Fake finds

[+L0ne.R]

I suppose that it's possible that the fake finder found a different nearby box - a letterbox, a throw-down, a cache listed on another site, or maybe a cache that wasn't approved because it was too close to your box and subsequently not picked up by the CO. Either way, he still didn't find your cache and didn't sign the log.

[LingHoney]

....I find the whole concept that the find count is a score and that cache owners have been made some sort of referee to take away "points" that don't meet the puritan definition of a find, a bit too much for an activity that is just supposed to be fun. ...

I find this to be a silly argument from somebody that has in the past adamently argued that any cache owner has the right to award extra smilies for alternate reality "finds".

 

You know as well as I and do that signing the physical log is expected before logging online. Not doing so may well be an error that can be explained with a photo or description of the cache. But in most cases - just is a requirement of a find.

 

She needs to stick to her guns.

I think awarding extra smileys is silly. What I have probably said before is that cache owners who do this, don't effect the play of the many cachers like you and me who will only log a find if we found the cache. If some cache owner wants to have a cache page full of extra Found It logs because people posted pictures of themselves in yoga poses at the cache site it doesn't really effect me. (Of course if the cache is missing and people are posting finds for what you call an alternate reality find you might argue that someone will waste gas looking for a cache that isn't there. But usually these extra finds are posted along with a legitimate find.

 

And I'm not saying that the OP can't delete what appears to her to be a bogus log, especially if the logger was given a chance to explain and didn't have a satisfactory explanation. But it may have eliminated a lot of angst and a good deal of the name calling had she simply posted that she checked the log a it was dry and the finder name was not in it, but let the log stand anyhow. Worrying that the "score" is wrong because some non-finder is claiming a find is what I find silly. Delete logs if you're certain they are bogus (meaning the person didn't find the cache). While many geocachers routinely sign the log when they find a caches (and there are several good reasons for doing so), the reality is that the online find log has no relationship to whether you signed the physical log other that singing the log may be a good way to prove you found the cache (better than tossing in a gum wrapper with your initials on it).

[+Shaved Ewok]

Well was back in the area today so I went and relogged this one to shut her up, took photos this time too so no more of her lies. Also managed to find the gum rapper I left with my name and date on it on the ground near by, funny. I would also like to post a challenge to the troublemaker who has been bad mouthing me on these forums for the past few days. Show me one cache that I have not signed the log of but logged online? I mean if this is so common a behavior for me then please show evidence. If your going to throw around accusations you had better have proof to back them up, other wise it is slander and you are liable. Also to all those who took her word as gospel, please take a look at the caches I have found. If I was an armchair logger as she had suggested don't you think I would have logged a few more than 257 in the past year? Also, wouldn't the owners of these other caches have said something, or those that found them after me? Oh and for the record I do list my DNFs, there are several local caches that I have yet been able to find in my small town and believe me I want those smiles but not enough to lie about my finds and certainly not enough to avoid listing the blue frown face when I fail. Finally, as for my photo on here yes it is a beer, but if you will look in the background you will also notice the tops of several Mayan temples that make up the core of the site of Tikal in Guatemala(GCGCX7). That photo was taken the day I was first introduced to geocaching by one of my students. In order to claim this cash, one must climb to the top of one of the temples and snap a photo. The temple is about five or six stories tall and the top is reached by climbing a crudely built Guatemalan ladder. It just so happens that their is an small bar run by the park at the base of the temple and as a result a challenge has arisen at the site to see if one can make it to the top with their open beer. Anyone who knows anything about archeologist knows that we never turn down down a challenge involving beer, something the OP should know if she truly knows so many archeologist. So while up there we decided to kill two birds with one stone and snap the photo with us enjoying our beers. Now if the thought of someone enjoying a cold beer in the jungle while taking their college age students who are of age somehow upsets your feels then I both apologize and feel sorry for you for life must be very difficult for you indeed. However since I am not drunkenly beating my wife or tossing babies off the top of the temple the photo shall remain.

Oh and one final thought. Here is a little background on Dr. Gary Fry, the professor that she thought was so very wonderful.

