+Criminal Posted July 31, 2002 Posted July 31, 2002 Recent events are causing quite an uproar here in the forums. Due to popular demand (one person) I’m posting this poll. The Question: Is this scenario likely or possible given the recent events described in the polls and the events in the U.S. _______________________________________ Can this game be played underground? _______________________________________ No, sorry, no great ideas for an underground version. I really don’t want that anyway. Here’s how I see it happening though. 1. The combination of bad and misinformed press (pressure from without) and 2. The desire by some to impose their standard on the rest of us in regards to environmental issues, hazards, and other aspects like cache containers through new rules. (Pressure from within.) causes the popularity to fall off. The admin element begins to disapprove caches placed in city parks, wilderness areas, etc. based on someone’s (?) perception of proper and improper containers, placements, etc and popularity drops off further. Some cachers who are revolted by the idea of “presumed authority” (from park managers and the like) create a bootleg site and hide caches without regulation, no longer using their real names, and geocache only on the sly. The legitimate site is now purely “vanilla” and the caches are only placed on private property (not to be confused with “primate property”) by the property owner in biodegradable, non- edible, unthreatening, crystal clear, and accurately labeled containers approved and purchased though the site. They will be required to be reachable by wheelchair and must beep when activated by remote to make them blind accessible. Woof-poof the good times are over, (you’re not going to camo up your kids to find a bootleg cache right?). Do I want this? Hell no! Is this realistic? You decide. Quote
+culpc Posted July 31, 2002 Posted July 31, 2002 Dang! Now I'm going to have nightmares... Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son! Quote
+culpc Posted July 31, 2002 Posted July 31, 2002 Dang! Now I'm going to have nightmares... Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son! Quote
+LaPaglia Posted July 31, 2002 Posted July 31, 2002 As to how to take it underground? Micro cache Virtual cache and as the hobos did in the 30's and forty's we go to a secret sign to mark the location of the cache. http://www.worldpath.net/~minstrel/hobosign.htm We just chalk a sign on a tree or a rock. ok its simplistic but what do you expect, Im new here. Lapaglia "Muga Muchu" (forget yourself, focus). Quote
+LaPaglia Posted July 31, 2002 Posted July 31, 2002 As to how to take it underground? Micro cache Virtual cache and as the hobos did in the 30's and forty's we go to a secret sign to mark the location of the cache. http://www.worldpath.net/~minstrel/hobosign.htm We just chalk a sign on a tree or a rock. ok its simplistic but what do you expect, Im new here. Lapaglia "Muga Muchu" (forget yourself, focus). Quote
+Navdog Posted July 31, 2002 Posted July 31, 2002 Geocaching is accepted by many land managers and in some ways is very similar to Letterboxing that has been around in Europe for many many years. It may evolve and require permits in some areas, but it will remain mainstream. The better question is how do we take it to another level. The adventures of Navdog, Justdog, and Otterpup Quote
+Criminal Posted August 1, 2002 Author Posted August 1, 2002 The vote results are interesting but post a few opinions of your own as well. I'm interested in the direction you see this going in the future. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< What is the price of experience, do men buy it for a song, Or wisdom for a dance in the street................. Quote
+MartyFouts Posted August 1, 2002 Posted August 1, 2002 No matter how reasonable the policies are, there will always be those who use the 'restrictions' as an excuse to cop a tude. ain't no way around it. Quote
+Criminal Posted August 1, 2002 Author Posted August 1, 2002 On the off chance you are referring to me, I simply believe that less rules=more fun. It’s not a "tude", its a philosophy. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< What is the price of experience, do men buy it for a song, Or wisdom for a dance in the street................. Quote
+Criminal Posted August 2, 2002 Author Posted August 2, 2002 Anybody know how long I should keep this going? And how do I post the final results? ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< What is the price of experience, do men buy it for a song, Or wisdom for a dance in the street................. Quote
+GeoManhattan Posted August 2, 2002 Posted August 2, 2002 Check this site out for some underground ideas http://www.actionsquad.org GeoManhattan.com Quote
+bigredmed Posted August 2, 2002 Posted August 2, 2002 I have set up a cache in a park and one in a private botanical garden. The folks at the botanical garden hadn't heard of geocaching yet, so were reluctant until they checked it out. Now, the board members follow the cache activity online. I have to think that there are more experiences like mine than the other way. As far as the reaction to Cali caches, consider the complaints. "Tracking in non-native seeds" could happen with any activity. This strikes me as one of those "Earth Firsters" attempt to keep everyone else out of the area. We need to obey the rules, get permission first, and keep it family oriented. The sport/hobby/obsession will do just fine. By appointment to the Court of HRM Queen Mikki I. Quote
+Criminal Posted August 2, 2002 Author Posted August 2, 2002 Stories like that restore my faith in common sense. Glad to see there are listeners as well as fanatical squawkers. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< What is the price of experience, do men buy it for a song, Or wisdom for a dance in the street................. Quote
+MartyFouts Posted August 2, 2002 Posted August 2, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Criminal:On the off chance you are referring to me, I simply believe that less rules=more fun. It’s not a "tude", its a philosophy. I wasn't. I wasn't referring to any individual. not even obliquely. It was a general observation. My apologies if you were offended by it. Quote
+Criminal Posted August 2, 2002 Author Posted August 2, 2002 No prob, it takes a lot more than that to insult me. I know, I've been attacked before....... See: http://opentopic.Groundspeak.com/0/OpenTopic?a=tpc&s=1750973553&f=3000917383&m=4700989825 ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< What is the price of experience, do men buy it for a song, Or wisdom for a dance in the street................. Quote
MyBoys&Me Posted August 3, 2002 Posted August 3, 2002 I'm a newbie at this, but one thing I've seen already: not every cacher is environmentally responsible. New trails are made, vegetation gets "lead piped" or just simply trampled flat, and that's what gets the parks upset, especially at nature preserves. It'll take more than one negligent cacher, and more than a few incidents, but it'll happen: some liberal democrat will decide we're abusing protected wildlife or endangering taxpayers by enticing them to hike through poison ivy, or worse yet. Next thing you know, there's a commission on it, and same as ALL laws in this country were formed to control the negative actions of a very few, they'll cook up some new restrictions that'll send the game underground. And we'll be there - chalking up trees! MyBoys&Me Quote
MyBoys&Me Posted August 3, 2002 Posted August 3, 2002 I'm a newbie at this, but one thing I've seen already: not every cacher is environmentally responsible. New trails are made, vegetation gets "lead piped" or just simply trampled flat, and that's what gets the parks upset, especially at nature preserves. It'll take more than one negligent cacher, and more than a few incidents, but it'll happen: some liberal democrat will decide we're abusing protected wildlife or endangering taxpayers by enticing them to hike through poison ivy, or worse yet. Next thing you know, there's a commission on it, and same as ALL laws in this country were formed to control the negative actions of a very few, they'll cook up some new restrictions that'll send the game underground. And we'll be there - chalking up trees! MyBoys&Me Quote
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