fraude FTF by FTF Jaeger

[+chuckwagon101]

A local church had an ice cream social. At the event, there were several different kinds of ice cream, as well as some frozen yogurt. All went well until one visitor complained that frozen yogurt is not ice cream. The pastor tried to calm the angst level by advising the disatisfied visitor that there is no reason to be upset because, after all teh visitor could simply eat the ice cream instead. The presence of a gallon or two of frozen yogurt doesn't make the variety of ice creams less yummy. Plus, it's not like the person paid to come to the church's ice cream social.

 

It's imperfect, but I'm still working on it.

 

Was this a Southern Baptist Church or a Northern Baptist Church?

 

The Northern Baptist Church says...."There ain't no HELL!"

 

The Southern Baptist Church says...."The HELL there ain't!"

 

But both congregations are crazy about most Ice Cream. Except spumoni Ice Cream. Only Northern Baptist members can slurp their way through all those grapes and raisins and .......whatever!

 

I STILL don't know if it's ok for me to "armchair" a bunch of FTF and other caches so that I can become a ..............CONTENDER! (if it comes out that nobody is going to get upset.......IT'S A DONE DEAL!!!!!!! HeeeeeeeeeeYiiiiiiiiiiiiii!)

[+ReadyOrNot]

Either have compassion for their situation or just don't say anything at all.

Now you're telling me how to behave by telling me I shouldn't tell people how to behave (which I haven't done).

 

Interesting.

 

Many people are taking what you are saying wrong... I'm just pointing out the reason I feel this is happening and a possible solution to the problem. If you don't care about how you are received, then disregard the advice.

 

But if you disregard the feelings of others, don't be surprised if they return the favor.

Edited September 11, 2008 by ReadyOrNot

[+sbell111]

Either have compassion for their situation or just don't say anything at all.

Now you're telling me how to behave by telling me I shouldn't tell people how to behave (which I haven't done).

 

Interesting.

 

Many people are taking what you are saying wrong... I'm just pointing out the reason I feel this is happening and a possible solution to the problem. If you don't care about how you are received, then disregard the advice.

 

But if you disregard the feelings of others, don't be surprised if they return the favor.

I don't find the advice 'Agree or shut up' to be very helpful in a forum topic.

[Mushtang]

Either have compassion for their situation or just don't say anything at all.

Now you're telling me how to behave by telling me I shouldn't tell people how to behave (which I haven't done).

 

Interesting.

Many people are taking what you are saying wrong...

That's true, they are. Even when it's pointed out that they've taken it wrong, they still attempt to tell me how I think and what I should mean. Very strange behavior.

 

I'm just pointing out the reason I feel this is happening and a possible solution to the problem. If you don't care about how you are received, then disregard the advice.

Disregarding your advice has served me well.

 

But if you disregard the feelings of others, don't be surprised if they return the favor.

There are also many people that completely understand me and have let me know privately. I'm not worried about your predictions.

 

And I'll stay in the forums and participate, thank you very much.

[Dinoprophet]

If that is what you think. I say it just makes it very difficult to understand each other when people take liberties with the meanings of words.

May I mambo dog-face to the banana patch?

Uh, oh. Either you're a Steve Martin fan, or your parents took his advice.

 

And I hope you aren't still waiting for an answer.

Edited September 11, 2008 by Dinoprophet

[+ReadyOrNot]

Either have compassion for their situation or just don't say anything at all.

Now you're telling me how to behave by telling me I shouldn't tell people how to behave (which I haven't done).

 

Interesting.

 

Many people are taking what you are saying wrong... I'm just pointing out the reason I feel this is happening and a possible solution to the problem. If you don't care about how you are received, then disregard the advice.

 

But if you disregard the feelings of others, don't be surprised if they return the favor.

I don't find the advice 'Agree or shut up' to be very helpful in a forum topic.

 

Its my understanding that you are sick and tired of this issue being brought up. Perhaps others, like myself, will shutup if you choose to show some compassion and understanding for the anguish and angst felt by others regarding this issue. There are several ways of accomplishing that. "Shutting Up" and you put it would be one way of addressing the issue. Showing understanding and compassion is another great way of dealing with it. Dismissing the angst and frustration felt by others just leads to more angst and frustration, which you are clearly feeling as well....

 

If you want to translate that to "Agree or shut-up", you are welcome to do that, but noone has told you to shut-up. Since you apparently experience no angst or frustration over silly things in your life, you could share your secrets with the rest of us?

[+sbell111]

Either have compassion for their situation or just don't say anything at all.

Now you're telling me how to behave by telling me I shouldn't tell people how to behave (which I haven't done).