 

The Truth about Dr. Gary Fry

 

If you do not care to look I will sum it up: history of drug and alcohol abuse, arrested on campus, forced to resign, and currently working at a collection agency for the local gas company. Funny how me calling her a git and drinking a beer offends her sense of family friendly yet she can stand to be friends with this low life.

 

[LingHoney]

....I find the whole concept that the find count is a score and that cache owners have been made some sort of referee to take away "points" that don't meet the puritan definition of a find, a bit too much for an activity that is just supposed to be fun. ...

I find this to be a silly argument from somebody that has in the past adamently argued that any cache owner has the right to award extra smilies for alternate reality "finds".

 

You know as well as I and do that signing the physical log is expected before logging online. Not doing so may well be an error that can be explained with a photo or description of the cache. But in most cases - just is a requirement of a find.

 

She needs to stick to her guns.

I think awarding extra smileys is silly. What I have probably said before is that cache owners who do this, don't effect the play of the many cachers like you and me who will only log a find if we found the cache. If some cache owner wants to have a cache page full of extra Found It logs because people posted pictures of themselves in yoga poses at the cache site it doesn't really effect me. (Of course if the cache is missing and people are posting finds for what you call an alternate reality find you might argue that someone will waste gas looking for a cache that isn't there. But usually these extra finds are posted along with a legitimate find.

 

And I'm not saying that the OP can't delete what appears to her to be a bogus log, especially if the logger was given a chance to explain and didn't have a satisfactory explanation. But it may have eliminated a lot of angst and a good deal of the name calling had she simply posted that she checked the log a it was dry and the finder name was not in it, but let the log stand anyhow. Worrying that the "score" is wrong because some non-finder is claiming a find is what I find silly. Delete logs if you're certain they are bogus (meaning the person didn't find the cache). While many geocachers routinely sign the log when they find a caches (and there are several good reasons for doing so), the reality is that the online find log has no relationship to whether you signed the physical log other that singing the log may be a good way to prove you found the cache (better than tossing in a gum wrapper with your initials on it).

So um, I'm wondering if the gum wrapper thing in this thread WASN'T mentioned, if he would have left a new log with pix of a nice neat, unsoiled, perfectly dry gum wrapper that WAS NOT IN ORIGINAL CACHE. ??? (Why would an experienced cacher use garbage when THE LOG WAS DRY!!! Think about this one.)

Seems odd, wasnt in cache and if left outside in the snow/rain, not too mention mud, that it looks pretty darn prestine!

I do not have a problem if he wants to be decent,claim a find and post pix that make sense,but if he continues to act ignorant, then its up to geocaching to delete those kind of logs, as they have done. The page is being monitored now.

Can't people just be HONEST?

[+StarBrand]

...

Well was back in the area today so I went and relogged this one to shut her up, took photos this time too so no more of her lies. Also managed to find the gum rapper I left with my name and date on it on the ground near by, ....

You are admiting to littering on a public forum????

 

So I am curious, why didn't you sign the log the first time around?? -- and why couldn't you describe the cache or location to her?

 

--I too would have deleted your first log.

Edited March 15, 2011 by StarBrand

[+Shaved Ewok]

The cache was full of water and I left that wrapper in there. As a matter of fact it is still in there so I did not litter. The more important question is why does the owner feel so threatened by my find that she now has to delete my logs with actual photographic proof. Just sad really that someone so old must be so petty. Maybe she has been spending to much time with that old crack head Dr. Fry!

[+StarBrand]

The cache was full of water and I left that wrapper in there. As a matter of fact it is still in there so I did not litter. The more important question is why does the owner feel so threatened by my find that she now has to delete my logs with actual photographic proof. Just sad really that someone so old must be so petty. Maybe she has been spending to much time with that old crack head Dr. Fry!

The log was dry. You said the wrapper was on the ground - not me.

 

Just sad that you would put yourself through this much angst, hard feelings, potty language and dirt digging over a single smiley count - was it worth it??

[knowschad]

The cache was full of water and I left that wrapper in there. As a matter of fact it is still in there so I did not litter. The more important question is why does the owner feel so threatened by my find that she now has to delete my logs with actual photographic proof. Just sad really that someone so old must be so petty. Maybe she has been spending to much time with that old crack head Dr. Fry!

