LingHoney

Heck, just carry cocaine and use that as the powder, and kill two birds with one stone! Ok THAT deserved a laugh! I have had cops stop and ask me what Im doing, especially if Im snooping behind buildings but never had any oppose to it or pat me down.

I guess that would make sense. My bad. Overlooked that forum

Funny and kind of off topic but is it me or does anyone else fear of getting pulled over and searched only to have the cops go through a back pack of empty pill bottles, tiny baggies, rolls of duct tape and zip ties, etc? I can only imagine! Hopefully they know of the sport, Geocaching cuz that would make one heck of an explanation! LOL

I hope that you don't ever replace a cache without asking the owners permission first. Never replace a cache because you can't find it and then claim it as found. This happened to me this past weekend and i was not happy about it. If you don't find it, you don't find it. Please give the owner the opportunity to take care of it himself and log the cache as dnf. I know some go a long time with dnf and they seemed to be abandoned but it is not up to anyone but the owner to replace it unless you aske them first. Oh no no, If I happen to find a badly damaged or evidence of a missing cache I do contact owner and offer a replacement along with a photo of that replacement if granted. This has happened on 2 different occasions for me and the CO's were very happy someone would take the time and TLC to care for their cache....even if I had to go back a week or so later after permission.

How about "bouncing"? Do actual GPSr's do this as much as cell apps? Especially in high wooded areas....I will start trekking to GZ then my little "blue guy" dead stops...Next thing I know I have passed GZ by 15 feet once it re-registers itself. I didnt know if this was a GSP thing in general or if it happened more on cell phone applications.

I have been using my cell phone since I started Geocaching (Motorola Droid) in Aug of last year. It seemed logical at the time since it was always at hand but then came the inconvenience when a text or call would come in...and lets not even mention the battery usage (I had to purchase a back up). I do want to look into actual GPSr's but Im not sure what I am looking for. I dont want to go cheap and unreliable and I dont want to go over the top and out of my range since I would just use it for the sport. I havent really looked at them but have noticed light ones other cacher friends have worn around their necks and I like that hands-free option. Also do they make them waterproof? I know some of you are probably laughing because I do not know squat about these things but, hey, I gotta know lol. The kids and I tend to do alot of dirty caching - in the water, in the rain, mud etc and the whole "Droid in a baggie" is getting old. And what about function? Do you have to download a geo app of some sort or is it simply a plug and download coords thing? I know, I am a GPSr dummy - need to buy a book or something lol. Someone fill me in please....and give me hints where to buy them Thanx in advance!

I myself use a Droid cell with the Geocaching.com app and occasionally another gps compass tool but when I log, its seems no different of a post as if I would have logged on the pc. Is it just some certain apps that stick that little "hidden advertisement" in there? I do not notice it on mine. Just curious.

WHAT DID ORIGINAL CONTAINER LOOK LIKE?....no answer: my proof. Enough has been said. FORUM LOCKED

Forum "unwatched"...................

WHAT DID ORIGINAL CONTAINER LOOK LIKE?....no answer: my proof. Enough has been said.

Ok wow, this forum so needs to be done. And for the record...geocaching.com had deleted his log and are watching the page. ( I still have email from them saved) As I said before, if some grown adult took the OP to heart when their name wasn't even mentioned, then I would seriously have to look into some self analysis instead of throwing a tantrum. I'm done. I do have a life. Happy caching people!

Heatherlee, ask yourself this: "Was it worth it?" There is no doubt your actions were justified. He claimed the log was wet, when it was not. His signature wan't on the log. He couldn't describe anything about the hunt or the cache. Everything points to his found log being bogus, and Groundspeak will support your deletion. But was it worth it? Consider all the angst this episode has generated. All the stress it has placed you in. If you had posted a simple maintenance log on your cache, noting that the log was dry, and that the previous finder's signature was missing, leaving their find log intact, this whole episode would have been over before it started. Which is more important? Inner peace or being right? You know what, no. Now I think of it, really no. I am under incredible stress and have been hospitalized 3 times in 2 weeks. With having to explain this to 6 children is not easy. I have found something (geocaching) that we are all involved with and can spend some fun time and check out interesting thing together. I may take it a bit seriously but I just expect adults to follow the rules of the sport like we do.