 

Interesting.

 

Many people are taking what you are saying wrong... I'm just pointing out the reason I feel this is happening and a possible solution to the problem. If you don't care about how you are received, then disregard the advice.

 

But if you disregard the feelings of others, don't be surprised if they return the favor.

I don't find the advice 'Agree or shut up' to be very helpful in a forum topic.

 

Its my understanding that you are sick and tired of this issue being brought up. Perhaps others, like myself, will shutup if you choose to show some compassion and understanding for the anguish and angst felt by others regarding this issue. There are several ways of accomplishing that. "Shutting Up" and you put it would be one way of addressing the issue. Showing understanding and compassion is another great way of dealing with it. Dismissing the angst and frustration felt by others just leads to more angst and frustration, which you are clearly feeling as well....

 

If you want to translate that to "Agree or shut-up", you are welcome to do that, but noone has told you to shut-up. Since you apparently experience no angst or frustration over silly things in your life, you could share your secrets with the rest of us?

If this thread wasn't mostly about those that agree with you trying to shoult down those that disagree, I MIGHT agree with you. I might not, but I would definitely have a greater chance of agreeing with you if this thread was merely a discussion of the issue, rather than a 6-page attack on any people that disagree.

[+ReadyOrNot]

Either have compassion for their situation or just don't say anything at all.

Now you're telling me how to behave by telling me I shouldn't tell people how to behave (which I haven't done).

 

Interesting.

 

Many people are taking what you are saying wrong... I'm just pointing out the reason I feel this is happening and a possible solution to the problem. If you don't care about how you are received, then disregard the advice.

 

But if you disregard the feelings of others, don't be surprised if they return the favor.

I don't find the advice 'Agree or shut up' to be very helpful in a forum topic.

 

Its my understanding that you are sick and tired of this issue being brought up. Perhaps others, like myself, will shutup if you choose to show some compassion and understanding for the anguish and angst felt by others regarding this issue. There are several ways of accomplishing that. "Shutting Up" and you put it would be one way of addressing the issue. Showing understanding and compassion is another great way of dealing with it. Dismissing the angst and frustration felt by others just leads to more angst and frustration, which you are clearly feeling as well....

 

If you want to translate that to "Agree or shut-up", you are welcome to do that, but noone has told you to shut-up. Since you apparently experience no angst or frustration over silly things in your life, you could share your secrets with the rest of us?

If this thread wasn't mostly about those that agree with you trying to shoult down those that disagree, I MIGHT agree with you. I might not, but I would definitely have a greater chance of agreeing with you if this thread was merely a discussion of the issue, rather than a 6-page attack on any people that disagree.

 

I agree that I have attacked Mushtang, but I don't believe I've attacked anyone else. And for what it's worth, I apologized offline to Mushtang for my behavior. I love to argue, but I do not enjoy when things get to the point where the attacks become personal.

[+traildad]

One more thing that I don't understand is why you keep arguing this issue. Your position appears to be so close to Mushtang's that I wouldn't think that there is any reason to bicker.

I read the rest of the posts on the topic before I responded to this part. I didn't see anything similar posted to Mushtang. I don't think I have been having a conversation all by myself but somehow I am the one. I think you may be showing your bias. Two people have an ongoing discussion but only one of them is the one that keeps arguing the issue.

I didn't include Mushtang in that post for two reasons. First, you came into the thread on the attack against Mushtang. Second, you've been on the attack and he's been on defense. If you weren't attacking, he wouldn't have been defending, in my opinion.

Well I suppose you have a right to your bias.

[+traildad]

 

There's no NEED to use a screen saver to avoid burning a static image into your monitor. They fixed that problem a long time ago. That's not even close to saying that i don't think you should have a screen saver running.

Apples and oranges. To say a screen saver is not needed because technology has changed is not EVEN close to telling someone they don't need to feel a certain way.

[+traildad]

For someone who keeps arguing that we shouldn't tell others how to feel, you've done a great job of hounding me trying to get me to change my position or admit that I'm wrong.

 

It's getting old. I'm hoping you'll be done soon.

Gee whiz, are you taking lessons from sbell111? I have only responded to your posts. Are you saying that you are allowed to post, but if I answer your post I am hounding you? Who are you hounding when you put up your 46th post on this topic? That really is a good one. You post over and over and then tell me to stop responding to you. If you don't want people to respond to your posts in a forum, Don't post.

[+traildad]

THAT does it!

 

240 posts and not an ice cream analogy in the WHOLE BUNCH! Now....is that pitiful or WHAT???!!

I've been trying to come up with a ice cream analogy but it's tough. Here's an attempt that may or may not work.