Ahhh... you should probably go read the forum posting guidelines, my friend. Not to mention the possibility of a libel suit from just that one sentence.

[+Starwolf013]

This just seems like another misunderstanding that is descending to a low. As the CO, I would be inclined to delete a log if the cacher did not sign the log book but only after an attempted civil conversation with the cacher. I would be annoyed to if I went out to replace a cache and find that it did not need service.

 

As the cacher, I wouldn't take the initial communication so personally. I wouldn't be happy about all of the forum posts here that accuse him of falsifying information. This topic in the forum looks like a witch hunt.

 

The best thing to do now is to be the better person here and walk away. Insulting people that the CO is associated with is not the path to take. It comes off as petty, abusive, and it will not repair any damage from this experience.

 

Why can't we geocachers just get along?

[+Shaved Ewok]

Ah I never said the wrapper was dry she did which is interesting since she does not get off work till seven and its only five here so apparently she can tell the condition of paper from a photo, impressive. No digging required I had the misfortune of being at YSU when that joke was sacked for his drug use, no not a liable statement there actually legally established fact. Also if "git" is considered potty language you really need to get out more because that is the only name I ever used and it is not vulgar. Frankly though I really do not care what you all think I just wanted those who had not messaged me yet for my side of the story to be able to read it.

[LingHoney]

Well was back in the area today so I went and relogged this one to shut her up, took photos this time too so no more of her lies. Also managed to find the gum rapper I left with my name and date on it on the ground near by, funny. I would also like to post a challenge to the troublemaker who has been bad mouthing me on these forums for the past few days. Show me one cache that I have not signed the log of but logged online? I mean if this is so common a behavior for me then please show evidence. If your going to throw around accusations you had better have proof to back them up, other wise it is slander and you are liable. Also to all those who took her word as gospel, please take a look at the caches I have found. If I was an armchair logger as she had suggested don't you think I would have logged a few more than 257 in the past year? Also, wouldn't the owners of these other caches have said something, or those that found them after me? Oh and for the record I do list my DNFs, there are several local caches that I have yet been able to find in my small town and believe me I want those smiles but not enough to lie about my finds and certainly not enough to avoid listing the blue frown face when I fail. Finally, as for my photo on here yes it is a beer, but if you will look in the background you will also notice the tops of several Mayan temples that make up the core of the site of Tikal in Guatemala(GCGCX7). That photo was taken the day I was first introduced to geocaching by one of my students. In order to claim this cash, one must climb to the top of one of the temples and snap a photo. The temple is about five or six stories tall and the top is reached by climbing a crudely built Guatemalan ladder. It just so happens that their is an small bar run by the park at the base of the temple and as a result a challenge has arisen at the site to see if one can make it to the top with their open beer. Anyone who knows anything about archeologist knows that we never turn down down a challenge involving beer, something the OP should know if she truly knows so many archeologist. So while up there we decided to kill two birds with one stone and snap the photo with us enjoying our beers. Now if the thought of someone enjoying a cold beer in the jungle while taking their college age students who are of age somehow upsets your feels then I both apologize and feel sorry for you for life must be very difficult for you indeed. However since I am not drunkenly beating my wife or tossing babies off the top of the temple the photo shall remain.

Oh and one final thought. Here is a little background on Dr. Gary Fry, the professor that she thought was so very wonderful.

 

The Truth about Dr. Gary Fry

 

If you do not care to look I will sum it up: history of drug and alcohol abuse, arrested on campus, forced to resign, and currently working at a collection agency for the local gas company. Funny how me calling her a git and drinking a beer offends her sense of family friendly yet she can stand to be friends with this low life.

 

 

That is fine that you have found the cache now, I'm very happy for you but as others are pointing out, there was no reason to not sign a dry log nor not to remember any aquerate details or even vague ones at that. Sure, I don't find a million caches a day but I also, until recently due to sick leave, worked 12 hrs a day and took my 5 youngest children with me on the hunt...Makes a difficult time to hit a ton in just a couple hrs before sun fall, that doesn't mean I am an unexperienced cacher nor any less of a challenged hunter.

