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If tidy couldn't make sense of your cache pages, other readers (browsers, plucker, GSAK, etc.) probably couldn't, either.

 

The first cache page of yours I looked at was "Jeepers" which linked the background to http://img.Groundspeak.com/cache/5e562ed3-...7c495704f0a.jpg and it displays it exactly as that image appears. I'd consider your source to be "sideways" but it's rendering it exactly as I'd expect.

 

If you could offer examples of a cache page that you feel is "damaged" by tidy you could get more constructive help on fixing the offending markup.

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I don't mean to flame or get pissed off, but if something like this, especially after all the finds you have, makes you quit geocaching, then I don't think many of us will miss you. Caching is about the outdoors, the hunt, the sport of it, not about html or wrong backgrounds. Those can be fixed, those are no big deal. I would even happily help you. It's like cutting off your hand to fix a papercut on your finger.

If you do actually quit, good bye, if you want help, I'm here for you.

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1 1/2 hours between posting and quitting. Is that a record? Heck, I didn't even see the post to know how to fix "it" - whatever "it" was. Sorry to hear whatever trouble you had. We'll try to be more responsive in the future.

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Jeremy,

 

HTML tidy affected some of his cache pages, including background sounds, if I recall the post correctly. If one wishes to quit geocaching over an effort to correct improper formatting on cache pages, well, you can't please everyone.

 

If people ARE having trouble with their cache page HTML, there are many, many people on this forum who are more than happy to help out.

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Let me re-recommend HTML Kit, a freeware HTML editor that has HTML Tidy built in. It's not a WYSIWYG editor, but it has templates, syntax highlighting, and many other features that make writing HTML easy, and it's easy to preview your results in a variety of browsers. I use it to write my cache pages offline, validate them with HTML Tidy, and the copy and paste the content into the textbox on the cache edit page.

 

Works like a charm. After all the hoopla, I went and edited most of my cache pages. None of them changed at all.

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A check box to turn off the mandatory runinng of html tidy would be certainly nice...

You mean during cache page editing, before the cache page is made publicly available, or you mean allowing it to be turned off for approved caches?

 

I can buy the former, but I wuold not be so happy with the latter.

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Why would you want to turn off something that is designed to fix any errors that you make.

 

That reminds me of emails that I get at work.  Our email application has spell check built in, yet I keep getting internal emails with horrific typos in them.

It's not designed to fix the errors, it is designed to limit the damage, caused by improper HTML, to that section of HTML instead of leaking the problems into and destroying the surrounding page layout.

 

It is possible that HTML-Tidy is going too far or has actually bugs. So the real question is if the OP's cache descriptions are proper and clean HTML, damaged by HTML-Tidy, or if his pages do contain errors that HTML-Tidy correctly detected (as designed) and which he needs to fix. To answer that question, I would yet have to look at an example of the HTML he created and what HTML-Tidy did to it.

 

And yeah, there is the The Spelling Checker Song

 

Jan

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... To answer that question, I would yet have to look at an example of the HTML he created and what HTML-Tidy did to it.

Out of curiosity I had to look at some of the OP's cache pages. There are for sure problems in his HTML, to say the least. For example, that <body> tag inside the long description might do something cool in some browsers, but it turns the whole page into NON-HTML because it is plain wrong.

 

There have been offers from others to help him fix the problems, but instead he decided to edit out all content from his posts to other threads and sit upset in the corner. I assume he had a really bad day and it is probably the best to just wait until he cools off.

 

Jan

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Something is preventing me from uploading modifications to my cache listing, even though I am reasonably sure that the html is good...when I load the changes and view the new page, it still has the old code...for those in the know...here is the code I want to have one the page

<html>

<head>

<title>Constance's Cache (Rupert's Revenge)</title>

</head>

 

<body bgcolor="#fafbe1" text="#000000" link="#0000ff" vlink="#0000ff" alink="#0000ff">

