+DonB Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 Somebody that knows more about the rules help me out here. There was a cache published a week or so ago and I'm sure the original description said the person had permission to hide it on land owned by the local college. The 28th on my way to an event cache I stopped and did it. Found it, signed the log and put it back. Now I see it has been archived because of permission issues, so the person that owns it moved it to a new location and deleted my log and I assume everyone else's that found it. I can't see because his permission was revoked that the people that found it before that would lose the find. I've seen many caches have the coordinates updated, but the people that found it prior to that didn't lose the find. Quote Link to comment
+Harry Dolphin Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 The cache owner should not have deleted the Found It logs. The cache existed, and you found it. (I found one cache that was redacted. I still have the smiley, even though I cannot look at the page!) That being said, the cache owner can do whatever he wants. Quote Link to comment
Keystone Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 I don't understand... you cannot move an archived cache and re-establish it as a new cache using the same cache page. Could you provide a link to what you're talking about? Quote Link to comment
+J-Way Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 The OP was slightly confusing... I can see two possible sequences of events here: Option 1: - Cache was published, the description said with permission - You (and others) found the cache at the original coordinates - Owner disabled cache because of "permission issues" - Owner retrieved container, moved it somewhere else, and updated the listed coordinates for the same cache - Owner deleted all original "Found It" logs on cache Option 2: - Cache was published, the description said with permission - You (and others) found the cache at the original coordinates - Owner archived cache because of "permission issues" - Owner retrieved container, moved it somewhere else, and listed it as a new cache - Owner deleted all "Found It" logs on original cache If option 1, it's possible the owner deleted all original finds because you didn't find the cache it its current location. While technically true, this is a petty distinction and the orinal finds should stand. Ultimately, though, it's up to the owner. If I were you I'd wait a bit and re-log it as a new find instead of fighting over the original log. If option 2, it's possible the owner deleted all finds on the original cache out of spite. Something like "if he isn't allowed to list the cache, then you aren't allowed to claim a find on it". But this is just a guess. Again a petty action by the owner, but the owner has all the authority here. How about providing a link, or a cache name, or waypoint ID so we can check it out? Quote Link to comment
+DonB Posted July 1, 2008 Author Share Posted July 1, 2008 I don't understand... you cannot move an archived cache and re-establish it as a new cache using the same cache page. Could you provide a link to what you're talking about? It seems to be a screw-up, I don't know. I don't think this group has been caching very long. I don't know the exact dates, but the cache was put out a week or two ago, so Saturday I stopped and did it, and as I said in my first post, I'm pretty sure the original cache page said they had permission from the college to put it on their land. This morning I got an email that my log was deleted because of permission issues and that the cache was archived. I think I was the third or forth person to find it so I assume their logs were also deleted. Anyway you cut it, it doesn't seem right, we all found it before it was archived. I realize being a cache owner is kind of like running a dictatorship, but even the cache owners must have some rules and guidelines they have to go by. The cache in question is called "Splits" GC1D2AG Quote Link to comment
+ArcherDragoon Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 Three archived caches...all but one have no logs...but their notes/comments on the pages make it sound like they don't total understand the "Archived" concept...you just might be out of luck on this...unless you can explain to them that archiving a cache doesn't mean "deleting" the cache and the logs placed on it...looks to be a case of misunderstanding... Quote Link to comment
+infiniteMPG Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 (edited) The cache in question is called "Splits" GC1D2AGYou can archive a cache and create a new one with totally identical listing to the old one, including the name, but the GC code would be different so all new finds. After looking at the listing your best bet would be to email the owner and explain your situation and ask him if you can log a find onto the archived cache. Or you could just try to add the log for your find back yourself (with the right date, dates after archiving would be a tad suspicious) and note in the log that your log should not of been deleted as it was a valid find. The page let me go to the "log your visit" entry which had "found it" as a choice, but I didn't try logging a find. Never tried logging on an archived cache but don't see how it would hurt to try. Just be careful with your wording to try to avoid this one being deleted, too. Actually I take that back, we did find a cache while on vacation and when we got back it had been archived. We still logged our find because we found it prior to it being archived. You should be okay to just enter your find again but explain that it should not be deleted just because the cache was archived. Edited July 1, 2008 by infiniteMPG Quote Link to comment
+Walts Hunting Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 I had the same thing happen in Burns Oregon. It was a new cacher and after clearing up the erroneous part of the multi he deleted all the found logs to start over. A note to the reviewer and he reinstated all the logs. The placer did not know that deleteing the logs eliminated the find. Remember nothing is ever thrown away in the compouter world. The reviewer can probably reactivate the logs. Quote Link to comment
+DonB Posted July 3, 2008 Author Share Posted July 3, 2008 I emailed the cache owner and explained the concept of archiving instead of deleting. She emailed me back and explained that what happened was she got permission from someone at the college to hide it and then another woman at the college found out about the hide and got all irate. She emailed the owner and told her the man that gave her permission didn't have the authority to do so and that she better delete the cache or else. At that point the owner got shook up and did exactly what the woman told her to do....deleted the cache. I don't know what the other people that found the cache did but she said it was alright for me to re-log it. Probably what she should have done was email the reviewer and have him reinstate the logs. Quote Link to comment
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