There were several reasons why your log was deleted and this was an explained. For one, I do not tolerate ignorance on my families page (ei. TEAM Ling Honey). My 9 and 10 yr olds frequent geocaching.com more than I do. They have even shown it in school.

If you had been decent, there wouldn't have been a problem nor had this forum, gone on and on. You fueled the fire, with profanity and name calling. I'm honestly glad you have seeked cache and appropriately signed. If this would have been done on the earlier claimed visit, then we would not be here. If you want to leave a DECENT log on the page, I will not have a problem with that. I'm not that hard to get along with. I have met several cachers out and about and they can admit to this.

 

As for Dr. Fry, you misunderstood what was said. John & Joann White were close friends of my family. I basically grew up at either the digs,at their house with their daughter, or at the ytown playhouse. He was a great guy and I'm sorry to see him gone. I only remember meeting Fry a few times when my dad helped dig up that indian snake thing (can't remember exactly what it was about, I was young).

So as for being close with Fry, that's a nada. It was/is the Whites.

[+Ecylram]

You lost any chance of support when you wrote this...

 

Just sad really that someone so old must be so petty. Maybe she has been spending to much time with that old crack head Dr. Fry!

Just based on that, I'd side with the CO.

[+StarBrand]

Ah I never said the wrapper was dry she did which is interesting since she does not get off work till seven and its only five here so apparently she can tell the condition of paper from a photo, impressive. No digging required I had the misfortune of being at YSU when that joke was sacked for his drug use, no not a liable statement there actually legally established fact. Also if "git" is considered potty language you really need to get out more because that is the only name I ever used and it is not vulgar. Frankly though I really do not care what you all think I just wanted those who had not messaged me yet for my side of the story to be able to read it.

ok - tell us your side ---- BTW still haven't answered the second question I asked above: So I am curious, why didn't you sign the log the first time around?? -- and why couldn't you describe the cache or location to her?

[+Shaved Ewok]

Well I only became so angry when you created a hate filled slander thread for no reason. You talk about your kids when you in fact were acting like a little prat when you created this thread and claimed i was an arm chair cacher. By the way you still have yet to back up your claim that their are other caches I have illegally logged. Why not? Could it be that you were wrong? That you lied about that to give yourself some sort of moral high ground.

[LingHoney]

The cache was full of water and I left that wrapper in there. As a matter of fact it is still in there so I did not litter. The more important question is why does the owner feel so threatened by my find that she now has to delete my logs with actual photographic proof. Just sad really that someone so old must be so petty. Maybe she has been spending to much time with that old crack head Dr. Fry!

Ahhh... you should probably go read the forum posting guidelines, my friend. Not to mention the possibility of a libel suit from just that one sentence.

NOW DOES EVERYONE SEE WHAT MY FRUSTRATION IS ABOUT! JEESH!!!!!

[LingHoney]

Ah I never said the wrapper was dry she did which is interesting since she does not get off work till seven and its only five here so apparently she can tell the condition of paper from a photo, impressive. No digging required I had the misfortune of being at YSU when that joke was sacked for his drug use, no not a liable statement there actually legally established fact. Also if "git" is considered potty language you really need to get out more because that is the only name I ever used and it is not vulgar. Frankly though I really do not care what you all think I just wanted those who had not messaged me yet for my side of the story to be able to read it.

ok - tell us your side ---- BTW still haven't answered the second question I asked above: So I am curious, why didn't you sign the log the first time around?? -- and why couldn't you describe the cache or location to her?

Anyone is more than welcome to look at the pic and draw their own conclusions.......

[+Shaved Ewok]

As I have said before the container was full of water. Since nearly every other cache I had found in that area that day was soaked and it was getting late I simply placed the wrapper in the container rather than fighting to sign yet another presumed soggy log. So there you go. That's my side of the story take it or leave, frankly I do not care as I do not know you and frankly would not care to know anyone who would jump on someone they do not know based on the words of others.

[LingHoney]

As I mentioned several times, items in cache were barely damp. So in 2 hrs of rain they mysterously dried up, WITH the "wet" log? Hmmmmmmmm and WHAT DID THIS SOAKED CACHE LOOK LIKE?