<div align="center">

<table width="90%" border="3" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="8"

bgcolor="#F5F1D6" bordercolor="#000000">

<tr>

<td>

<font size="+1"><div align="right">7/24/05</div>

<p>Hi Constance...here it is,</p>

<p>You're reading this listing on the geek site because I got

tagged for the Yonkers thing (you know, the one where we were going

after those things in the vault under the place near where those

poodles bit Lucky that time...you had the brains to skip that job),

and I'm cooling my heels at Riker's for the foreseeable future. We

had some fun that time in Belize, with the emerald guy and his

monkey at the beach house...proved yourself trustworthy too, so I'm

gonna give you the 411 on some boodle from an earlier job, one you

weren't in on. After you turn it into money (use the fat man in

Bostom for the stones, and the guy with the bum leg in Newport for

the rest of the stuff...good luck with the meteorite), send my

lawyer in NYC 30k for ongoing appeals, and enjoy the rest.</p>

<p>This private collection we hit in Harpswell 8 months ago was

fat, and I guess the size of the haul diminished the sharing

capabilities of Big Mo and Stuttering Stan (I saw them exchange

some significant looks when we made the initial count while we were

laying low that made me fear for my longevity); so I pulled a "dash

and stash" while everyone else was sleeping off the party after the

job (Mo and Stan may have subsequently questioned my sharing

capabilities, but what are you gonna do?). I chartered a plane to

SLK, hid the stuff, and was airborne again (and crusing towards the

Bahamas) before Mo and Stan woke up. I sold some of the haul that

wouldn't stand up to a winter in the Adirondacks, but the prime

stuff is still there: valuable coins, rubies, emerald, sapphires,

diamonds, tricky stamps, and the Van de Kamp Meteorite.</p>

<p>Big Mo and Stuttering Stan weren't happy when they woke up to

find that I had disappeared with the booty, but I left a trail even

they could follow, and as such you won't need to look over your

shoulder for them once you grab the stuff. My leftovers from Zach's

cache and the profits from selling stuff from this job will keep me

comfortable inside for the whole time (the Yonkers job got messy

when Handsome Billy chilled a guard too enthusiastically, so I'm

down for Murder one…death in the commission of a felony...yadda,

yadda, yadda). Have fun with your newfound wealth, you more than

earned it that time in the Caymans, with the things in that place

with the paintings and Stinky Phil stubbed his toe ('nuff

said)...I'll look you up if I get out.</p>

<p>I used the same guy Zach did in the Adirondacks to set up the

cache listing for the booty, the setup is pretty much the same as I

described to you before; he's been paid, so all you have to do is

figure out the code, and go pick up your stuff. This encryption

scheme is a little different from Zach's code, not numbers based,

but you'll get it with some T&E work. You can break the

encryption using just your knowledge of working vigenere

cryptograms (a-z, comma, period, 1-9), a pad of graph paper, and a

printout of this listing. No knowledge of mathematical sequences or

memories of past discussions of our favorite books is required,

just crunch the listing. Everything you need to get started is

below the line at the bottom of this page; the rest will come from

your own hard work.</p>

<p>Once you've decrypted the message, find your way to Saranac Lake

in Upstate NY, and look up Snuffy Muldoon, from the thing in

Concord that time with those guys from Saskatoon in that place by

the big clock...he'll set you up with a place to crash and any gear

you need, and he won't rip you off, he owes me. The coordinates

given in the cache listing are not the final coordinates, they are

simply the coordinates of a place to gas up and grab some supplies

before you go after the loot.</p>

<p>Rupert</p>

<hr>

<p><b><u>Encryption:</u></b> The cryptogram makes use of a modified

Vigenere utilizing letters, commas, periods, and numbers.</p>

<div align="center">fu376cp9yg9ngg2f4rph<br>

,1c4df3w88ju8uzlrvv3h<br>

61rw6vnmprx9e12nu154h<br>

wg,1uq4huii.q664jpe5k<br>

dr,7x14lc4jezuojy3xrm<br>

l2v69drm7j312boi7rbb5<br>

ci1z,exssxyelte61abmi<br>

3n12i3hy..va769jl,yc4<br>

mt12nfeuie683e1k425.o<br>

ddlws6ovhru7xlwh5ts26<br>

q6z4lzrixusn.yttr9xmq<br>

gs4a4wfu77k.pgr</div></td></tr></font></table></div>

 

 

</body>

 

</html>

I've tried it with and without the <HTML> and <BODY> tags, but the listing still show the old html, even after loading the new stuff...HELP!!!

 

the cache I'm trying to change is here

 

nfa-jamie

Edited by NFA
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HTML Tidy found several problems with the HTML in that, but nothing it couldn't fix. Biggest problems were with FONT tags. Don't use the HTML or BODY tags in your cache pages. Are you sure that the page wasn't changed? Even when you went back to the edit page? Because sometimes you can change the page and it won't change in the cache, either in your browser or at the site.

