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Touched on this type of setting in a couple of recent threads after seeing my first one at BROWN CG1130. They seemed unique enough to become my major targets on a road trip from western AZ to SW NM and back last month. Running GSAK filters for 'BRONZE ROD(S)'and 'DISK WELDED' produced a list of 16 possibles; two of which (COVERED & SANTA) I had driven right past on my way east and VEKOL (GEO LOGGED in 2007) was just a bit further north. I did get to these three returning to Yuma.

 

VEKOL RM 1

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PASTURE & JOKAKE have been GEOLOGGED NOT FOUND. A broken off stem may be the only thing left of VALLEY(my last planned target this trip) when I get there in a week or ten days.

 

I think that the following have a good chance of being out there - HEATH, MCEUEN, PINON, QUAJOTE, SCRUB,STANLEY. Better take a metal detector if you go after SCRUB.

 

As to my question above: I have not been able to GSAK filter any possibilities in NM, Colo, Utah, NV or eastern Imperial Co CA. (I do not have a GSAK file for California). Any information would be appreciated. kayakbird

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Hi kayakbird,

 

We just did a GSAK search for San Bernardino County in California. Out of 4453 marks we came up with 2 possibles for you.

 

SEVAINE and CHEM

 

The first search we did for "Bronze rod" pulled up nothing. Then we did the 2nd for "DIsk Welded" and received the above 2.

 

Happy Hunting!

 

Shirley~

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Hi kayakbird,

 

We just did a GSAK search for San Bernardino County in California. Out of 4453 marks we came up with 2 possibles for you.

 

SEVAINE and CHEM

 

The first search we did for "Bronze rod" pulled up nothing. Then we did the 2nd for "DIsk Welded" and received the above 2.

 

Happy Hunting!

 

Shirley~

Shirley,

 

Thanks for pulling those up. After reading the descriptions,

 

EV3666'REFERENCE MARK NO. 1, A STANDARD DISK WELDED ON TOP OF A 3 INCH CAST IRON SOIL PIPE ---

 

EU0924'THE STATION MARK, A STANDARD DISK WELDED ON TOP OF A 3 INCH CAST IRON SOIL PIPE---,

 

I don't think that I will hike to the 'SAN SEVAINE LOOKOUT TOWER' but I will put CHEM on my 'accessed by kayak'

target list. It is right across the river from the take-out of the Topock Gorge reach of the Colorado River where I

had already planned to do a day paddle.

 

The first discard clue on the above would be the setting dates - every thing in AZ seem to be from 1936.

 

Other possible search words/phrases are found in the description for SCRUB

 

ER0456'THE STATION IS A STANDARD DISK STAMPED SCRUB 1936 BRAZED TO THE

ER0456'END OF A TAPERING CAST BRONZE ROD PROJECTING FROM AN 18-INCH---

 

This POOR SANTA RM 1

 

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shows a bit of the 'WELDED DISK' detail.

 

I am about to start drifting more or less due north, but another one these rare ones in a different state would be worth a couple hundred mile side trip. MEL

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As to my question above: I have not been able to GSAK filter any possibilities in NM, Colo, Utah, NV or eastern Imperial Co CA. Any information would be appreciated. kayakbird

Kayabird,

 

I did searches for all of New Mexico for you with GSAK. Here are the results of the keywords you requested.

 

All “Disk Welded” by CGS in New Mexico - PID, Name and Monumentation Date:

 

GN0670	AZTEC	1/1/1945
GN0542	KAME	1/1/1945
FO1574	CHACO	1/1/1945
FO1608	ALEJAN	1/1/1958
GM0750	FRENCH RESET	1/1/1949
GM0724	DEL ORO	1/1/1949
FN0520	TURKEY	1/1/1949
EQ0721	BRUSH	1/1/1952

 

All “Bronze Rod” in New Mexico:

 

= None

 

All containing the word “Tapering” that would be applicable in New Mexico:

 

= None.

 

All containing “Brazed” by CGS in New Mexico:

 