[+StarBrand]

As I have said before the container was full of water. Since nearly every other cache I had found in that area that day was soaked and it was getting late I simply placed the wrapper in the container rather than fighting to sign yet another presumed soggy log. So there you go. That's my side of the story take it or leave, frankly I do not care as I do not know you and frankly would not care to know anyone who would jump on someone they do not know based on the words of others.

No sig on a dry log and cannot describe the cache or location=deleted log - that is my conclusion from both your side of the story and hers.

 

Sorry - no offense just my thoughts.

 

I hope you both learned a better way to resolve such things in the future.

Edited March 15, 2011 by StarBrand

[+GeoGeeBee]

 

No sig on a dry log and cannot describe the cache or location=deleted log - that is my conclusion from both your side of the story and hers.

 

Sorry - no offense just my thoughts.

 

I hope you both learned a better way to resolve such things in the future.

 

I was trying to figure out how to say what I was thinking, without crossing any forum guidelines. Fortunately, StarBrand has captured it quite well, so I'll just quote him and say "This."

[knowschad]

Ah I never said the wrapper was dry she did which is interesting since she does not get off work till seven and its only five here so apparently she can tell the condition of paper from a photo, impressive. No digging required I had the misfortune of being at YSU when that joke was sacked for his drug use, no not a liable statement there actually legally established fact. Also if "git" is considered potty language you really need to get out more because that is the only name I ever used and it is not vulgar. Frankly though I really do not care what you all think I just wanted those who had not messaged me yet for my side of the story to be able to read it.

 

So...you are a teacher, huh?

[LingHoney]

Well I only became so angry when you created a hate filled slander thread for no reason. You talk about your kids when you in fact were acting like a little prat when you created this thread and claimed i was an arm chair cacher. By the way you still have yet to back up your claim that their are other caches I have illegally logged. Why not? Could it be that you were wrong? That you lied about that to give yourself some sort of moral high ground.

Edited March 15, 2011 by LingHoney

[LingHoney]

Well I only became so angry when you created a hate filled slander thread for no reason. You talk about your kids when you in fact were acting like a little prat when you created this thread and claimed i was an arm chair cacher. By the way you still have yet to back up your claim that their are other caches I have illegally logged. Why not? Could it be that you were wrong? That you lied about that to give yourself some sort of moral high ground.

Ummmm, problem there. You were the one to post ignorant things on my page BEFORE the forum got underway.

And yes, I did talk to other COs. What we talked about (unless they themselves post here) will be kept between us and they had contacted me on the subject. End of story.

[LingHoney]

Ah I never said the wrapper was dry she did which is interesting since she does not get off work till seven and its only five here so apparently she can tell the condition of paper from a photo, impressive. No digging required I had the misfortune of being at YSU when that joke was sacked for his drug use, no not a liable statement there actually legally established fact. Also if "git" is considered potty language you really need to get out more because that is the only name I ever used and it is not vulgar. Frankly though I really do not care what you all think I just wanted those who had not messaged me yet for my side of the story to be able to read it.

 

So...you are a teacher, huh?

Did I NOT just mention I'm on sick leave? Oh wow! LOL

[+Shaved Ewok]

Never asked me what the location looked like just the contents which I did not look at. The log was not signed because cache was full of water till it leaked on my leg and was dumped out and after encountering so many like that in the area assumed log was damp and left a signed rapper. Never known of anyone to get so bent out of shape over such a minor thing, but I guess there is a first time for everything.

[+Shaved Ewok]

I fail to see what my profession has to do with any of this. As for the OP I'm not asking about owners simple caches that you claim I have not signed because I have not once had issue with any other cache owners so it seems funny that anyone would seek you out to bad mouth me.

[+Shaved Ewok]

Oh so your on sick leave yet you have time to go out to geocaches? Hmmm...I wonder what your boss would think of such behavior?