 

Here's the corrected code that TIDY returned. There is no reason it shouldn't work:

 

<div align="center">
<table width="90%" border="3" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="8"
bgcolor="#F5F1D6" bordercolor="#000000">
<tr>
<td>
<div align="right"><font size="+1">7/24/05</font></div>
<p>Hi Constance...here it is,</p>
<p>You're reading this listing on the geek site because I got
tagged for the Yonkers thing (you know, the one where we were
going after those things in the vault under the place near where
those poodles bit Lucky that time...you had the brains to skip
that job), and I'm cooling my heels at Riker's for the
foreseeable future. We had some fun that time in Belize, with the
emerald guy and his monkey at the beach house...proved yourself
trustworthy too, so I'm gonna give you the 411 on some boodle
from an earlier job, one you weren't in on. After you turn it
into money (use the fat man in Bostom for the stones, and the guy
with the bum leg in Newport for the rest of the stuff...good luck
with the meteorite), send my lawyer in NYC 30k for ongoing
appeals, and enjoy the rest.</p>
<p>This private collection we hit in Harpswell 8 months ago was
fat, and I guess the size of the haul diminished the sharing
capabilities of Big Mo and Stuttering Stan (I saw them exchange
some significant looks when we made the initial count while we
were laying low that made me fear for my longevity); so I pulled
a "dash and stash" while everyone else was sleeping off the party
after the job (Mo and Stan may have subsequently questioned my
sharing capabilities, but what are you gonna do?). I chartered a
plane to SLK, hid the stuff, and was airborne again (and crusing
towards the Bahamas) before Mo and Stan woke up. I sold some of
the haul that wouldn't stand up to a winter in the Adirondacks,
but the prime stuff is still there: valuable coins, rubies,
emerald, sapphires, diamonds, tricky stamps, and the Van de Kamp
Meteorite.</p>
<p>Big Mo and Stuttering Stan weren't happy when they woke up to
find that I had disappeared with the booty, but I left a trail
even they could follow, and as such you won't need to look over
your shoulder for them once you grab the stuff. My leftovers from
Zach's cache and the profits from selling stuff from this job
will keep me comfortable inside for the whole time (the Yonkers
job got messy when Handsome Billy chilled a guard too
enthusiastically, so I'm down for Murder one…death in the
commission of a felony...yadda, yadda, yadda). Have fun with your
newfound wealth, you more than earned it that time in the
Caymans, with the things in that place with the paintings and
Stinky Phil stubbed his toe ('nuff said)...I'll look you up if I
get out.</p>
<p>I used the same guy Zach did in the Adirondacks to set up the
cache listing for the booty, the setup is pretty much the same as
I described to you before; he's been paid, so all you have to do
is figure out the code, and go pick up your stuff. This
encryption scheme is a little different from Zach's code, not
numbers based, but you'll get it with some T&E work. You can
break the encryption using just your knowledge of working
vigenere cryptograms (a-z, comma, period, 1-9), a pad of graph
paper, and a printout of this listing. No knowledge of
mathematical sequences or memories of past discussions of our
favorite books is required, just crunch the listing. Everything
you need to get started is below the line at the bottom of this
page; the rest will come from your own hard work.</p>
<p>Once you've decrypted the message, find your way to Saranac
Lake in Upstate NY, and look up Snuffy Muldoon, from the thing in
Concord that time with those guys from Saskatoon in that place by
the big clock...he'll set you up with a place to crash and any
gear you need, and he won't rip you off, he owes me. The
coordinates given in the cache listing are not the final
coordinates, they are simply the coordinates of a place to gas up
and grab some supplies before you go after the loot.</p>
<p>Rupert</p>
<hr>
<p><b><u>Encryption:</u></b> The cryptogram makes use of a
modified Vigenere utilizing letters, commas, periods, and
numbers.</p>
<div align="center">fu376cp9yg9ngg2f4rph<br>
,1c4df3w88ju8uzlrvv3h<br>
61rw6vnmprx9e12nu154h<br>
wg,1uq4huii.q664jpe5k<br>
dr,7x14lc4jezuojy3xrm<br>
l2v69drm7j312boi7rbb5<br>
ci1z,exssxyelte61abmi<br>
3n12i3hy..va769jl,yc4<br>
mt12nfeuie683e1k425.o<br>
ddlws6ovhru7xlwh5ts26<br>
q6z4lzrixusn.yttr9xmq<br>
gs4a4wfu77k.pgr</div>
</td>
</tr>
</table>
</div>

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Something is preventing me from uploading modifications to my cache listing, even though I am reasonably sure that the html is good...when I load the changes and view the new page, it still has the old code...for those in the know...here is the code I want to have one the page

 

 

I've tried it with and without the <HTML> and <BODY> tags, but the listing still show the old html, even after loading the new stuff...HELP!!!

