+dhenninger Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 I was looking for local benchmarks and came across this one KV4219 A six inch deep drill hole filled with sulfur. Too bad it appears that some time later it was "blasted". It is very near to a local rock quarry. Anyone ever find a mark like this or an equally strange one? Dave Quote Link to comment
+seventhings Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 (edited) dhenning25 - That's what you get when you search aound the old quarries on/around Garrett's Mountain. Since the station you cite was "not found" by the C&GS in 1932, it is highly unlikely that you would find that mark. But it would be totally cool to post a find for a hole filled with sulphur. I have found about 20 empty holes, but never any filled with sulphur. Of course, they were supposed to have concrete monuments and disks in them. I have looked at the Paterson/Clifton area as a potential hunting area, but thought it not too good. Have found many marks down in Perth Amboy, however. 7 Edited July 23, 2004 by seventhings Quote Link to comment
+rogbarn Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 I was looking for local benchmarks and came across this one KV4219 According to the datasheet, in 1934 the NJGS reported: ACCORDING TO OUR SURVEY THE POINT WAS ON A RIM OF ROCK ABOUT THREE FEET WIDE AT THE TOP AND DROPPING OFF 150 FEET ON BOTH SIDES, THE TOP OF WHICH SHOWS EVERY INDICATION OF HAVING BEEN BLASTED OFF, AND PROVES THAT THE STATION IS DEFINITELY LOST. This kind of wording should be pointed out to Deb Brown with the suggestion that this one could be classified as destroyed. Be sure to include both the PID and the Designation. I have reported several to her from Missouri and she has changed them all to destroyed. I hate to see them go but it helps clean up the database. Quote Link to comment
Z15 Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 (edited) Have not been to this one but RK0487_U.S. NATIONAL GRID SPATIAL ADDRESS: 16TDS6252461375(NAD 83) RK0487_MARKER: Z = SEE DESCRIPTION RK0487_SETTING: 0 = UNSPECIFIED SETTING RK0487_STABILITY: D = MARK OF QUESTIONABLE OR UNKNOWN STABILITY RK0487 RK0487 HISTORY - Date Condition Report By RK0487 HISTORY - 1873 MONUMENTED USLS RK0487 HISTORY - 1955 GOOD CGS RK0487 RK0487 STATION DESCRIPTION RK0487 RK0487'DESCRIBED BY US LAKE SURVEY 1873 RK0487'ABOUT 3 MILES SOUTHWEST OF GRANITE POINT, ON BALD GRANITE KNOB, RK0487'HIGHEST HILL IN VICINITY. MARKED BY BRASS FRUSTUM LEADED INTO SOLID RK0487'ROCK. <gap text> RK0487' RK0487'THE STATION WAS ASSUMED TO HAVE BEEN RECOVERED WHEN THE O-PARTY RK0487'OCCUPIED THIS STATION. THE MARK WHICH WAS OCCUPIED WAS A NAIL RK0487'LEADED INTO A DRILL HOLE IN SOLID ROCK (ALTHO THE ORIGINAL RK0487'DESCRIPTION DESCRIBES THE MARK AS A BRASS RK0487'FRUSTUM LEADED INTO A DRILL HOLE IN SOLID ROCK). RK0487'WHEN COMPUTATIONS WERE FINISHED ON THE STATION IT WAS DETERMINED RK0487'THAT THE POINT OCCUPIED DIFFERED FROM THE OLD GEOGRAPHIC POSITION BY RK0487'42.32 METERS LONGITUDE AND 8.18 METERS LATITUDE. THE OLD STATION RK0487'BEING NORTH AND EAST OF THE POINT OCCUPIED. WHEN THIS WAS RK0487'DISCOVERED, A MAN WAS SENT BACK TO THE STATION TO DETERMINE IF THE RK0487'MARK FOUND WAS A BRASS FRUSTUM OR A NAIL AND TO SEARCH FOR A RK0487'SIMILAR MARK IN THE VICINITY OF THE LOCATION GIVEN ABOVE. IT WAS RK0487'DETERMINED THAT THE MARK OCCUPIED WAS NOT BRASS BUT WAS IRON OR STEEL RK0487'LEADED INTO THE DRILL HOLE. A SEARCH OF THE AREA INDICATED RK0487'DID NOT REVEAL ANOTHER MARK BUT A HOLE WHICH APPEARED TO BE A DRILL RK0487'HOLE WAS FOUND IN A BOULDER. WHETHER THIS BOULDER HAD BEEN RK0487'BEDROCK AND HAD BECOME SEPARATED COULD NOT BE DETERMINED. NO LEAD OR RK0487'BRASS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN USED IN THE MARK WAS FOUND. TIME DID NOT RK0487'PERMIT FURTHER INVESTIGATION. Edited July 23, 2004 by elcamino Quote Link to comment
MarkDuster Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 (edited) ROGBARN SAID:"This kind of wording should be pointed out to Deb Brown with the suggestion that this one could be classified as destroyed. Be sure to include both the PID and the Designation." The surveyor in me says that's right keep the data up to date. ROGBARN SAID:"I hate to see them go but it helps clean up the database." I would hate to report a mark as destroyed and have it removed from the public record never to be seen again. Even marks that have been lost should be kept somewhere just for the historical interest. These are the descriptions I like to see "DESCRIBED BY COAST AND GEODETIC SURVEY 1948 (WRH) THE STATION IS LOCATED ON A SLIGHT RISE ON THE SOUTHWEST SIDE OF STATE HIGHWAY 139, ABOUT 8 MILES, AIRLINE, 8.2 MILES, BY ROAD, SOUTHEAST OF TULELAKE, 200 YARDS WEST OF THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF OLD JAP CONCENTRATION CAMP, 150 YARDS WEST OF MONUMENT TO TWO UNKNOWN SOLDIERS OF INDIAN WAR DAYS The guard tower and water tower are gone. SEE:MW0842ANDMW0852ANDMW0841 Edited July 24, 2004 by MarkDuster Quote Link to comment
+GeckoGeek Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 I would hate to report a mark as destroyed and have it removed from the public record never to be seen again. Even marks that have been lost should be kept somewhere just for the historical interest. It's not removed. Go to the NGS site and do a search for an area. Check off the box for including destroyed marks. Now you can see them and read the datasheets. Quote Link to comment
mloser Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 MarkDuster, I am pretty sure you will successfully get the water tower marked as destroyed, since the concrete blocks are evidence that it was removed. The guard tower may be more difficult as there is no actual evidence that it was ever there, at least from the picture you provided. For the most part Deb requires physical evidence of the destruction of a benchmark--a foundation, or some evidence that the location is where the structure used to be. For a disk you must actually have pictures of the disk in its destroyed condition. The impression of where the disk was mounted or the stem of the disk is not enough evidence to prove that it is the actual disk that was on the description. Also, I noticed you didn't note the reference marks that were with MW0841. Were they there or did you not search for them? Matt Quote Link to comment
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