[LingHoney]

Well was back in the area today so I went and relogged this one to shut her up, took photos this time too so no more of her lies. Also managed to find the gum rapper I left with my name and date on it on the ground near by, funny. I would also like to post a challenge to the troublemaker who has been bad mouthing me on these forums for the past few days. Show me one cache that I have not signed the log of but logged online? I mean if this is so common a behavior for me then please show evidence. If your going to throw around accusations you had better have proof to back them up, other wise it is slander and you are liable. Also to all those who took her word as gospel, please take a look at the caches I have found. If I was an armchair logger as she had suggested don't you think I would have logged a few more than 257 in the past year? Also, wouldn't the owners of these other caches have said something, or those that found them after me? Oh and for the record I do list my DNFs, there are several local caches that I have yet been able to find in my small town and believe me I want those smiles but not enough to lie about my finds and certainly not enough to avoid listing the blue frown face when I fail. Finally, as for my photo on here yes it is a beer, but if you will look in the background you will also notice the tops of several Mayan temples that make up the core of the site of Tikal in Guatemala(GCGCX7). That photo was taken the day I was first introduced to geocaching by one of my students. In order to claim this cash, one must climb to the top of one of the temples and snap a photo. The temple is about five or six stories tall and the top is reached by climbing a crudely built Guatemalan ladder. It just so happens that their is an small bar run by the park at the base of the temple and as a result a challenge has arisen at the site to see if one can make it to the top with their open beer. Anyone who knows anything about archeologist knows that we never turn down down a challenge involving beer, something the OP should know if she truly knows so many archeologist. So while up there we decided to kill two birds with one stone and snap the photo with us enjoying our beers. Now if the thought of someone enjoying a cold beer in the jungle while taking their college age students who are of age somehow upsets your feels then I both apologize and feel sorry for you for life must be very difficult for you indeed. However since I am not drunkenly beating my wife or tossing babies off the top of the temple the photo shall remain.

Oh and one final thought. Here is a little background on Dr. Gary Fry, the professor that she thought was so very wonderful.

 

The Truth about Dr. Gary Fry

 

If you do not care to look I will sum it up: history of drug and alcohol abuse, arrested on campus, forced to resign, and currently working at a collection agency for the local gas company. Funny how me calling her a git and drinking a beer offends her sense of family friendly yet she can stand to be friends with this low life.

 

 

That is fine that you have found the cache now, I'm very happy for you but as others are pointing out, there was no reason to not sign a dry log nor not to remember any aquerate details or even vague ones at that. Sure, I don't find a million caches a day but I also, until recently due to sick leave, worked 12 hrs a day and took my 5 youngest children with me on the hunt...Makes a difficult time to hit a ton in just a couple hrs before sun fall, that doesn't mean I am an unexperienced cacher nor any less of a challenged hunter.

There were several reasons why your log was deleted and this was an explained. For one, I do not tolerate ignorance on my families page (ei. TEAM Ling Honey). My 9 and 10 yr olds frequent geocaching.com more than I do. They have even shown it in school.

If you had been decent, there wouldn't have been a problem nor had this forum, gone on and on. You fueled the fire, with profanity and name calling. I'm honestly glad you have seeked cache and appropriately signed. If this would have been done on the earlier claimed visit, then we would not be here. If you want to leave a DECENT log on the page, I will not have a problem with that. I'm not that hard to get along with. I have met several cachers out and about and they can admit to this.

 

As for Dr. Fry, you misunderstood what was said. John & Joann White were close friends of my family. I basically grew up at either the digs,at their house with their daughter, or at the ytown playhouse. He was a great guy and I'm sorry to see him gone. I only remember meeting Fry a few times when my dad helped dig up that indian snake thing (can't remember exactly what it was about, I was young).

So as for being close with Fry, that's a nada. It was/is the Whites.

 

 

Oh yeah I DID mention me recently put on sick leave. Just making sure.

[Clan Riffster]

NOW DOES EVERYONE SEE WHAT MY FRUSTRATION IS ABOUT! JEESH!!!!!

Heatherlee, ask yourself this: "Was it worth it?"

There is no doubt your actions were justified. He claimed the log was wet, when it was not. His signature wan't on the log. He couldn't describe anything about the hunt or the cache. Everything points to his found log being bogus, and Groundspeak will support your deletion.

