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Legit hide or rule violation?

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7 minutes ago, arisoft said:

When you report a problem to reviewer, there is no need to assume anything. You just report what you see and that's all.

You just don't get it. I'm saying the bad assumption is what led you to think you should report it to the reviewer.

Yes, report what you see to the CO and talk it over with him. You don't need the reviewer involved unless the CO's response doesn't satisfy you.

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12 minutes ago, dprovan said:

which I took to mean a personal note discussing the issue

When you leave a log on their cache page they get an email. If I contact the owner the same thing will happen, they will get an email. Hopefully, like all responsible cache owners, they will be monitoring their email and will read Found/DNF/Note/NM/NA logs and PMs.

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30 minutes ago, dprovan said:

You just don't get it. I'm saying the bad assumption is what led you to think you should report it to the reviewer.

Yes, report what you see to the CO and talk it over with him. You don't need the reviewer involved unless the CO's response doesn't satisfy you.

You just described how a cache cop works. :P 

If I see a problem, I have no use for "bad assumption" as the problem exists regardless the reason.

Many problems are related to inexperience, and the inexperienced cache owner assumes that everything is ok, because the reviewer has accepted the cache.

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On 11/14/2017 at 11:18 AM, ZeppelinDT said:

So I came across this placement recently.  Looks to me like the hole was created specifically for this cache and container, especially given the size and proportions of the cache hole and the fact that it in no way resembles any of the much smaller holes in this tree and in the surrounding trees.  But of course unless there happened to be a security camera set up randomly in the middle of the woods that also happened to be running when the cache was placed, there's no way to really "prove" that the hole was created specifically for the cache, and the CO can very easily just claim that the hole was already there.

So really I'm just curious as to what people think about hides like this and how they should be handled.  Do you just shrug and look the other way?  Is it worth reporting?  And even if it is reported, is there anything that can really even be done?

 

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Rule breaker!!

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On 11/14/2017 at 11:18 AM, ZeppelinDT said:

So I came across this placement recently.  Looks to me like the hole was created specifically for this cache and container, especially given the size and proportions of the cache hole and the fact that it in no way resembles any of the much smaller holes in this tree and in the surrounding trees.  But of course unless there happened to be a security camera set up randomly in the middle of the woods that also happened to be running when the cache was placed, there's no way to really "prove" that the hole was created specifically for the cache, and the CO can very easily just claim that the hole was already there.

So really I'm just curious as to what people think about hides like this and how they should be handled.  Do you just shrug and look the other way?  Is it worth reporting?  And even if it is reported, is there anything that can really even be done?

 

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Now when I say rule breaker I mean, not fair not fair, I would be left puzzled.... lol! Lighten up folks.lol

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9 minutes ago, Sageboy01 said:

Rule breaker!!

Care to explain how you came to that conclusion?

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4 minutes ago, Sageboy01 said:

Now when I say rule breaker I mean, not fair not fair, I would be left puzzled.... lol! Lighten up folks.lol

Ah, so you don't really mean that you think it's a rule violation. Got it.

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4 minutes ago, niraD said:

Ah, so you don't really mean that you think it's a rule violation. Got it.

Too many possibilities to place my judgement on. I would enjoy being trumped by this. Lol

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I personally like devious caches. Especially the fun ones. I don’t get a lot of favorites, maybe because when it’s devious it’s not a park and grab. .. lol.. honestly, I’m going to start more swag caches because new cachers  need incentive. It’s not rewarding or fun when you go into a forest and a few things are unrewarding like, nasty caches, no swag and unkept caches or hard puzzles with no reward. Even a spider ring would of been rewarding. Lmao

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2 hours ago, arisoft said:

You just described how a cache cop works.

It's sad that you think that talking to a CO about a possible problem makes one a cache cop, but if everyone thinks like you do, that would explain why everything seems so messed up to me.

2 hours ago, arisoft said:

If I see a problem, I have no use for "bad assumption" as the problem exists regardless the reason.

The whole point of the case we're discussing is that it's unclear whether there's been a rule violation at all. For all the OP knows, the situation was fully disclosed with the cache submission and has already been approved by a reviewer. Yes, of course, when you're convinced it's a problem, post an NM. But that's still no reason to report it to a reviewer.

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2 hours ago, L0ne.R said:

When you leave a log on their cache page they get an email.

In the log, you're only going to say "Should be a small." because, after all, that's all the general population needs to hear. The CO will just say, "Well, I think it should be a micro." The fact that the log gets sent to the CO in e-mail is completely beside the point.

If you really think the size is wrong, I'd expect you to send the CO a note with more details such as describing the container you found in case it wasn't what the CO hid and citing whichever standard you're using to say the posted size isn't right. Only if you've done your homework do I think you have a right to expect the CO to respond.

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25 minutes ago, dprovan said:
2 hours ago, arisoft said:

You just described how a cache cop works.

It's sad that you think that talking to a CO about a possible problem makes one a cache cop, but if everyone thinks like you do, that would explain why everything seems so messed up to me.

No... I did not mean that.

Yes, report what you see to the CO and talk it over with him. You don't need the reviewer involved unless the CO's response doesn't satisfy you.

That's what I meant. Can you see the difference?

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