs archiving" in geocaching even if we accept "needs archived" as valid English, since a NA log does, in fact, suggest only that the process should be started and should always leave open the possibility of the process going somewhere other than the cache actually being archived. Quote Link to comment
+NanCycle Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 I'm in the UK, to us it just sounds wrong. I understand; it sounds wrong to me, too. I kind of got used to it when I lived in one of "those" parts of the US for a while. Quote Link to comment
+FYI_Geocaching Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 I see it as a contraction. They took out the "to be" for brevity. Sort of like if you trip over your daughter's shoes in the middle of the hall and you give her the look and succinctly bark out: "Needs moved." Is that a bit like, instead of me saying "You are an idiot", I just say "You, idiot"? Sort of like..... Quote Link to comment
+Don_J Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Not wanting to sound too pedantic, but should "Needs Archived" be "Needs Archiving"? "Needs Archived" doesn't make sense! No, correctly it should be "Needs Reviewer Attention". The entire purpose of the log is to bring to the reviewer's attention to a cache that may need to be archived. Quote Link to comment
+Cardinal Red Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 I like Needs Reviewer Attention as well. Good idea. Good ideas used to be judged by a different standard. Now bad ideas that produce revenue are far more likely to be implemented than good ideas that don't. Pure customer service has no value. Quote Link to comment
+Pundles Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 God you lot are sad 7.am and all u gotta do is this,... Quote Link to comment
+westyrf Posted May 22, 2013 Author Share Posted May 22, 2013 It's not 7am here. It's 9.20pm Quote Link to comment
+westyrf Posted May 22, 2013 Author Share Posted May 22, 2013 It's not 7am here. It's 9.20pm Quote Link to comment
+FYI_Geocaching Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Actually, "Needs Archived" can make sense, if the word "needs" is a noun, not a verb. As in "since I lost my wedding tackle in that chain saw accident, I've had some of my Needs Archived" Innit. Quote Link to comment
+wmpastor Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 Not wanting to sound too pedantic, but should "Needs Archived" be "Needs Archiving"? "Needs Archived" doesn't make sense! Let me guess...a reviewer just pounced on your best cache! Quote Link to comment
+DonB Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 The United States is a big country and terminology that is normal in one part of the country sounds strange in another part. We also have probably five or six different accents from different parts of the country. The first time I traveled in some of the southern states I had to listen real close to figure out what the person was saying. The same holds true for the US and Europe. Many years ago I worked with a guy from England and between his accent and his terminology it was quite some time before I fully knew what he was talking about at times. Quote Link to comment
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