It is interesting but I don't think you took it to it's conclusion. I really couldn't tell if it supported falsely selling people yogurt while charging for ice cream or not.

[+traildad]

A local church had an ice cream social. At the event, there were several different kinds of ice cream, as well as some frozen yogurt. All went well until one visitor complained that frozen yogurt is not ice cream. The pastor tried to calm the angst level by advising the disatisfied visitor that there is no reason to be upset because, after all teh visitor could simply eat the ice cream instead. The presence of a gallon or two of frozen yogurt doesn't make the variety of ice creams less yummy. Plus, it's not like the person paid to come to the church's ice cream social.

 

It's imperfect, but I'm still working on it.

I would go with a ice cream social that only had yogurt and it wasn't even frozen. The visitor said I drove 2 hours to come here for ice cream and there is none. I would have gone to the other ice cream social if I had known you were using yogurt instead of ice cream.

Edited September 11, 2008 by traildad

[+traildad]

Either have compassion for their situation or just don't say anything at all.

Now you're telling me how to behave by telling me I shouldn't tell people how to behave (which I haven't done).

 

Interesting.

 

Many people are taking what you are saying wrong... I'm just pointing out the reason I feel this is happening and a possible solution to the problem. If you don't care about how you are received, then disregard the advice.

 

But if you disregard the feelings of others, don't be surprised if they return the favor.

I don't find the advice 'Agree or shut up' to be very helpful in a forum topic.

Are you more in the "we don't agree with you so shut up" camp?

Edited September 12, 2008 by traildad

[+traildad]

 

And I'll stay in the forums and participate, thank you very much.

Maybe you should ask around, It might be that people are getting tired of it. No wait, you probably think only you get to say that.

[+traildad]

 

If this thread wasn't mostly about those that agree with you trying to shoult down those that disagree, I MIGHT agree with you. I might not, but I would definitely have a greater chance of agreeing with you if this thread was merely a discussion of the issue, rather than a 6-page attack on any people that disagree.

[Mushtang]

There's no NEED to use a screen saver to avoid burning a static image into your monitor. They fixed that problem a long time ago. That's not even close to saying that i don't think you should have a screen saver running.

Apples and oranges. To say a screen saver is not needed because technology has changed is not EVEN close to telling someone they don't need to feel a certain way.

Yes I know. That was the point I was trying to make.

[Mushtang]

For someone who keeps arguing that we shouldn't tell others how to feel, you've done a great job of hounding me trying to get me to change my position or admit that I'm wrong.

 

It's getting old. I'm hoping you'll be done soon.

Gee whiz, are you taking lessons from sbell111? I have only responded to your posts. Are you saying that you are allowed to post, but if I answer your post I am hounding you? Who are you hounding when you put up your 46th post on this topic? That really is a good one. You post over and over and then tell me to stop responding to you. If you don't want people to respond to your posts in a forum, Don't post.

46 posts, I'll take your word for it.

 

8 posts in a row? That's definitely hounding.

[+traildad]

There's no NEED to use a screen saver to avoid burning a static image into your monitor. They fixed that problem a long time ago. That's not even close to saying that i don't think you should have a screen saver running.

Apples and oranges. To say a screen saver is not needed because technology has changed is not EVEN close to telling someone they don't need to feel a certain way.

Yes I know. That was the point I was trying to make.

So you are admitting that you are better off not telling people how they should feel?

[+traildad]

For someone who keeps arguing that we shouldn't tell others how to feel, you've done a great job of hounding me trying to get me to change my position or admit that I'm wrong.

 

It's getting old. I'm hoping you'll be done soon.

Gee whiz, are you taking lessons from sbell111? I have only responded to your posts. Are you saying that you are allowed to post, but if I answer your post I am hounding you? Who are you hounding when you put up your 46th post on this topic? That really is a good one. You post over and over and then tell me to stop responding to you. If you don't want people to respond to your posts in a forum, Don't post.

46 posts, I'll take your word for it.

 

8 posts in a row? That's definitely hounding.

Gee I am so sorry that I couldn't be here to reply to each post as it was posted. Now your rules say that I can only reply to a certain number of posts?

[Mushtang]

There's no NEED to use a screen saver to avoid burning a static image into your monitor. They fixed that problem a long time ago. That's not even close to saying that i don't think you should have a screen saver running.

Apples and oranges. To say a screen saver is not needed because technology has changed is not EVEN close to telling someone they don't need to feel a certain way.

Yes I know. That was the point I was trying to make.

So you are admitting that you are better off not telling people how they should feel?