You and Linghoney both need to give this a rest. Your thinly-veiled threat isn't very sporting. Your log is now posted on the cache. She had a right to delete the online log when there was no signature in the cache log, and apparently she deleted a subsequent log due to some potty language. It's all over now, so get on with life. These forums have enough angst, Y'all both should have a donut and chill. Thank you geogeebee. I agree. This is too time consuming. Its bad when I spend more time arguing over a valid decision, than I do geocaching itself right now lol.

I have cancer....my boss knows, thank you. And not that its anyones business but I find geocaching a nice way to spend time with my children, considering.

I have cancer....my boss knows, thank you.

That is fine that you have found the cache now, I'm very happy for you but as others are pointing out, there was no reason to not sign a dry log nor not to remember any aquerate details or even vague ones at that. Sure, I don't find a million caches a day but I also, until recently due to sick leave, worked 12 hrs a day and took my 5 youngest children with me on the hunt...Makes a difficult time to hit a ton in just a couple hrs before sun fall, that doesn't mean I am an unexperienced cacher nor any less of a challenged hunter. There were several reasons why your log was deleted and this was an explained. For one, I do not tolerate ignorance on my families page (ei. TEAM Ling Honey). My 9 and 10 yr olds frequent geocaching.com more than I do. They have even shown it in school. If you had been decent, there wouldn't have been a problem nor had this forum, gone on and on. You fueled the fire, with profanity and name calling. I'm honestly glad you have seeked cache and appropriately signed. If this would have been done on the earlier claimed visit, then we would not be here. If you want to leave a DECENT log on the page, I will not have a problem with that. I'm not that hard to get along with. I have met several cachers out and about and they can admit to this. As for Dr. Fry, you misunderstood what was said. John & Joann White were close friends of my family. I basically grew up at either the digs,at their house with their daughter, or at the ytown playhouse. He was a great guy and I'm sorry to see him gone. I only remember meeting Fry a few times when my dad helped dig up that indian snake thing (can't remember exactly what it was about, I was young). So as for being close with Fry, that's a nada. It was/is the Whites. Oh yeah I DID mention me recently put on sick leave. Just making sure.

So...you are a teacher, huh? Did I NOT just mention I'm on sick leave? Oh wow! LOL

Ummmm, problem there. You were the one to post ignorant things on my page BEFORE the forum got underway. And yes, I did talk to other COs. What we talked about (unless they themselves post here) will be kept between us and they had contacted me on the subject. End of story.

As I mentioned several times, items in cache were barely damp. So in 2 hrs of rain they mysterously dried up, WITH the "wet" log? Hmmmmmmmm and WHAT DID THIS SOAKED CACHE LOOK LIKE?

ok - tell us your side ---- BTW still haven't answered the second question I asked above: So I am curious, why didn't you sign the log the first time around?? -- and why couldn't you describe the cache or location to her? Anyone is more than welcome to look at the pic and draw their own conclusions.......

Ahhh... you should probably go read the forum posting guidelines, my friend. Not to mention the possibility of a libel suit from just that one sentence. NOW DOES EVERYONE SEE WHAT MY FRUSTRATION IS ABOUT! JEESH!!!!!

That is fine that you have found the cache now, I'm very happy for you but as others are pointing out, there was no reason to not sign a dry log nor not to remember any aquerate details or even vague ones at that. Sure, I don't find a million caches a day but I also, until recently due to sick leave, worked 12 hrs a day and took my 5 youngest children with me on the hunt...Makes a difficult time to hit a ton in just a couple hrs before sun fall, that doesn't mean I am an unexperienced cacher nor any less of a challenged hunter. There were several reasons why your log was deleted and this was an explained. For one, I do not tolerate ignorance on my families page (ei. TEAM Ling Honey). My 9 and 10 yr olds frequent geocaching.com more than I do. They have even shown it in school. If you had been decent, there wouldn't have been a problem nor had this forum, gone on and on. You fueled the fire, with profanity and name calling. I'm honestly glad you have seeked cache and appropriately signed. If this would have been done on the earlier claimed visit, then we would not be here. If you want to leave a DECENT log on the page, I will not have a problem with that. I'm not that hard to get along with. I have met several cachers out and about and they can admit to this. As for Dr. Fry, you misunderstood what was said. John & Joann White were close friends of my family. I basically grew up at either the digs,at their house with their daughter, or at the ytown playhouse. He was a great guy and I'm sorry to see him gone. I only remember meeting Fry a few times when my dad helped dig up that indian snake thing (can't remember exactly what it was about, I was young). So as for being close with Fry, that's a nada. It was/is the Whites.

