cache container paritally buried

[+wandererrob]

Not directed at anyone..

 

If the soil in my area is soft or sandy enough for me to dig a hole with my hands and place my cache exactly like the OP is that an OK hide?

 

I'd suggest not doing so only because it may encourage similar hides by folks that don't know you didn't need a pointy thing to dig it.

[+TrailGators]

I figure the guidelines need some bending. If you can put a cache up a tree so that you need someone agile to climb it to retrieve it, or in a remote control sub and sink it in a lake, or need a PADI ticket, or require the finder to use extra equipment like canoes or climbing gear, I figure something under a stone that is marked with something that shows it is a geocache should be just as legal. Not everyone has access or the ability to do every cache that is out there.

 

What shouldn't be legal is if the finders have to use a shovel to find it, especially if its on land you rent or own outright. But to ban them outright, then you should ban all the others that aren't simply a "walk up to the cache and find it." My goal as a hider is to hide caches that are easy for children to find, no higher than two metres off the ground unless there is a way to retrieve it without climbing and nothing smaller than a key hider so that there will always be room to hide something in it other than the log.

 

The point of the guideline has nothing to do with the ease or difficulty of finding the caches. It's because most land managers do not want us digging up the parks. It is irrelevant whether the digging is done to hide or find the cache.

 

Since that is the point of the guideline is to prevent digging, it's easy to figure out which hides are OK and which are violations.

 

For example, I have a cache that was placed in an existing depression and covered with bark and stones. Is it buried? Technically yes. But is it a guideline violation? No.

 

Now if I had dug a hole for the container, leaving the lid exposed. Is it buried? Technically no. Is it a guideline violation? Absolutely.

 

It all comes down to this. Did you have to dig a hole to place the cache? If yes, it is a violation. If no, then it probably isn't.

 

It doesn't matter if you're "for partially buried caches". It doesn't matter if you "personally, think its fine". It doesn't matter that you've seen others like that. It doesn't matter that Dave Ulmer's original stash was partially buried. It is a guideline violation period.

I agree but I think this is a problem area for geocaching. This is probably the most overlooked and misunderstood guideline.

[vtmtnman]

 

It doesn't matter if you're "for partially buried caches". It doesn't matter if you "personally, think its fine". It doesn't matter that you've seen others like that. It doesn't matter that Dave Ulmer's original stash was partially buried. It is a guideline violation period.

If you're referring to my standpoint,I'm well aware it's a guideline violation.All I'm saying is I would LIKE to be able to do it,but accept the fact that I can't.

[+laughingcat]

someone mentioned sprinkler heads. so seriously, would they fall into this partially buried category? there was some mention of a pvc pipe cache in CO I think that had to be archived? What about pvc pipe that is pushed into the ground with the top showing? This is being done a lot so needs to be addressed specifically.

[+TexasGringo]

***someone mentioned sprinkler heads. so seriously, would they fall into this partially buried category? there was some mention of a pvc pipe cache in CO I think that had to be archived? What about pvc pipe that is pushed into the ground with the top showing? This is being done a lot so needs to be addressed specifically.***

 

I just did one of these yesterday...it was a new one, approved on 7/12/2007.

[+jwe4i]

sounds like its buried to me...which is not allowed...

[+JohnnyVegas]

Just curious, did you check a box that said:

 

Yes. I have read and understand the guidelines for listing a cache.

 

when you submitted this cache?

In all fairness, who does that?

I read the guidlines from time to time. I also go caching with one on the local reviewers from time to time and he has let me know in the past when changes are made.

[+JohnnyVegas]

***someone mentioned sprinkler heads. so seriously, would they fall into this partially buried category? there was some mention of a pvc pipe cache in CO I think that had to be archived? What about pvc pipe that is pushed into the ground with the top showing? This is being done a lot so needs to be addressed specifically.***

 

I just did one of these yesterday...it was a new one, approved on 7/12/2007.

You had to penetrate the ground so it sounds like a bad hide.

[Clan Riffster]

If the soil in my area is soft or sandy enough for me to dig a hole with my hands and place my cache exactly like the OP is that an OK hide?

As long as your hands aren't "pointy". I'd say you were OK.

[+bobseeker]

I'm glad I found this thread. I'm relatively new to geocaching, obviously new to the forums and just hid my second ( it is not published yet). It's a partially buried ammo box, in the woods, covered by a section of rotting log. The hole was already there, but I did push down on the box to seat it lower in the hole. It's easily removed with no tools. However.. the pointy corners did displace some soil.

 

I see there are many shades of gray here, but you know what? I'm gonna change the hide. Even though I didn't technically dig.... or maybe I did..... either way; It might have the appearance that the hole was dug for the hide and that's enough to potentially cause problems.

[+TrailGators]

I'm glad I found this thread. I'm relatively new to geocaching, obviously new to the forums and just hid my second ( it is not published yet). It's a partially buried ammo box, in the woods, covered by a section of rotting log. The hole was already there, but I did push down on the box to seat it lower in the hole. It's easily removed with no tools. However.. the pointy corners did displace some soil.

 

I see there are many shades of gray here, but you know what? I'm gonna change the hide. Even though I didn't technically dig.... or maybe I did..... either way; It might have the appearance that the hole was dug for the hide and that's enough to potentially cause problems.

 

[+gh patriot]

I think that we should ban all animals from parks that dig holes to live in or store food like squirrels. They shouldn't be permitted either because they also can destroy the park.