+Peanuthead Posted October 7, 2002 Share Posted October 7, 2002 I read this on a travel bug log: "Note from ********************: Another virtual bug find thanks to the posted tracking number " My opinion is that this is WEAK. Please note that I deleted the name of the poster (no, the number of spaces is not correct.) I am not a namecaller. This is weak BECAUSE: 1. The poster obviously did not find it the traditional way 2. Most of the time when a travel bug number is posted somewhere it is not done by the owner of the bug, but done by a Newbie finder, or by the media in a photo. Quote Link to comment
Rubbertoe Posted October 7, 2002 Share Posted October 7, 2002 Yeah - anyone that logs a travel bug without actually having it in-hand is a buttmonkey. Seriously, what kind of degenerate likes causing problems for bug owners like this? A simple, fun game... with the occassional fartwad trying to screw it up for everyone else. People like them are no better than people who steal or vandalize caches if you ask me. A bunch of no good crotch-licking jerks. That's about as family friendly as I can be... I think I maintained my composure pretty well. I think my mini-rant will be more accepted than my other idea. I was thinking that we could have a large cache container, perhaps an abandoned dumpster - that we could use for the disposal of body parts of any cache/bug thieves that we catch and dismember. That cache might have a difficult approval process. Click the Toe... and please stop confusing your opinion with fact, ok? Quote Link to comment
+cachew nut Posted October 9, 2002 Share Posted October 9, 2002 I guess I'm guilty of that as well. I've logged a virtual bug find and then deleted it. I've done it twice so far, once as a find, and once as a note. after doing it I've deleted the post. In each case it remains on the MY CACHE PAGE. No harm done and I did not mess with mileage. To me, it's a virtual find and if I see more opportunities, I will do it again. Whether you delete the post or not, it's still a find. I've quit moving travel bugs because no matter what you do, you end up getting emails from the owners that you are moving them to slow, or too fast, or in the wrong direction, or you are getting them to their goal too fast, etc. I like finding them this way, and if anyone has a problem with that, then they should attach a note to the bug telling the movers not to publicly post the numbers. Quote Link to comment
+cachew nut Posted October 9, 2002 Share Posted October 9, 2002 I should note, that if you make a travel bug log and then delete it, it does not count on your travel bug count in your profile, it just lists that bug as a found on your own MY CACHE PAGE and nowhere else. Quote Link to comment
Rubbertoe Posted October 9, 2002 Share Posted October 9, 2002 quote:Originally posted by cachew nut:...if anyone has a problem with that, then they should attach a note to the bug telling the movers not to publicly post the numbers. You shouldn't have to tell people that. Common sense should tell someone that if you reveal the number to people, that there will probably be someone out there who will log that bug without actually having it. What good is claiming that you "found" a bug if you haven't even seen it? Just falsely inflating another statistic to make yourself feel better? How is a "virtual" bug find any different from a "virtual" cache find? I can see the log now... October 8 by Rubbertoe (14 found)You can [edit], [delete] or [permanently encrypt]this log entry.First cache of several that I went hunting for today.I didn't actually find this cache, but I saw a pictureof the cache location, so that is good enough for me.Woohoo! My first find of the day and I never left my chair! Quote Link to comment
+Egnix Posted October 10, 2002 Share Posted October 10, 2002 quote:Originally posted by cachew nut:To me, it's a virtual find and if I see more opportunities, I will do it again. With that logic you should be logging every cache you hear about. You have the cache number, maybe see a picture or two - like Mr. RubberToe said - another virtual find! Within the last week I saw someone post a pic of someone's bug and the pic included the TB #, and I also saw a cache log of someone saying "I found TB #" and in both cases I emailed them and pointed out that the # they posted could be used maliciously. In the first case the person said they never even thought about the TB # showing (they were just taking a pic of the bug), and the second case turned out to be a newbie making an innocent mistake. So, sometimes it's an accident, sometimes it's ignorance. I don't see the need to waste your time, make false claims, and punishing the bug owner for these things Quote Link to comment