 

the cache I'm trying to change is here

 

nfa-jamie

Did you remember to check the two boxes at the bottom of the form? They have to re-checked [i]every[/i] time you edit the page. If you don't, it won't accept you changes.

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HTML Tidy found several problems with the HTML in that, but nothing it couldn't fix. Biggest problems were with FONT tags. Don't use the HTML or BODY tags in your cache pages. Are you sure that the page wasn't changed? Even when you went back to the edit page? Because sometimes you can change the page and it won't change in the cache, either in your browser or at the site.

 

Here's the corrected code that TIDY returned. There is no reason it shouldn't work:

 

<div align="center">
<table width="90%" border="3" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="8"
bgcolor="#F5F1D6" bordercolor="#000000">
<tr>
<td>
<div align="right"><font size="+1">7/24/05</font></div>
<p>Hi Constance...here it is,</p>
<p>You're reading this listing on the geek site because I got
tagged for the Yonkers thing (you know, the one where we were
going after those things in the vault under the place near where
those poodles bit Lucky that time...you had the brains to skip
that job), and I'm cooling my heels at Riker's for the
foreseeable future. We had some fun that time in Belize, with the
emerald guy and his monkey at the beach house...proved yourself
trustworthy too, so I'm gonna give you the 411 on some boodle
from an earlier job, one you weren't in on. After you turn it
into money (use the fat man in Bostom for the stones, and the guy
with the bum leg in Newport for the rest of the stuff...good luck
with the meteorite), send my lawyer in NYC 30k for ongoing
appeals, and enjoy the rest.</p>
<p>This private collection we hit in Harpswell 8 months ago was
fat, and I guess the size of the haul diminished the sharing
capabilities of Big Mo and Stuttering Stan (I saw them exchange
some significant looks when we made the initial count while we
were laying low that made me fear for my longevity); so I pulled
a "dash and stash" while everyone else was sleeping off the party
after the job (Mo and Stan may have subsequently questioned my
sharing capabilities, but what are you gonna do?). I chartered a
plane to SLK, hid the stuff, and was airborne again (and crusing
towards the Bahamas) before Mo and Stan woke up. I sold some of
the haul that wouldn't stand up to a winter in the Adirondacks,
but the prime stuff is still there: valuable coins, rubies,
emerald, sapphires, diamonds, tricky stamps, and the Van de Kamp
Meteorite.</p>
<p>Big Mo and Stuttering Stan weren't happy when they woke up to
find that I had disappeared with the booty, but I left a trail
even they could follow, and as such you won't need to look over
your shoulder for them once you grab the stuff. My leftovers from
Zach's cache and the profits from selling stuff from this job
will keep me comfortable inside for the whole time (the Yonkers
job got messy when Handsome Billy chilled a guard too
enthusiastically, so I'm down for Murder one…death in the
commission of a felony...yadda, yadda, yadda). Have fun with your
newfound wealth, you more than earned it that time in the
Caymans, with the things in that place with the paintings and
Stinky Phil stubbed his toe ('nuff said)...I'll look you up if I
get out.</p>
<p>I used the same guy Zach did in the Adirondacks to set up the
cache listing for the booty, the setup is pretty much the same as
I described to you before; he's been paid, so all you have to do
is figure out the code, and go pick up your stuff. This
encryption scheme is a little different from Zach's code, not
numbers based, but you'll get it with some T&E work. You can
break the encryption using just your knowledge of working
vigenere cryptograms (a-z, comma, period, 1-9), a pad of graph
paper, and a printout of this listing. No knowledge of
mathematical sequences or memories of past discussions of our
favorite books is required, just crunch the listing. Everything
you need to get started is below the line at the bottom of this
page; the rest will come from your own hard work.</p>
<p>Once you've decrypted the message, find your way to Saranac
Lake in Upstate NY, and look up Snuffy Muldoon, from the thing in
Concord that time with those guys from Saskatoon in that place by
the big clock...he'll set you up with a place to crash and any
gear you need, and he won't rip you off, he owes me. The
coordinates given in the cache listing are not the final
coordinates, they are simply the coordinates of a place to gas up
and grab some supplies before you go after the loot.</p>
<p>Rupert</p>
<hr>
<p><b><u>Encryption:</u></b> The cryptogram makes use of a
modified Vigenere utilizing letters, commas, periods, and
numbers.</p>
<div align="center">fu376cp9yg9ngg2f4rph<br>
,1c4df3w88ju8uzlrvv3h<br>
61rw6vnmprx9e12nu154h<br>
wg,1uq4huii.q664jpe5k<br>
dr,7x14lc4jezuojy3xrm<br>
l2v69drm7j312boi7rbb5<br>
ci1z,exssxyelte61abmi<br>
3n12i3hy..va769jl,yc4<br>
mt12nfeuie683e1k425.o<br>
ddlws6ovhru7xlwh5ts26<br>
q6z4lzrixusn.yttr9xmq<br>
gs4a4wfu77k.pgr</div>
</td>
</tr>
</table>
</div>

