+BlueDeuce Posted July 3, 2003 Share Posted July 3, 2003 I'm not sure if this has been brought up before, but if I know a BM disk is about to be destroyed, say due to an old bridge being torn down, should I be doing anything to recover it? I would be willing to work with the construction foreman to safely remove it, but would NGS want it back? Can a citizen legally keep a "destroyed" marker? Or does NGS want them destroyed along with the mount structure and I should take off my hat, hum 'Taps' and just walk away? Thanks. Quote Link to comment
+geo_eclectic Posted July 3, 2003 Share Posted July 3, 2003 If at all possible take some pictures as soon as possible. A Closeup and some showing the context/surroundings. If the physical mark gets lost/misplaced latter on you will have proof of just which mark was destroyed. As for the questions I will defer to others. Quote Link to comment
+BlueDeuce Posted July 3, 2003 Author Share Posted July 3, 2003 Absolutely agree on the pictures. I suspect most will eventually exist only in photos. Thanks. Quote Link to comment
Asolo Posted July 3, 2003 Share Posted July 3, 2003 I'm certainly not the authority on this, but I did run across this a little while back... Web-Based Mark Recovery Form (discusses destroyed BMs) and Online Mark Recovery Announcement (pdf) maybe that'll give more info for ya...or at least someone to ask in the NGS if you wish... Quote Link to comment
+Bilder Posted July 3, 2003 Share Posted July 3, 2003 Tie yourself to the bridge as a form of protest against the needless slaughter of helpless benchmarks. Draw media attention to the reckless destruction of the endangered benchmarks and how little is done to pretect them from advancing urban sprawl. Propose a sanctuary for displaced benchmarks with proper habitat and food for them. Start a breeding program to repopulate the species and them release them back into the wild for all to enjoy. You may even be able to get a grant to start an endangered benchmark foundation. Testify before congress. Or you could follow the advice of the above posters. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have never been lost. Been awful confused for a few days, but never lost! Quote Link to comment
+BlueDeuce Posted July 3, 2003 Author Share Posted July 3, 2003 I just gave some money to a guy collecting funds for that cause. I guess he was telling the truth after all. He also mentioned something about the Choking Doberman fund. [This message was edited by Team X40 on July 03, 2003 at 03:09 PM.] Quote Link to comment
+Kewaneh & Shark Posted July 3, 2003 Share Posted July 3, 2003 The county surveyor would probably be the best person to contact to insure the protection of the monument. The mark would most likely be of most value to him and his office. You could also contact the Survey and/or Road Division of Public Works of the government agency that has jurisdiction of the road and bridge. (Such as the City if it's a city street, the county if it's a county road, or the State DOT if it's a State route or highway.) These agencies all have interest in the marks and will take measures to protect them. If the destruction of the mark is inevitable, the agency that has jurisdiction over the construction (or destruction) of the bridge should take (and is probably in the process of taking) measures to protect it as a survey mark. However, that protection may include removing and relocating the mark. That would insure its integrity as a survey mark, but effectively destroy it as an NGS mark, unless it was reset by NGS standards and submitted to them. Keep on Caching! - Kewaneh Quote Link to comment
+GEO*Trailblazer 1 Posted July 3, 2003 Share Posted July 3, 2003 I am working on 2 here in Mo.One that was recovered after 70 years and the other a Azimuth and a reference was removed during Highway construction,I contacted the NGS Deb Brown,she in turn gave me another e-mail adress which I will try and post.The Triangulation Station was just recovered by NGS and Painted Bright Red,The other mark is in a building in Pierce City were the Tornado went through,I also contacted NGS about this one as well.The Mayor Myself,FEMA and everyone I could get ahold of are trying to save this mark,even thogh they are in there with heavy eqiptment. THE MOST DANGEROUS ANIMAL IN THE FOREST DOES NOT EVEN LIVE THERE*********WHEN ALL ELSE FAILS*GEOTRYAGAIN **1803-2003 "LOUSIANA PURCHASE" 200TH ANNIVERSARY AND THE "LEWIS AND CLARK EXPADITION" http://lewisclark.goeg.missouri.edu http://www.lapurchase.org http://www.msnusers.com/MissouriTrails [This message was edited by GEO*Trailblazer # 1 on July 03, 2003 at 09:56 PM.] Quote Link to comment