I haven't told people how they should feel. Try and keep up with the conversation. I'll try and diagram out the analogy so you can follow it this time.

 

There's no reason to get upset over a false log => There's no equipment saving reason to use a screen saver because technology has changed

 

Telling someone they shouldn't get upset => Telling someone they shouldn't have a screen saver running.

 

With me so far? The first two are similar, and the second two are similar, but the first two are not at all similar to the second two.

 

When you point out that the things I'm saying are different, are different, that would mean that you agree with me. So I guess you're admitting now that I haven't been telling people how they should feel?

[Mushtang]

For someone who keeps arguing that we shouldn't tell others how to feel, you've done a great job of hounding me trying to get me to change my position or admit that I'm wrong.

 

It's getting old. I'm hoping you'll be done soon.

Gee whiz, are you taking lessons from sbell111? I have only responded to your posts. Are you saying that you are allowed to post, but if I answer your post I am hounding you? Who are you hounding when you put up your 46th post on this topic? That really is a good one. You post over and over and then tell me to stop responding to you. If you don't want people to respond to your posts in a forum, Don't post.

46 posts, I'll take your word for it.

 

8 posts in a row? That's definitely hounding.

Gee I am so sorry that I couldn't be here to reply to each post as it was posted. Now your rules say that I can only reply to a certain number of posts?

Nope, I never suggested that at all. I only agreed with Sbell that you've been hounding. Nice try though.

[realisticdreamer66]

All you can do is delete the logs on your caches and forget about it. It's stupid that someone would do this, but don't let it ruin your fun.

 

But why can't HE play the game he wants to? Who are we to tell him he's wrong?

 

He CAN play the game he wants....just not here and not with "our" caches. If he wants to play that way then he can setup his own site and his own rules.

 

and you run something other than your mouth?

 

another person who who has no control of their own life so they try to controls other

 

nothing like a semi annomous forum to turn rational adults into childish 3 year olds

 

get a life

Edited September 12, 2008 by realisticdreamer66

[+traildad]

Try and keep up with the conversation. I'll try and diagram out the analogy so you can follow it this time.

 

There's no reason to get upset over a false log => There's no equipment saving reason to use a screen saver because technology has changed

 

Telling someone they shouldn't get upset => Telling someone they shouldn't have a screen saver running.

 

With me so far? The first two are similar, and the second two are similar, but the first two are not at all similar to the second two.

I don't know how you could be any more wrong. The first two are in no way similar. The need for a screen saver can be demonstrated. The reason to get upset is a human emotion and can not be dictated by you to another person. Repeat it as much as you like but you are not in charge of telling people what they should or should not be upset by. Totally bogus.

[Mushtang]

The reason to get upset is a human emotion and can not be dictated by you to another person. Repeat it as much as you like but you are not in charge of telling people what they should or should not be upset by. Totally bogus.

I haven't been trying to tell people what they should or should not be upset by. I've told you that over and over and over yet you still accuse me of it and keep trying to convince me that I am. And you wonder why I think you're attacking me???

 

I said I didn't understand something. I did NOT tell others what they should feel about it.

I asked why someone felt a certain way, but that's clearly not the same as saying they shouldn't have their opinion.

Perhaps if I keep saying that I'm NOT trying to tell people that they shouldn't get upset by a fake log on someone else's cache, eventually people will stop saying that I AM suggesting that?

I don't think anyone else here has ever tried to tell them they shouldn't feel that way either.

I'm not telling someone not to get upset about it, I just don't understand why they'd choose to get upset.

 

For some reason you're still telling me that I want to tell people what to get upset about even though I've stated repeatedly that this is not what I'm saying. If you haven't gotten it by now, you never will. Since I expect nothing more than hounding from you, and I've grown bored defending myself against your attacks, I'm done with you in this thread. Good day sir.

[+Vinny & Sue Team]

The reason to get upset is a human emotion and can not be dictated by you to another person. Repeat it as much as you like but you are not in charge of telling people what they should or should not be upset by. Totally bogus.

I haven't been trying to tell people what they should or should not be upset by. I've told you that over and over and over yet you still accuse me of it and keep trying to convince me that I am. And you wonder why I think you're attacking me???

 

I said I didn't understand something. I did NOT tell others what they should feel about it.

I asked why someone felt a certain way, but that's clearly not the same as saying they shouldn't have their opinion.

Perhaps if I keep saying that I'm NOT trying to tell people that they shouldn't get upset by a fake log on someone else's cache, eventually people will stop saying that I AM suggesting that?

I don't think anyone else here has ever tried to tell them they shouldn't feel that way either.

I'm not telling someone not to get upset about it, I just don't understand why they'd choose to get upset.