But was it worth it?

Consider all the angst this episode has generated. All the stress it has placed you in. If you had posted a simple maintenance log on your cache, noting that the log was dry, and that the previous finder's signature was missing, leaving their find log intact, this whole episode would have been over before it started.

Which is more important? Inner peace or being right?

[LingHoney]

Oh so your on sick leave yet you have time to go out to geocaches? Hmmm...I wonder what your boss would think of such behavior?

I have cancer....my boss knows, thank you.

[+GeoGeeBee]

Oh so your on sick leave yet you have time to go out to geocaches? Hmmm...I wonder what your boss would think of such behavior?

You and Linghoney both need to give this a rest.

 

Your thinly-veiled threat isn't very sporting. Your log is now posted on the cache. She had a right to delete the online log when there was no signature in the cache log, and apparently she deleted a subsequent log due to some potty language. It's all over now, so get on with life. These forums have enough angst,

 

Y'all both should have a donut and chill.

 

[LingHoney]

Oh so your on sick leave yet you have time to go out to geocaches? Hmmm...I wonder what your boss would think of such behavior?

I have cancer....my boss knows, thank you.

And not that its anyones business but I find geocaching a nice way to spend time with my children, considering.

[LingHoney]

Oh so your on sick leave yet you have time to go out to geocaches? Hmmm...I wonder what your boss would think of such behavior?

You and Linghoney both need to give this a rest.

 

Your thinly-veiled threat isn't very sporting. Your log is now posted on the cache. She had a right to delete the online log when there was no signature in the cache log, and apparently she deleted a subsequent log due to some potty language. It's all over now, so get on with life. These forums have enough angst,

 

Y'all both should have a donut and chill.

 

Thank you geogeebee. I agree. This is too time consuming. Its bad when I spend more time arguing over a valid decision, than I do geocaching itself right now lol.

[+Shaved Ewok]

There was no "potty" language in the log she deleted today. And the other one the worst I did was call her a git, hardly "potty" language. No I will not give this a rest until she drops this attempt to slander me by claiming I have all of these armchair finds that she claims she can't reveal. If you decided to slander a man's name in such a way then you had better be ready to back it up with cold hard facts!

[GOF and Bacall]

You two should probably just agree to ignore each other's caches and the need to interact. It is a lot easier and less unsightly than bickering in public.

 

GeoGeeBee is right. Time for a break.

[+DadOf6Furrballs]

All this angst, over a icon on some internet website.

 

Does it really matter, in the grand universal scheme of life?

 

Fighting over a . Seriously.

 

I&OBTL

[+Redfist]

All this angst, over a icon on some internet website.

 

Does it really matter, in the grand universal scheme of life?

 

Fighting over a . Seriously.

 

I&OBTL

 

I think everyone probably agrees that this debate has more than run it's course.

 

On the lighter side, you have to admit that "Shaved Ewok" is a pretty cool name! Great imagery.

[+Shaved Ewok]

No to me this is about her questioning my word and slandering me on a public forum. I will not let this rest till she reveals these mysterious caches I am said not to have logged.

[LingHoney]

NOW DOES EVERYONE SEE WHAT MY FRUSTRATION IS ABOUT! JEESH!!!!!

Heatherlee, ask yourself this: "Was it worth it?"

There is no doubt your actions were justified. He claimed the log was wet, when it was not. His signature wan't on the log. He couldn't describe anything about the hunt or the cache. Everything points to his found log being bogus, and Groundspeak will support your deletion.

But was it worth it?

Consider all the angst this episode has generated. All the stress it has placed you in. If you had posted a simple maintenance log on your cache, noting that the log was dry, and that the previous finder's signature was missing, leaving their find log intact, this whole episode would have been over before it started.

Which is more important? Inner peace or being right?

You know what, no. Now I think of it, really no. I am under incredible stress and have been hospitalized 3 times in 2 weeks. With having to explain this to 6 children is not easy. I have found something (geocaching) that we are all involved with and can spend some fun time and check out interesting thing together. I may take it a bit seriously but I just expect adults to follow the rules of the sport like we do.

