+MrCJDL Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 Hi peeps, forum n00b here.... i tried searching, but it doesn't seem to be too intuitive, so here I am I've temporarily disabled one of my caches as I was checking on it the other day and found that the landowner has been doing some clearing and has taken away a lot of the undergrowth... so the cache was just lying out in the open (at least it was left there !!) – even if I was to stash it again, GZ will still be in plain sight. Anyways, the rest of the immediate area is either fenced in, or marshland... so I moved the cache to another similar location around a mile or so away but apparently this is 'too far' away from the original location. I've looked and looked but I cannot find any guidelines as to how far it can be moved. Does anyone know ? As suggested, I've sent a note to my local reviewer, but he/she hasn't been online in nearly a month... would I be better off contacting GS, or just archiving it and starting again ? New location is unmanaged moorland, so will be unlikely to ever be disturbed or need moved. Thanks, Chris. Quote Link to comment
jholly Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 You can move it 528 feet. More takes the assistance of a reviewer. But with such a large move the caching experience is probably different so probably the best course would be to archive and relist. Quote Link to comment
+pppingme Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 Moving a cache is usually considered more of a maintenance issue, like if your hiding spot was destroyed and you moved it 30 feet to the next tree for example. If you are moving a cache a mile, then its clearly a new hide. Its taking you to a completely different area. By just "moving" an existing cache to a new area, you are really cheating the people who have already found it, as they may enjoy the new area, but likely won't figure out that you've placed a cache there Quote Link to comment
+seldon Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 A few hundred feet, perhaps up to 528 feet, without ok from reviewer. Best course might be to just archive your cache, and make the new placement be a new cache. Quote Link to comment
+MrCJDL Posted January 26, 2011 Author Share Posted January 26, 2011 Ah... never thought of that... it's technically the same area (along a long distance footpath) but point taken that yes the terrain and GZ are indeed pretty different to the original. Thanks peeps Quote Link to comment
GOF and Bacall Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 A new location is a new experience. E new experience is a new cache. Give it a new page. Quote Link to comment
+Harry Dolphin Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 Peeps! Sorry. From a dfferent generation... It's an entirely different cache. Archive, and put out a new page. Quote Link to comment
Pup Patrol Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 (edited) I've looked and looked but I cannot find any guidelines as to how far it can be moved. Does anyone know ? Hmmmm.... have you been to this page: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/ On the right had side, right at the top, is a rather large box of text that addresses the first-time hider. It clearly states the link to the Guidelines. It's right above the link to the cache submission form. And at the bottom of the page at http://www.geocaching.com/seek/ is the link to the Knowledge Books: http://support.Groundspeak.com/index.php?pg=kb Edited January 26, 2011 by Pup Patrol Quote Link to comment
+StarBrand Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 New location that far away with a new hide style is just an all new cache. Archive the old and start up a new listing. Quote Link to comment
+MrCJDL Posted January 26, 2011 Author Share Posted January 26, 2011 (edited) I've looked and looked but I cannot find any guidelines as to how far it can be moved. Does anyone know ? Hmmmm.... have you been to this page: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/ On the right had side, right at the top, is a rather large box of text that addresses the first-time hider. It clearly states the link to the Guidelines. It's right above the link to the cache submission form. And at the bottom of the page at http://www.geocaching.com/seek/ is the link to the Knowledge Books: http://support.Groundspeak.com/index.php?pg=kb Yup have read the guidelines from start to finish, and have looked at the KB - nowhere, that I have found, does it tell you how far it's acceptable to move an existing cache. Unless I'm blind ? The 528ft figure seems to come from the minimum separation distance in the saturation guidelines. No ? @Harry... Those are peeps ? Thanks for all of the replies, and I agree. Cache now archived, and new one will be submitted in a couple of days once I have changed the old cache label and replace the log. Regards, Chris. Edited January 26, 2011 by cjdl Quote Link to comment
+StarBrand Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 I've looked and looked but I cannot find any guidelines as to how far it can be moved. Does anyone know ? Hmmmm.... have you been to this page: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/ On the right had side, right at the top, is a rather large box of text that addresses the first-time hider. It clearly states the link to the Guidelines. It's right above the link to the cache submission form. And at the bottom of the page at http://www.geocaching.com/seek/ is the link to the Knowledge Books: http://support.Groundspeak.com/index.php?pg=kb Yup have read the guidelines from start to finish, and have looked at the KB - nowhere, that I have found, does it tell you how far it's acceptable to move an existing cache. Unless I'm blind ? The 528ft figure seems to come from the minimum separation distance in the saturation guidelines. No ? @Harry... Those are peeps ? Thanks for all of the replies, and I agree. Cache now archived, and new one will be submitted in a couple of days once I have changed the old cache label and replace the log. Regards, Chris. Here it is in the knowledgebook: http://support.Groundspeak.com/index.php?pg=kb.page&id=61 Quote Link to comment