+cachew nut Posted October 10, 2002 Share Posted October 10, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Rubbertoe: What good is claiming that you "found" a bug if you haven't even seen it? Just falsely inflating another statistic to make yourself feel better? How is a "virtual" bug find any different from a "virtual" cache find? I can see the log now... What possible difference could it make to you if I want to do this? If I post a note or a find to a travel bug that I found virtually online, and then delete it, it does not effect the true score of my find count, nor is there a record of it on the travel bug page, and I don't mess up the mileage because I don't claim to have moved the bug. Actually, there is no trace that this was done when I'm done, except for an email to anyone who was watching the bug. The score of my cache finds and my bug finds still are accurate and my way of virtually finding a travel bug is transparent to everyone, and has no effect on the bug and it's mission. If I didn't mention it, no one would know. Why do I do it? Because I want to and the system lets me. If common sense should tell someone not to post the number, then your are assuming that everyone playing the game uses common sense. There's your problem, you made the wrong assumption. To answer your question about how it differs from an actual cache... it is not a cache, but a bug. I don't hold travel bugs in high regard as others may, as a matter of fact, I've vowed not to move any more when I find them. I'll write down the number and log them, but they will stay put. Are you going to say now that it is not a find because I didn't move it? Then change the rules if you don't like it. You play the bug game your way, I'll play the bug game my way, like I said, there is no harm done, and all of the scores remain accurate. If you don't want virtual bug finds on your travel bug, then post it on the page. That's where you get to make up the rules for the bug. I'll honor your rules. Don't blame me because you forgot to post this on your page, it's your mistake, not mine. People use bugs for whatever reason they want, some never let them go out in the wild at all, they just use them to track their own movements. Quoting the travel bug page: quote:Q. What does a Travel Bug do? A. It's really up to the owner of the bug to give it whatever task they desire. Or no task at all. The fun of a travel bug is inventing new ideas or goals for the Travel Bug to achieve. One Bug's goal may be to reach a specific country, or travel to 10 countries. Maybe instead of judging me on how I have my fun, you should concentrate on having your own, instead of making up new rules after the fact. Quote Link to comment
+parkrrrr Posted October 10, 2002 Share Posted October 10, 2002 quote:Originally posted by cachew nut: quote:Originally posted by Rubbertoe: What good is claiming that you "found" a bug if you haven't even seen it? Just falsely inflating another statistic to make yourself feel better? How is a "virtual" bug find any different from a "virtual" cache find? I can see the log now... What possible difference could it make to you if I want to do this? If I post a note or a find to a travel bug that I found virtually online, and then delete it, it does not effect the true score of my find count, nor is there a record of it on the travel bug page, and I don't mess up the mileage because I don't claim to have moved the bug. Actually, there is no trace that this was done when I'm done, except for an email to anyone who was watching the bug. How do you do this without "virtually" removing the bug from the cache it was in? Sure, if you actually saw it in the cache you can log it out and then right back in again with your log for that cache, but if you got the number from a picture or a log entry, you can't log it back into the cache without also logging a "virtual" find for the cache. Quote Link to comment
+cachew nut Posted October 10, 2002 Share Posted October 10, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Warm Fuzzies - Fuzzy: How do you do this without "virtually" removing the bug from the cache it was in? Sure, if you actually saw it in the cache you can log it out and then right back in again with your log for that cache, but if you got the number from a picture or a log entry, you can't log it back into the cache without also logging a "virtual" find for the cache. Just posting a note on the travel bug page and then deleting it will list the bug on your MY CACHE PAGE, but will not affect the score of your actual "real" bug finds or the mileage. Also, if you do log it out as a find and then log it back in to the same cache, and then delete both logs,it will list the bug on your MY CACHE PAGE, but will not affect the score of your actual "real" bug finds or the mileage. Quote Link to comment