 

For some reason you're still telling me that I want to tell people what to get upset about even though I've stated repeatedly that this is not what I'm saying. If you haven't gotten it by now, you never will. Since I expect nothing more than hounding from you, and I've grown bored defending myself against your attacks, I'm done with you in this thread. Good day sir.

Frankly, Mushtang, I have been extremely surprised that you and Sbell111, and a few others, have EVER bothered to take this poster's posts in this thread seriously, once you had seen the pattern and meta-message discernible, and actually very obvious, after just his first few posts had appeared within the thread.

[+sbell111]

The reason to get upset is a human emotion and can not be dictated by you to another person. Repeat it as much as you like but you are not in charge of telling people what they should or should not be upset by. Totally bogus.

I haven't been trying to tell people what they should or should not be upset by. I've told you that over and over and over yet you still accuse me of it and keep trying to convince me that I am. And you wonder why I think you're attacking me???

 

I said I didn't understand something. I did NOT tell others what they should feel about it.

I asked why someone felt a certain way, but that's clearly not the same as saying they shouldn't have their opinion.

Perhaps if I keep saying that I'm NOT trying to tell people that they shouldn't get upset by a fake log on someone else's cache, eventually people will stop saying that I AM suggesting that?

I don't think anyone else here has ever tried to tell them they shouldn't feel that way either.

I'm not telling someone not to get upset about it, I just don't understand why they'd choose to get upset.

 

For some reason you're still telling me that I want to tell people what to get upset about even though I've stated repeatedly that this is not what I'm saying. If you haven't gotten it by now, you never will. Since I expect nothing more than hounding from you, and I've grown bored defending myself against your attacks, I'm done with you in this thread. Good day sir.

Frankly, Mushtang, I have been extremely surprised that you and Sbell111, and a few others, have EVER bothered to take this poster's posts in this thread seriously, once you had seen the pattern and meta-message discernible, and actually very obvious, after just his first few posts had appeared within the thread.

I blame it on poor self control. I have a very hard time not responding.

[Mushtang]

Frankly, Mushtang, I have been extremely surprised that you and Sbell111, and a few others, have EVER bothered to take this poster's posts in this thread seriously, once you had seen the pattern and meta-message discernible, and actually very obvious, after just his first few posts had appeared within the thread.

I agree with Sbell, it's mostly poor self control. It's hard not to correct someone when they accuse you of something that you've just said the opposite of.

 

It's also led to a few fun private emails from folks telling me how funny it is that these people just can't seem to grasp simple ideas. I wish more people would just speak up in the forums but the emails are fun too.

 

Either way, I'm done with this particular broken record poster.

[+Vinny & Sue Team]

Frankly, Mushtang, I have been extremely surprised that you and Sbell111, and a few others, have EVER bothered to take this poster's posts in this thread seriously, once you had seen the pattern and meta-message discernible, and actually very obvious, after just his first few posts had appeared within the thread.

I agree with Sbell, it's mostly poor self control. It's hard not to correct someone when they accuse you of something that you've just said the opposite of.

 

It's also led to a few fun private emails from folks telling me how funny it is that these people just can't seem to grasp simple ideas. I wish more people would just speak up in the forums but the emails are fun too.

 

Either way, I'm done with this particular broken record poster.

[schooolmarm mode ON] [stern mode ON] Tsk! Tsk! Mushtang and Sbell111, your lack of self-control has served only to encourage the blatantly troll-like behaviors (such as repeated baiting using grossly untrue misinterpretation of the words of other posters) of a compulsive poster on this forum, to the extent that he at least once sent six consecutive posts in a row in a never-interrupted series, perhaps a record for the forum. Personally, I prefer not to encourage trolls and would never waste my time in arguing with them. In fact, I would even rather sit down on a bench covered with broken glass, with a pair of very large vise-grip pliers and, one by one, pull out each of my toenails, without the use of local anesthetic, and then dip my toes in a big bowl of unrefined Himalayan sea salt, rather than argue with a troll! [schooolmarm mode OFF] [stern mode OFF]

Edited September 12, 2008 by Vinny & Sue Team

[+KBI]

False logging happens. It is part of the game, but it is a part that is so tiny that I don't really feel affected.

I haven't gone back to reread your posts on the subject so I don't want to put words into your mouth. Some people agree as you stated above, but they find themselves unable to let others have a different opinion.

Really? Who?

 

Who here has challenged another forum participant's right to have his own opinion?

[+traildad]

False logging happens. It is part of the game, but it is a part that is so tiny that I don't really feel affected.