[+DadOf6Furrballs]

NOW DOES EVERYONE SEE WHAT MY FRUSTRATION IS ABOUT! JEESH!!!!!

Heatherlee, ask yourself this: "Was it worth it?"

There is no doubt your actions were justified. He claimed the log was wet, when it was not. His signature wan't on the log. He couldn't describe anything about the hunt or the cache. Everything points to his found log being bogus, and Groundspeak will support your deletion.

But was it worth it?

Consider all the angst this episode has generated. All the stress it has placed you in. If you had posted a simple maintenance log on your cache, noting that the log was dry, and that the previous finder's signature was missing, leaving their find log intact, this whole episode would have been over before it started.

Which is more important? Inner peace or being right?

You know what, no. Now I think of it, really no. I am under incredible stress and have been hospitalized 3 times in 2 weeks. With having to explain this to 6 children is not easy. I have found something (geocaching) that we are all involved with and can spend some fun time and check out interesting thing together. I may take it a bit seriously but I just expect adults to follow the rules of the sport like we do.

Be the better person. Let it go. Walk away from the forum. It's not healthy. Go enjoy what life is about.

[knowschad]

I fail to see what my profession has to do with any of this.

Just comparing your forum behavior to your profession, that's all. Don't worry, it's probably only me that seems to see a major disconnect there.

[Clan Riffster]

Be the better person. Let it go. Walk away from the forum. It's not healthy. Go enjoy what life is about.

Great advice!

The kewlest thing about this game is that it is open to everyone.

The worst thing about this game is that it is open to everyone.

Even the occasional I'll mannered goober.

Life is too short to sweat the small things.

Hug your children, and go find some caches!

[+Shaved Ewok]

And what do tell is so bad about my forum behavior. Its seems that a few weak minded individuals made up there mind about me while the OP spread lies and I remained silent. I fail to see how anything I have said on here negatively impacts my choice of carriers. I wonder what is your line of work in which it is OK to crucify a man without a fair trial?

[+StarBrand]

And what do tell is so bad about my forum behavior. Its seems that a few weak minded individuals made up there mind about me while the OP spread lies and I remained silent. I fail to see how anything I have said on here negatively impacts my choice of carriers. I wonder what is your line of work in which it is OK to crucify a man without a fair trial?

Enough. Let it go.

 

[+Shaved Ewok]

As I have said before this will not be over until she presents her evidence that supports her claims that I am an armchair cacher. I will not allow her slanderous remarks to go unchallenged!

[LingHoney]

Ok wow, this forum so needs to be done. And for the record...geocaching.com had deleted his log and are watching the page. ( I still have email from them saved) As I said before, if some grown adult took the OP to heart when their name wasn't even mentioned, then I would seriously have to look into some self analysis instead of throwing a tantrum. I'm done. I do have a life.

Happy caching people!

[+StarBrand]

As I have said before this will not be over until she presents her evidence that supports her claims that I am an armchair cacher. I will not allow her slanderous remarks to go unchallenged!

You yourself admit to not signing the log and not being able to satisfactorily describe the cache. Given just your side of the story it sounds like armchair logging.

 

If it helps - I actually believe you. Just as much as I believe her. But its over now. You returned and signed the log and got your smiley - she as the cache owner is letting it stand.

 

Seriously - let it go.

[+Shaved Ewok]

AH HA! That's what I thought! You can't provide any proof of yoru lies so now you turn tail and run. The only thing worse then a slanderer is a coward!

[+Redfist]

As I have said before this will not be over until she presents her evidence that supports her claims that I am an armchair cacher. I will not allow her slanderous remarks to go unchallenged!

 

You are both obviously firmly in the belief that you are right. One or both of you are. I seriously doubt, however, that any public statements of contrition will happen by either party.

 

Politely agree to disagree (both of you) or just ignore each other and get on with your lives.

 

I, for one, am done watching this train wreck of a thread.

[LingHoney]

As I have said before this will not be over until she presents her evidence that supports her claims that I am an armchair cacher. I will not allow her slanderous remarks to go unchallenged!

WHAT DID ORIGINAL CONTAINER LOOK LIKE?....no answer: my proof. Enough has been said.