+Cache Viking Posted July 3, 2003 Share Posted July 3, 2003 Identify the owning agency of the bridge ie. City County State and contact the respective person ie. City Engineer, County Surveyor or State Highway Department. Often a bridge only comes out to be replaced by another in which case the new one was most likely designed using the Bench Mark as it was intended to be and the responsible agency is then aware of it as Bench Marks used for design are referenced on the plan. In many cases there is no requirement to replace it and a temporary was established for construction use. Quote Link to comment
+GEO*Trailblazer 1 Posted July 3, 2003 Share Posted July 3, 2003 According to the (Surveyeror's ) here and the NGS the marks are to be recovered, is what I was told.Especially if in their original Position,they want to reset off the old mark,that may be the Temporary,but the insructions for recovery read,something to the effects that a great deal of set up and transfer is necissary to establish the new Mark,(the) (RESET) THE MOST DANGEROUS ANIMAL IN THE FOREST DOES NOT EVEN LIVE THERE*********WHEN ALL ELSE FAILS*GEOTRYAGAIN **1803-2003 "LOUSIANA PURCHASE" 200TH ANNIVERSARY AND THE "LEWIS AND CLARK EXPADITION" http://lewisclark.goeg.missouri.edu http://www.lapurchase.org http://www.msnusers.com/MissouriTrails Quote Link to comment
+Renegade Knight Posted July 3, 2003 Share Posted July 3, 2003 It depends on the project. Often they will be replaced as part of the projects survey control. This is esecially true of governmental projects. If it's a local developer and his contractor that's another deal entirely. Quote Link to comment
+GEO*Trailblazer 1 Posted July 3, 2003 Share Posted July 3, 2003 So is that why you might think that so many marks are destroyed,that is private companies that are hired to destroy these,have no Idea or care for the Mark?Or even what they are? THE MOST DANGEROUS ANIMAL IN THE FOREST DOES NOT EVEN LIVE THERE*********WHEN ALL ELSE FAILS*GEOTRYAGAIN **1803-2003 "LOUSIANA PURCHASE" 200TH ANNIVERSARY AND THE "LEWIS AND CLARK EXPADITION" http://lewisclark.goeg.missouri.edu http://www.lapurchase.org http://www.msnusers.com/MissouriTrails Quote Link to comment
+GEO*Trailblazer 1 Posted July 4, 2003 Share Posted July 4, 2003 That e-mail adress is Deb.Brown@noaa.gov the two marks are http://www.geocaching.com/mark/details.asp?PID=GG0052 and http://www.geocaching.com/mark/details.asp?PID=GF0937 THE MOST DANGEROUS ANIMAL IN THE FOREST DOES NOT EVEN LIVE THERE*********WHEN ALL ELSE FAILS*GEOTRYAGAIN **1803-2003 "LOUSIANA PURCHASE" 200TH ANNIVERSARY AND THE "LEWIS AND CLARK EXPADITION" http://lewisclark.goeg.missouri.edu/index.shtml http://www.lapurchase.org http://www.msnusers.com/MissouriTrails Quote Link to comment
+Webfoot Posted July 4, 2003 Share Posted July 4, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Bilder:Tie yourself to the bridge as a form of protest against the needless slaughter of helpless benchmarks. Draw media attention to the reckless destruction of the endangered benchmarks and how little is done to pretect them from advancing urban sprawl. Propose a sanctuary for displaced benchmarks with proper habitat and food for them. Start a breeding program to repopulate the species and them release them back into the wild for all to enjoy. You may even be able to get a grant to start an endangered benchmark foundation. Testify before congress. Or you could follow the advice of the above posters. It is rather unfortunate that the actions of a few large companies are causing the wanton destruction of benchmark habitat. Pretty soon, these little critters will only be able to survive in isolated pockets and perhaps, because of the isolation, not be able to multiply. Something should be done! Webfoot Tromping through the underbrush looking for Ammo cans, Tupperware containers, & little round disks. Quote Link to comment
AE5D Posted July 6, 2003 Share Posted July 6, 2003 If you were able to take possession of a benchmark as it is "retired", you could make some really cool bookends or a nice doorstop. Quote Link to comment
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