I haven't gone back to reread your posts on the subject so I don't want to put words into your mouth. Some people agree as you stated above, but they find themselves unable to let others have a different opinion.

Really? Who?

 

Who here has challenged another forum participant's right to have his own opinion?

I don't think I said anyone challenged anyone.

[+traildad]

 

[schooolmarm mode ON] [stern mode ON] Tsk! Tsk! Mushtang and Sbell111, your lack of self-control has served only to encourage the blatantly troll-like behaviors (such as repeated baiting using grossly untrue misinterpretation of the words of other posters) of a compulsive poster on this forum, to the extent that he at least once sent six consecutive posts in a row in a never-interrupted series, perhaps a record for the forum.

Gee again I am so sorry that I can't always be here to post my response at the same time your posts are made. I do have a life and I can only catch up when I have time.

[+sbell111]

False logging happens. It is part of the game, but it is a part that is so tiny that I don't really feel affected.

I haven't gone back to reread your posts on the subject so I don't want to put words into your mouth. Some people agree as you stated above, but they find themselves unable to let others have a different opinion.

Really? Who?

 

Who here has challenged another forum participant's right to have his own opinion?

I don't think I said anyone challenged anyone.

I hope this helped. Edited September 12, 2008 by sbell111

[+traildad]

 

For some reason you're still telling me that I want to tell people what to get upset about even though I've stated repeatedly that this is not what I'm saying. If you haven't gotten it by now, you never will. Since I expect nothing more than hounding from you, and I've grown bored defending myself against your attacks, I'm done with you in this thread. Good day sir.

Well if you haven't figured it out by now I guess you never will. Most everyone knows that it is very easy to imply one thing while saying another. In person it can be done with tone of voice and facial expressions. Maybe you need to change the words you use if you are not having success getting people to believe you.

 

"Good day sir." That always reminds me of Tootsie.

 

Good day to you as well.

[+traildad]

Well I have a life and I must do things more entertaining. You can agree with each other and all the folks who only email in private. When I come back I hope to see that this topic is dead. I look forward to challenging your beliefs and statements in future topics. thanks

[+sbell111]

 

For some reason you're still telling me that I want to tell people what to get upset about even though I've stated repeatedly that this is not what I'm saying. If you haven't gotten it by now, you never will. Since I expect nothing more than hounding from you, and I've grown bored defending myself against your attacks, I'm done with you in this thread. Good day sir.

Well if you haven't figured it out by now I guess you never will. Most everyone knows that it is very easy to imply one thing while saying another. In person it can be done with tone of voice and facial expressions. Maybe you need to change the words you use if you are not having success getting people to believe you.

 

"Good day sir." That always reminds me of Tootsie.

 

Good day to you as well.

Since we can't see each other, we are left with the assumption that what is typed is what is meant. If you read more into it, you do it at your peril.

Edited September 12, 2008 by sbell111

[Mushtang]

For some reason you're still telling me that I want to tell people what to get upset about even though I've stated repeatedly that this is not what I'm saying. If you haven't gotten it by now, you never will. Since I expect nothing more than hounding from you, and I've grown bored defending myself against your attacks, I'm done with you in this thread. Good day sir.

Well if you haven't figured it out by now I guess you never will. Most everyone knows that it is very easy to imply one thing while saying another. In person it can be done with tone of voice and facial expressions. Maybe you need to change the words you use if you are not having success getting people to believe you.

 

"Good day sir." That always reminds me of Tootsie.

 

Good day to you as well.

Since we can't see each other, we are left with the assumption that what is typed is what is meant. If you read more into it, you do it at your peril.

Sbell once again sees through all the garbage and strikes gold. That's awesome!

[+KBI]

The reason to get upset is a human emotion and can not be dictated by you to another person. Repeat it as much as you like but you are not in charge of telling people what they should or should not be upset by. Totally bogus.

I haven't been trying to tell people what they should or should not be upset by. I've told you that over and over and over yet you still accuse me of it and keep trying to convince me that I am. And you wonder why I think you're attacking me???

 

I said I didn't understand something. I did NOT tell others what they should feel about it.

I asked why someone felt a certain way, but that's clearly not the same as saying they shouldn't have their opinion.

Perhaps if I keep saying that I'm NOT trying to tell people that they shouldn't get upset by a fake log on someone else's cache, eventually people will stop saying that I AM suggesting that?

I don't think anyone else here has ever tried to tell them they shouldn't feel that way either.

I'm not telling someone not to get upset about it, I just don't understand why they'd choose to get upset.

 

For some reason you're still telling me that I want to tell people what to get upset about even though I've stated repeatedly that this is not what I'm saying. If you haven't gotten it by now, you never will. Since I expect nothing more than hounding from you, and I've grown bored defending myself against your attacks, I'm done with you in this thread. Good day sir.