+cachew nut Posted October 10, 2002 Share Posted October 10, 2002 Just found another, make that 3 virtual bug finds. Quote Link to comment
+Egnix Posted October 10, 2002 Share Posted October 10, 2002 I guess if it doesn't affect the bug's milage I don't have a that much of a problem with it. Still sounds silly though. Do you keep track of all numbers that you see as you go about the day? Quote Link to comment
+welch Posted October 10, 2002 Share Posted October 10, 2002 quote:Originally posted by cachew nut:Just found another, make that 3 virtual bug finds. can you remind me why your watching all these virtual bugs?? Quote Link to comment
+cachew nut Posted October 10, 2002 Share Posted October 10, 2002 quote:Originally posted by welch: can you remind me why your watching all these virtual bugs?? I'm not watching any travel bugs. Quote Link to comment
+cachew nut Posted October 10, 2002 Share Posted October 10, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Egnix:I guess if it doesn't affect the bug's milage I don't have a that much of a problem with it. Still sounds silly though. Do you keep track of all numbers that you see as you go about the day? I don't keep track, if I log a virtual find then it's a spur of the moment thing, sometimes I do it and sometimes I don't. I've passed on plenty of opportunities. I'll log them if I want to have some fun. Quote Link to comment
+Nurse Dave Posted October 10, 2002 Share Posted October 10, 2002 'nuf said. ---Real men cache in shorts. Quote Link to comment
+Whosit and Whosits Girl Posted October 10, 2002 Share Posted October 10, 2002 I just wish that people who take the travel bugs would report them taken and then move them on to the next cache. To many are just being kept. Quote Link to comment
Rubbertoe Posted October 10, 2002 Share Posted October 10, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Egnix:I guess if it doesn't affect the bug's milage I don't have a that much of a problem with it. Still sounds silly though. Do you keep track of all numbers that you see as you go about the day? *laugh* Yeah - as long as what he is doing doesn't affect mileage of peoples' bugs, I don't have a problem with it. I don't think it makes sense, and I think it is silly - but I don't have a problem with it. If someone goes to a cache but doesn't wanna move the bug from it - fine, log the bug - just don't mess up the mileage on it. But seeing a bug's number online and claiming it as a find seems goofy to me. quote:Originally posted by cashew nut:Why do I do it? Because I want to and the system lets me. If common sense should tell someone not to post the number, then your are assuming that everyone playing the game uses common sense. There's your problem, you made the wrong assumption. Umm... are you referring to yourself with that remark? And, heh, I'm hardly one to ever assume that a geocacher has common sense. I've got detailed instructions on all of my bugs, because I DON'T assume most people will know what to do with it. And, I know that you do it because "you want to" - obviously you wouldn't do it if you didn't want to. What I was asking was, WHY do you want to do that? I'm genuinely curious what reason you have for doing that, other than "because you can." quote:Originally posted by cashew nut:If you don't want virtual bug finds on your travel bug, then post it on the page. That's where you get to make up the rules for the bug. I'll honor your rules. Don't blame me because you forgot to post this on your page, it's your mistake, not mine. Perhaps I should also put a note on my travel bug pages telling people not to stick them up their *** as well? I wouldn't want people to assume that I think it is okay for them to do that, so I better put directions forbidding it on my pages, eh? *laugh* Do what ya want, pal... as long as it doesn't dork up the accuracy of a bug's travels - like you said, it doesn't matter. quote:Originally posted by cashew nut:I don't keep track, if I log a virtual find then it's a spur of the moment thing, sometimes I do it and sometimes I don't. I've passed on plenty of opportunities. I'll log them if I want to have some fun. Finding numbers online and logging them as finds is your idea of fun? *laugh* I think I have to agree with Nurse Dave and Lkay here. -=<- The Toe Pages ->==-- Quote Link to comment
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