I find this to be a silly argument from somebody that has in the past adamently argued that any cache owner has the right to award extra smilies for alternate reality "finds". You know as well as I and do that signing the physical log is expected before logging online. Not doing so may well be an error that can be explained with a photo or description of the cache. But in most cases - just is a requirement of a find. She needs to stick to her guns. I think awarding extra smileys is silly. What I have probably said before is that cache owners who do this, don't effect the play of the many cachers like you and me who will only log a find if we found the cache. If some cache owner wants to have a cache page full of extra Found It logs because people posted pictures of themselves in yoga poses at the cache site it doesn't really effect me. (Of course if the cache is missing and people are posting finds for what you call an alternate reality find you might argue that someone will waste gas looking for a cache that isn't there. But usually these extra finds are posted along with a legitimate find. And I'm not saying that the OP can't delete what appears to her to be a bogus log, especially if the logger was given a chance to explain and didn't have a satisfactory explanation. But it may have eliminated a lot of angst and a good deal of the name calling had she simply posted that she checked the log a it was dry and the finder name was not in it, but let the log stand anyhow. Worrying that the "score" is wrong because some non-finder is claiming a find is what I find silly. Delete logs if you're certain they are bogus (meaning the person didn't find the cache). While many geocachers routinely sign the log when they find a caches (and there are several good reasons for doing so), the reality is that the online find log has no relationship to whether you signed the physical log other that singing the log may be a good way to prove you found the cache (better than tossing in a gum wrapper with your initials on it). So um, I'm wondering if the gum wrapper thing in this thread WASN'T mentioned, if he would have left a new log with pix of a nice neat, unsoiled, perfectly dry gum wrapper that WAS NOT IN ORIGINAL CACHE. ??? (Why would an experienced cacher use garbage when THE LOG WAS DRY!!! Think about this one.) Seems odd, wasnt in cache and if left outside in the snow/rain, not too mention mud, that it looks pretty darn prestine! I do not have a problem if he wants to be decent,claim a find and post pix that make sense,but if he continues to act ignorant, then its up to geocaching to delete those kind of logs, as they have done. The page is being monitored now. Can't people just be HONEST?

I find this to be a silly argument from somebody that has in the past adamently argued that any cache owner has the right to award extra smilies for alternate reality "finds". You know as well as I and do that signing the physical log is expected before logging online. Not doing so may well be an error that can be explained with a photo or description of the cache. But in most cases - just is a requirement of a find. She needs to stick to her guns. I think awarding extra smileys is silly. What I have probably said before is that cache owners who do this, don't effect the play of the many cachers like you and me who will only log a find if we found the cache. If some cache owner wants to have a cache page full of extra Found It logs because people posted pictures of themselves in yoga poses at the cache site it doesn't really effect me. (Of course if the cache is missing and people are posting finds for what you call an alternate reality find you might argue that someone will waste gas looking for a cache that isn't there. But usually these extra finds are posted along with a legitimate find. And I'm not saying that the OP can't delete what appears to her to be a bogus log, especially if the logger was given a chance to explain and didn't have a satisfactory explanation. But it may have eliminated a lot of angst and a good deal of the name calling had she simply posted that she checked the log a it was dry and the finder name was not in it, but let the log stand anyhow. Worrying that the "score" is wrong because some non-finder is claiming a find is what I find silly. Delete logs if you're certain they are bogus (meaning the person didn't find the cache). While many geocachers routinely sign the log when they find a caches (and there are several good reasons for doing so), the reality is that the online find log has no relationship to whether you signed the physical log other that singing the log may be a good way to prove you found the cache (better than tossing in a gum wrapper with your initials on it).