Frankly, Mushtang, I have been extremely surprised that you and Sbell111, and a few others, have EVER bothered to take this poster's posts in this thread seriously, once you had seen the pattern and meta-message discernible, and actually very obvious, after just his first few posts had appeared within the thread.

I gave up on him already. He had a hard time letting me let him go, though.

[+KBI]

False logging happens. It is part of the game, but it is a part that is so tiny that I don't really feel affected.

I haven't gone back to reread your posts on the subject so I don't want to put words into your mouth. Some people agree as you stated above, but they find themselves unable to let others have a different opinion.

Really? Who?

 

Who here has challenged another forum participant's right to have his own opinion?

I don't think I said anyone challenged anyone.

I hope this helped.

Don't hold your breath.

 

It is ironic though, isn’t it?

 

Isn’t it ironic that he insists on telling others what they are really thinking and saying – despite repeated explanations to the contrary – while simultaneously disowning very clear and unambiguous words of his own?

[+tozainamboku]

THAT does it!

 

240 posts and not an ice cream analogy in the WHOLE BUNCH! Now....is that pitiful or WHAT???!!

I've been trying to come up with a ice cream analogy but it's tough. Here's an attempt that may or may not work.

It is interesting but I don't think you took it to it's conclusion. I really couldn't tell if it supported falsely selling people yogurt while charging for ice cream or not.

I don't recall anything about selling people yogurt while charging for ice cream.

 

 

Well if you haven't figured it out by now I guess you never will. Most everyone knows that it is very easy to imply one thing while saying another.

Oooh! I get it now. I implied that the customer was charged for ice cream even though all I said was that Jimmy Bob gave the customer frozen yogurt and told him that it was ice cream.

Edited September 13, 2008 by tozainamboku

[4wheelin_fool]

I don't understand why anyone would choose to get upset by participating in this thread, and if they do they are just wrong.

 

But that's just my opinion.

Edited September 13, 2008 by 4wheelin_fool

[+traildad]

 

For some reason you're still telling me that I want to tell people what to get upset about even though I've stated repeatedly that this is not what I'm saying. If you haven't gotten it by now, you never will. Since I expect nothing more than hounding from you, and I've grown bored defending myself against your attacks, I'm done with you in this thread. Good day sir.

Well if you haven't figured it out by now I guess you never will. Most everyone knows that it is very easy to imply one thing while saying another. In person it can be done with tone of voice and facial expressions. Maybe you need to change the words you use if you are not having success getting people to believe you.

 

"Good day sir." That always reminds me of Tootsie.

 

Good day to you as well.

Since we can't see each other, we are left with the assumption that what is typed is what is meant. If you read more into it, you do it at your peril.

I guess you guys do want this thread to continue.

 

Read more into it? How do you know I am not reading less into it. That really is a silly statement. The posters here can't even abide by the definition of condone, how can they claim to mean every word they write is meant to be taken literally. Once you put them together in a sentence and a paragraph there is no way that there is always going to be one and only one possible meaning for your words. It is possible that I have been giving you guys too much credit as I read your words. I will try to restrain myself in the future.

[+sbell111]

For some reason you're still telling me that I want to tell people what to get upset about even though I've stated repeatedly that this is not what I'm saying. If you haven't gotten it by now, you never will. Since I expect nothing more than hounding from you, and I've grown bored defending myself against your attacks, I'm done with you in this thread. Good day sir.

Well if you haven't figured it out by now I guess you never will. Most everyone knows that it is very easy to imply one thing while saying another. In person it can be done with tone of voice and facial expressions. Maybe you need to change the words you use if you are not having success getting people to believe you.

 

"Good day sir." That always reminds me of Tootsie.

 

Good day to you as well.

Since we can't see each other, we are left with the assumption that what is typed is what is meant. If you read more into it, you do it at your peril.

I guess you guys do want this thread to continue.

 

Read more into it? How do you know I am not reading less into it. That really is a silly statement. The posters here can't even abide by the definition of condone, how can they claim to mean every word they write is meant to be taken literally. Once you put them together in a sentence and a paragraph there is no way that there is always going to be one and only one possible meaning for your words. It is possible that I have been giving you guys too much credit as I read your words. I will try to restrain myself in the future.

Ummm, you did write the post that I was responding to, correct? Did you read it???

 

The referenced post appears to be making the case that you mistook Mushtang's position because you were reading more into his posts than was written.