Pup Patrol Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 Yup have read the guidelines from start to finish, and have looked at the KB - nowhere, that I have found, does it tell you how far it's acceptable to move an existing cache. Here it is in the knowledgebook: http://support.Groundspeak.com/index.php?pg=kb.page&id=61 Thus we have it defined, the difference between "looked at" and "read". Quote Link to comment
+MrCJDL Posted January 26, 2011 Author Share Posted January 26, 2011 *snip* Here it is in the knowledgebook: http://support.Groundspeak.com/index.php?pg=kb.page&id=61 Admittedly, I didn't quite read the whole KB... but thanks. Although, with 14000+ posts and nearly 9 years service (happy 9th anniversary in a few days BTW :-) ) You guys prob know the KB off by heart Thanks again for the advice ! Chris. Quote Link to comment
Pup Patrol Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 Although, with 14000+ posts and nearly 9 years service (happy 9th anniversary in a few days BTW :-) ) You guys prob know the KB off by heart Thanks again for the advice ! Chris. That's the beauty of the Knowledge Books...they're constantly being updated. Look at the sticky (pinned thread) at the top of this forum, titled "Knowledge Books: references and help from Groundspeak". Quote Link to comment
+BCandMsKitty Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 Kudos to StarBrand for a helpful answer. Quote Link to comment
+StarBrand Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 Although, with 14000+ posts and nearly 9 years service (happy 9th anniversary in a few days BTW :-) ) You guys prob know the KB off by heart Thanks again for the advice ! Chris. That's the beauty of the Knowledge Books...they're constantly being updated. Look at the sticky (pinned thread) at the top of this forum, titled "Knowledge Books: references and help from Groundspeak". Or the link in any of my 14000+ posts - I just searched it for "move" Quote Link to comment
+addisonbr Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 Hi Chris - thanks for your well-worded and clear question, and polite follow-ups. Don't let any snarky comments get to you. The body of work that has evolved on how to hide and maintain a cache on this site has grown a lot over the years and can be hard to navigate and keep straight at times. Even as someone who has played this game for a while and is pretty active, I often have trouble finding information and will come to the forums for help. Know that for every forum member who is tempted to roll his eyes at a new user's question, there are scads more like StarBrand, jholly, Potato Finder and others who will line up to help you find what you're looking for. Good luck with the new placement. Quote Link to comment
+sbell111 Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 Hi peeps, forum n00b here.... i tried searching, but it doesn't seem to be too intuitive, so here I am I've temporarily disabled one of my caches as I was checking on it the other day and found that the landowner has been doing some clearing and has taken away a lot of the undergrowth... so the cache was just lying out in the open (at least it was left there !!) – even if I was to stash it again, GZ will still be in plain sight. Anyways, the rest of the immediate area is either fenced in, or marshland... so I moved the cache to another similar location around a mile or so away but apparently this is 'too far' away from the original location. I've looked and looked but I cannot find any guidelines as to how far it can be moved. Does anyone know ? As suggested, I've sent a note to my local reviewer, but he/she hasn't been online in nearly a month... would I be better off contacting GS, or just archiving it and starting again ? New location is unmanaged moorland, so will be unlikely to ever be disturbed or need moved. Thanks, Chris. Sorry about all the snarkiness to your question. The amount of jumping on noobs has increased in here lately. Its an embarressment to us all. Happily, the mods are tightening down on this behavior so it is getting better. Regarding moving your cache, here's the issue as I understand it: The system allows for small adjustments to coords as these adjustments are frequently necessary to 'dial in' the coords or in case a cache needs to be moved a few feet. Adjustments larger than 528 feet, however, cannot be entered by a cache owner. There are two thoughts behind this. First, the farther a cache is moved, the more the cache experience changes. This is particularly true when moving a cache farther than 528 feet since a cache could have actually been placed in the new spot without moving the original cache. The second thing about moving a cache very far is it could get too close to other caches very easily and end up being a violation of the proximity guideline. Quote Link to comment
+Bear and Ragged Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 Regarding moving your cache, here's the issue as I understand it: The system allows for small adjustments to coords as these adjustments are frequently necessary to 'dial in' the coords or in case a cache needs to be moved a few feet. Adjustments larger than 528 feet, however, cannot be entered by a cache owner. There are two thoughts behind this. First, the farther a cache is moved, the more the cache experience changes. This is particularly true when moving a cache farther than 528 feet since a cache could have actually been placed in the new spot without moving the original cache. The second thing about moving a cache very far is it could get too close to other caches very easily and end up being a violation of the proximity guideline. ... And, don't try to move a cache in 'several' short jumps to move it further. The reviewers are notified and will take action. Quote Link to comment
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