thanks...but,

 

I wanted to have the whole message at font size + 1

 

I had the html code without the html and body tags and it didn't work...it kept changing it to what you (also) gave back to me, which results in only the date at the top being font size +1.

 

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

 

un-fun

 

nfa-jamie

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Personally I think enforcing html standards using tidy is a good thing. The only issue I have is if Tidy removes stuff from the entered HTML code and does not give any notification to the user that it has done so. If it could just say what tags or properties were removed, I think that's sufficient.

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OK...I finally got it...it's not pretty, but if sorta works...

 

to make my page work using html tidy, I had to add the desired font size to each and every individual chunk of text in the entire listing...any <P>, <div>, etc would negate the prior font choice...that says html bloat to me, but now that I understand how it works, I can work around this silly addition to the system

 

...is this "solution" from the same people who brought us a Waymarking category of "McDonald's" on our new answer to locationless and virtual caches?

 

Thanks to all of those who offered their help, I appreciate your taking the time to help me with my cache listing.

 

nfa-jamie

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thanks...but,

 

I wanted to have the whole message at font size + 1

 

I had the html code without the html and body tags and it didn't work...it kept changing it to what you (also) gave back to me, which results in only the date at the top being font size +1.

 

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

 

un-fun

 

nfa-jamie

In your orignal code, the <font size="+1"> is inside the <td>, whereas your closing </font> tag is outside the </td> (and the </tr>).

Which is incorrect, so Tidy fixed it.

If you move the </font> to before the </td> it should work as you expect.

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thanks...but, I wanted to have the whole message at font size + 1

You shouldn't carry font size changes over <DIV> tags. They are not guaranteed to "stick." Generally speaking, new <DIV>, new font size specification.

 

So you have to either not use DIV tags or set the font size every time you have one.

 

You can often get away with using <P> tags instead of <DIV> tags. Font sizes usually carry over those.

 

In your case, I think I would wrap the whole thing in one <DIV> tag and use <P> tags for your paragraphs. Not necessarily the most modern style, but then it is kind of hard to use CSS inside a cache description. <_<

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thanks...but, I wanted to have the whole message at font size + 1

You shouldn't carry font size changes over <DIV> tags. They are not guaranteed to "stick." Generally speaking, new <DIV>, new font size specification.

I happen to differ slightly. One should use DIV tags to change font types and sizes:

 

<div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica; font-size: 12px">
<p>
 This is a <b>default</b> paragraph. It inherits the style of the enclosing DIV.
</p>
<p style="font-size: 16px">
 This is a <b>16px</b> paragraph, overriding only font-size.
</p>
<p style="font-size: 9px">
 This is a <b>9px</b> paragraph, overriding font-size again.
</p>
<p>
 This is back to <b>default</b> (12px). It falls back to the enclosing DIV.
</p>
<div style="font-size: 18px;">
<p>
 Here we are in a sub-DIV of <b>18px</b>.
</p>
<table align="center" summary="nothing special">
 <tr><td><p>It doesn't carry over into tables.</p></td></tr>
</table>
<p>
 But it remembers to continue after the table (we're still in the 18px DIV).
</p>
</div>
<p>
 And here again back to the first DIV (12px), still enclosing this paragraph.
</p>
</div>

 

HTML Tidy likes the above with zero warnings/errors. And I think it does more or less exactly what was asked for.

 

Jan

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Hi Jan,

 

Thanks for the example...I didn't know that...my background in html is mostly learn by seeing/stealing/checking to see if the browser likes it. This looks pretty cool...I'll leave the current one, but my future caches with html may make use of this construction.

 

nfa-jamie

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hi guys and gals,

 

I am having trouble getting the following to look correct in the discription part of a cache I am trying to post.