 

BTW, I enjoyed this: "how can they claim to mean every word they write is meant to be taken literally". I think that the point of my post could be parsed down to "only the words that we write are meant to be taken literally". In other words, don't try to fill in the blanks. If you don't understand something, ask questions. This is a forum.

Edited September 15, 2008 by sbell111

[+traildad]

For some reason you're still telling me that I want to tell people what to get upset about even though I've stated repeatedly that this is not what I'm saying. If you haven't gotten it by now, you never will. Since I expect nothing more than hounding from you, and I've grown bored defending myself against your attacks, I'm done with you in this thread. Good day sir.

Well if you haven't figured it out by now I guess you never will. Most everyone knows that it is very easy to imply one thing while saying another. In person it can be done with tone of voice and facial expressions. Maybe you need to change the words you use if you are not having success getting people to believe you.

 

"Good day sir." That always reminds me of Tootsie.

 

Good day to you as well.

Since we can't see each other, we are left with the assumption that what is typed is what is meant. If you read more into it, you do it at your peril.

Sbell once again sees through all the garbage and strikes gold. That's awesome!

If that is such a wonderful golden nugget, why has this been written?

 

Well I did look in several other dictionaries and they had slightly different meanings of condone from your dictionary.

 

to disregard or overlook

To overlook, forgive, or disregard (an offense) without protest or censure.

excuse, overlook, or make allowances for; be lenient with; "excuse someone's behavior"

Several others say it means to forgive or pardon.

 

So in fact many dictionaries don't say anything about regarding something as harmless. But you found one that did so I guess it must mean that too.

 

The other issue is agreeing to what action is being condoned.

And this,

If others choose to audit their cache logs and get upset about false logs I don't try to tell them they shouldn't feel that way.

I don't think anyone else here has ever tried to tell them they shouldn't feel that way either.

Be careful, I have most definitely said that bogus logs don't hurt anyone, and if they're left on a cache it's not something to be upset about, ...

I think this is pretty close to telling people that they shouldn't be upset by bogus logs. Parse it how you want to but that is the way I take it.

Pretty close... but no cigar. Pointing out there's not a need, or a requirement, for something isn't the same as telling someone they shouldn't do it.

 

I can see how you would see it otherwise though. I probably would have phrased it differently if I'd read it over thinking about it that way.

[Mushtang]

...blah blah blah...

I said good day sir!

[Dinoprophet]

"Good day sir." That always reminds me of Tootsie.

I said good day sir!

Oh! Willy Wonka!

[+sbell111]

For some reason you're still telling me that I want to tell people what to get upset about even though I've stated repeatedly that this is not what I'm saying. If you haven't gotten it by now, you never will. Since I expect nothing more than hounding from you, and I've grown bored defending myself against your attacks, I'm done with you in this thread. Good day sir.

Well if you haven't figured it out by now I guess you never will. Most everyone knows that it is very easy to imply one thing while saying another. In person it can be done with tone of voice and facial expressions. Maybe you need to change the words you use if you are not having success getting people to believe you.

 

"Good day sir." That always reminds me of Tootsie.

 

Good day to you as well.

Since we can't see each other, we are left with the assumption that what is typed is what is meant. If you read more into it, you do it at your peril.

Sbell once again sees through all the garbage and strikes gold. That's awesome!

If that is such a wonderful golden nugget, why has this been written?

 

<post by Mr T and an excerpt of the traildad/Mushtang do-si-do snipped>

I don't see how either of those posts have anything to do with you assuming that people are implying something that they don't post and then arguing against that non-stated position. Edited September 15, 2008 by sbell111

[+ReadyOrNot]

...blah blah blah...

I said good day sir!

 

Don't forget to blow your whistle to summon the midgets with haemolytic anaemia.

[+traildad]

I don't see how either of those posts have anything to do with you assuming that people are implying something that they don't post and then arguing against that non-stated position.

Well this is what you wrote and this is what I was responding to...

Since we can't see each other, we are left with the assumption that what is typed is what is meant. If you read more into it, you do it at your peril.

Where does anyone say anything about implying something that they don't post and then arguing against that non-stated position. The post was about the difficulty of not always being able to understand what someone means when they post on a forum. I am sure you know full well that is the case. This begins to look like a new example of replying to someone and twisting things in the hope of confusing things so you can appear "right". The two quotes were very good examples of people admitting that 1. words have more than one meaning and 2. they themselves would have phrased things differently to try to better get across their point. Your pure gold nugget was knocked out of the park, so what can you say to answer... confuse and obfuscate.

[+traildad]

I said good day sir!

Good day to you as well. It seems that you have had the wind taken out of your sails. I am glad that you have no bad feelings and you can still wish me a good day.