EO0677	RAYBOURN	1/1/1935
EQ1049	ANDERSON	1/1/1945
FO1028	PLACITAS	1/1/1945
FP0468	OSO RIDGE	1/1/1945
GN0468	PELON	1/1/1945
GN0542	KAME	1/1/1945
GN0611	LYBROOKS	1/1/1945
GN0621	BOUNDARY	1/1/1945
FO0917	NAMBE	1/1/1953
DS1294	BEACON	1/1/1954
FN0731	CHIMAYO	1/1/1954
GM0253	L 295	1/1/1957
EQ0997	RIO	1/1/1958
EQ1022	WILSON	1/1/1958
FO1412	RADAR	1/1/1958
FO1477	CUEVA	1/1/1958
FO1483	CHURCH	1/1/1958
FO1562	PRIETA	1/1/1958
FO1566	CHICO	1/1/1958
FO1567	CHAVEZ	1/1/1958
FO1579	AGUA	1/1/1958
FO1589	RITO	1/1/1958
FO1662	PINTADO	1/1/1958
GN0470	MINING	1/1/1958
GN0559	LARGO	1/1/1958
GN0569	CANON	1/1/1958
GN0615	SARGENT	1/1/1958
FM1012	TUCUMCARI 2	1/1/1960
FN0460	BEASLEY	1/1/1960
GN0473	CAPULIN	1/1/1960
GN0518	CONT	1/1/1960
GN0550	LIND	1/1/1960
GN0567	ARRIBA	1/1/1960
GM0773	TOUCHME	1/1/1961
GN0458	BERRY	1/1/1961
GN0529	INDIAN	1/1/1961
DS1369	BLUE MTN	1/1/1966
DT0700	SPURGEON	1/1/1966
FO1062	BERN	1/1/1969

 

I did not dig farther into those listed above to try and isolate the horn type that you and Indiana Jones are looking for.

 

Hopefully you will find at least one of the tapering type in there somewhere.

 

 

Oops - I just noticed that you mentioned that you are looking for 1936 dates. In that case, it looks like none of those in New Mexico are what you are looking for.

 

edited to add the last 2 sentenced directly above.

Edited by TillaMurphs

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TillaMurphs,

 

Thanks for the effort. I have checked a few of the descriptions for other than 1936, but everything comes up with two or three inch iron or cast iron pipe.

 

Do have this one to check part way home:

 

OW0291'STATION MARK IS STANDARD DISK ATTACHED TO 3-FOOT BRONZE ROD, BOTTOM EMBEDDED IN CONCRETE, AND TOP PROJECTING 9 INCHES ABOVE GROUND.

 

and that would put me in position to get rid of those ugly white counties in Wyo. MEL

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Do you want me to check Colo, Utah and Nevada?

 

If so, any suggestions on further refinements to filter keywords?

 

Nope & Nope. I need to see if I can figure out the GSAK down load procedure again and get at least the southern counties in Calif before next winter south-bound migration. 2OF's did do SAN BERNARDINO which covers a lot of ground.

 

Thanks, kayakbird

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Glad you all are able to find these. The one in my paper on C&GS survey marks was from Arizona.

 

GeorgeL

NGS, Retired

 

Hi George,

 

Do you happen to know which Station in Arizona the one in your paper was from? I can't seem to decipher the stamping from the photo and I know kayakbird was interested.

 

Thanks,

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No, I don't recall. The mark is, I believe, presently in the NGS "museum" area, perhaps DaveD can take a look and post its name and date.

 

GeorgeL

NGS Retired

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No, I don't recall. The mark is, I believe, presently in the NGS "museum" area, perhaps DaveD can take a look and post its name and date.

 

GeorgeL

NGS Retired

Hey George - The museum area, or Dave's desk? :D

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We used these copper clad rods at the Michigan state DOT for the 30 yrs I worked there (72-02). We mostly used them for property corners, sections corners etc that were replaced on road construction. The state had a never ending supply of them, they were originally planned to mark Right of Way but they (FHWA) stopped requiring the ROW be marked in the 70's. The rods came with a cap like in the pic and w/o. The ones w/o a cap we used in our cast iron boxes in the roadways to monuments c/l alignment. As I recall the ones we used came in 18-ich and 24-inch length. The pic with the cap a beat up is what happened when beat into the ground with a mall.

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We used these copper clad rods at the Michigan state DOT for the 30 yrs I worked there (72-02).

 

 

Z15,

 

The flared top station set in Arizona in 1936 were not 'copper clad rods', but were about one inch in diameter solid bronze/brass rods, as seen at the snapped off rod of

 

COVERED RM 1,

 

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that flared out to the diameter of the disk which was somehow welded on the top. There is also a bulbous enlargement near its lower end. I believe that they were meant to be set in concrete in a dug hole and not driven in.

 

See Fig. 32, P. 14 here (Bottles, Pots & Pans) http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/web/about_ngs/history/Survey_Mark_Art.pdf

 

And #10 in this thread: http://forums.Groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=272892

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Not just in Arizona - got a hint of this one with a 'BRONZE ROD' filter. A great big 'THANKS' to GSAK.

 

Flared in Wyo - DIVERSION

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OW0291'DISK ATTACHED TO 3-FOOT BRONZE ROD, BOTTOM EMBEDDED IN CONCRETE,

 

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And rocks with no lichens! kayakbird

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Been thinking about this one since I found my first 'Flared Stem' mark

in Jan 2012 and did a GSAK database search for variations of bronze, brass,

stem and flared.

 

FLARED ROD PINON

 

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Got the only one in Wyo last fall and I think that there may be

a possibility of three or four more in Arizona. kayakbird

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