 

I ran the following script in HTML-Kit program and it looks correct there but I just can't get it to look right on the cache page. The image I have in the body shows up fine. I just can't get the paragraphs to separate.

 

Here is what I put in the discription with the code:

 

PLEASE READ THE ENTIRE DISCRIPTION BEFORE HEADING OUT TO FIND ANY CACHES IN THIS SERIES!<p></p>

The cache is hidden inside the Art and Architechture building. YOU MUST GO INTO THE BUILDING TO FIND THE CACHE. IT IS NOT HIDDEN OUTSIDE!<p></p>

The coords will take you to the east entrance of the building. You can enter from any entrance though. Entering from another door will not hinder your hunt.<p></p>

After entering the building, locate the relief sculpture pictured below.

<img src="http://img.Groundspeak.com/cache/f04dee60-6731-4080-8323-b1e258d7d1b7.jpg"align-center="">

While standing facing the sculpture, the cache will be affixed to an object at about 5 o'clock. The container is magnetic, so you shouldn't have much trouble locating where it should be. However, you may have trouble retrieving it without being seen.<p></p>

While you are here, take some time to peruse the various art projects on display or new ones being constructed. The Ewing Gallery is also housed here, so if you have time, it is worth taking a look. Admission is free.<p></p>

The building is open 7 days a week, usually between 7a-11p. <p></p>

DO NOT park in any of the Staff or Commuter parking

lots if you come before 5pm, M-f. You WILL get a ticket.

(trust me on this, I used to be a ticket writer here and them people is vicious!)<p></p>

If you just absolutely have to come on a home football weekend, go to N35 57.274 W83 55.915. If fluffy or itchy is working that day, they may allow you to park IF:<p></p>

1. They are in a good mood (most of the time yes but you never know)<p></p>

2. You stand in the middle of the parking lot and sing, at the top of your lungs, the first verse of "Rocky Top". Don't worry if you are here to cheer on the opposing team. We have song sheets available for you to cheat from.<p></p>

If you do come visit fluffy or itchy on a home game day, you can probably log their RV as a TravelBug. There is a TB tag attached to it. Just be sure there is a vehicle parked at the entrance to the parking that has a GC license tag holder. If not, then neither fluffy nor itchy is working that day.

 

What am I doing wrong?

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A good place to start wouldbe to wrapthe text with the opening and closing <p> tag rather than putting them both after each paragraph. I don't know what you mean by "can't get the paragraphs to separate" so I can't be sure that will be the only thing you need to do.

 

<p>PLEASE READ THE ENTIRE DISCRIPTION BEFORE HEADING OUT TO FIND ANY CACHES IN THIS SERIES!</p>

<p>The cache is hidden inside the Art and Architechture building. YOU MUST GO INTO THE BUILDING TO FIND THE CACHE. IT IS NOT HIDDEN OUTSIDE!</p>

<p>The coords will take you to the east entrance of the building. You can enter from any entrance though. Entering from another door will not hinder your hunt.</p>

<p>After entering the building, locate the relief sculpture pictured below.
<img src="http://img.Groundspeak.com/cache/f04dee60-6731-4080-8323-b1e258d7d1b7.jpg"align-center="">
While standing facing the sculpture, the cache will be affixed to an object at about 5 o'clock. The container is magnetic, so you shouldn't have much trouble locating where it should be. However, you may have trouble retrieving it without being seen.</p>

<p>While you are here, take some time to peruse the various art projects on display or new ones being constructed. The Ewing Gallery is also housed here, so if you have time, it is worth taking a look. Admission is free.</p>

<p>The building is open 7 days a week, usually between 7a-11p.</p>

<p>DO NOT park in any of the Staff or Commuter parking
lots if you come before 5pm, M-f. You WILL get a ticket.
(trust me on this, I used to be a ticket writer here and them people is vicious!)</p>

<p>If you just absolutely have to come on a home football weekend, go to N35 57.274 W83 55.915. If fluffy or itchy is working that day, they may allow you to park IF:</p>

<p>1. They are in a good mood (most of the time yes but you never know)</p>

<p>2. You stand in the middle of the parking lot and sing, at the top of your lungs, the first verse of "Rocky Top". Don't worry if you are here to cheer on the opposing team. We have song sheets available for you to cheat from.</p>

<p>If you do come visit fluffy or itchy on a home game day, you can probably log their RV as a TravelBug. There is a TB tag attached to it. Just be sure there is a vehicle parked at the entrance to the parking that has a GC license tag holder. If not, then neither fluffy nor itchy is working that day.</p>

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