gerboa Posted April 10, 2006 Posted April 10, 2006 Check out "perplexity" I've spent last 3 days, even got a tip from the setter..but still struggling in a world of bombes and steckers Pair of solvers took 5 days Quote
+donbadabon Posted April 10, 2006 Posted April 10, 2006 What's up with the "NO group caching" statement on the page? That seems rather odd to me. Is that a normal statement in that area? If I was team caching, and found it as part of a team, I would log it as such. Quote
gerboa Posted April 10, 2006 Author Posted April 10, 2006 What's up with the "NO group caching" statement on the page? That seems rather odd to me. Is that a normal statement in that area? If I was team caching, and found it as part of a team, I would log it as such. It might be a clue Quote
+Brian - Team A.I. Posted April 15, 2006 Posted April 15, 2006 It has nothing to do with the attitude of the area, and team caching is an acceptable aspect to it. However, given the effort put into getting everything just right as I see it, I didn't want other cacher banding together (team a, team b, team c and team d) to collectively go out and search for it if fewer than one person from each team had done the work and solved the puzzle. Quote
gerboa Posted April 15, 2006 Author Posted April 15, 2006 It has nothing to do with the attitude of the area, and team caching is an acceptable aspect to it. However, given the effort put into getting everything just right as I see it, I didn't want other cacher banding together (team a, team b, team c and team d) to collectively go out and search for it if fewer than one person from each team had done the work and solved the puzzle. Having read all Team A.I's posts and googled the owner,, 8000 hits, I do believe the quoted post is another clue. Now I've got a bombe runnung, could you place another puzle of this type please pretty please.? Quote
+Clezlec Posted April 17, 2006 Posted April 17, 2006 (edited) try this one out... I solved it, only to log a DNF http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_detai...ba-9d88a72866a6 Edited April 17, 2006 by Clezlec Quote
+starcr250 Posted April 17, 2006 Posted April 17, 2006 Heres one that hasn't ever been solved. San-fran-CISCO! good luck if you can get it! Quote
+fizzymagic Posted April 17, 2006 Posted April 17, 2006 Are you folks under the impression that an unsolvable puzzle is a good puzzle? Weird. Making an impossible puzzle is completely trivial. In fact, when making a puzzle cache, it is very easy to make it much more difficult than you intended. I am not particularly impressed by any of the puzzles mentioned in this thread; in fact, in at least one case it looks like the hider is trying to prove how smart he is by placing an unsolvable puzzle. Believe me, having a puzzle out there for a year unsolved is not an indication of a good puzzle cache. Quote
+Googling Hrpty Hrrs Posted April 17, 2006 Posted April 17, 2006 Are you folks under the impression that an unsolvable puzzle is a good puzzle? Weird. Making an impossible puzzle is completely trivial. In fact, when making a puzzle cache, it is very easy to make it much more difficult than you intended. I am not particularly impressed by any of the puzzles mentioned in this thread; in fact, in at least one case it looks like the hider is trying to prove how smart he is by placing an unsolvable puzzle. Believe me, having a puzzle out there for a year unsolved is not an indication of a good puzzle cache. That's kinda what I was thinking. Seems like a "straight to the ignore list" cache for me. Quote
hannieIII Posted April 17, 2006 Posted April 17, 2006 NSA use them for practice, there's always a solution, folks don't have either the ability, time or inclination. Quote
+Adrenalynn Posted April 17, 2006 Posted April 17, 2006 NSA use them for practice, there's always a solution, folks don't have either the ability, time or inclination. One name: KRYPTOS eyup. Always solvable. Some just take a century or so... Quote
+ExTechOp Posted April 17, 2006 Posted April 17, 2006 Try out Decimal Primes -- it depends on your background if it's extremely hard or trivial for you. Quote
+nfa Posted April 17, 2006 Posted April 17, 2006 I could make a puzzle cache in 20 minutes this afternoon that nobody will be able to solve for all time...that would not make it a good cache (in my opinion)...a cache should be possible to solve with a level of difficulty proportional to it's difficulty rating. Jamie - NFA Quote
Ghengis Jon Posted April 17, 2006 Posted April 17, 2006 The best one I've heard about was set by a friend of a friend. To date, only one person has found it; he signed the paper log, but did not log it on-line. Its an urban cache, in a highly cluttered area. The cache owner mounted a hollowed out, stolen (!!!) security camera on the side of a building and thats the cache! Quote
+Cache Liberation Front Posted April 17, 2006 Posted April 17, 2006 Are you folks under the impression that an unsolvable puzzle is a good puzzle? Weird. Making an impossible puzzle is completely trivial. In fact, when making a puzzle cache, it is very easy to make it much more difficult than you intended. I am not particularly impressed by any of the puzzles mentioned in this thread; in fact, in at least one case it looks like the hider is trying to prove how smart he is by placing an unsolvable puzzle. Believe me, having a puzzle out there for a year unsolved is not an indication of a good puzzle cache. I agree 100%, well said. It's easy to create something so esoteric it's unsolvable. It's much more difficult to create a FUN, unique puzzle which most all geocachers can solve, given a modicum of time and thought. Best, Mr. W. Quote
+team kweb cakes Posted June 5, 2006 Posted June 5, 2006 I would like to disagree. I helped create San-Fran-Cisco. For every puzzle there has to be a solution. You have to show the approver how it is solved. I could create an unsolveable puzzle. The point is that has to be solveable though. I can also say that I used to absolutely HATE puzzle caches. I mean HATE. The more I do however, the more my brain works. The more I struggle mentally with it. And remember that everyone plays the game a little differently. Quote
+Airmapper Posted June 5, 2006 Posted June 5, 2006 NSA use them for practice, there's always a solution, folks don't have either the ability, time or inclination. One name: KRYPTOS eyup. Always solvable. Some just take a century or so... Yes, KRYPTOS is a hard one!!! Quote
+Team Tigger International Posted June 5, 2006 Posted June 5, 2006 (edited) Take your pick. Messenger's Demise has it's own thread and still is not close to being solved. Shelter III Not a puzzle but still a puzzling cache. Wulf Edited June 5, 2006 by Team Tigger International Quote
+Ichabod Posted June 5, 2006 Posted June 5, 2006 Are you folks under the impression that an unsolvable puzzle is a good puzzle? Weird. Making an impossible puzzle is completely trivial. In fact, when making a puzzle cache, it is very easy to make it much more difficult than you intended. I am not particularly impressed by any of the puzzles mentioned in this thread; in fact, in at least one case it looks like the hider is trying to prove how smart he is by placing an unsolvable puzzle. Believe me, having a puzzle out there for a year unsolved is not an indication of a good puzzle cache. I agree 100%, well said. It's easy to create something so esoteric it's unsolvable. It's much more difficult to create a FUN, unique puzzle which most all geocachers can solve, given a modicum of time and thought. Best, Mr. W. I love puzzle caches, but they do often seem VERY esoteric. In fact, I think I will one day create a puzzle cache titled "Just another esoteric puzzle cache." For the record, my favorite puzzle caches have been those that get you started in the right direction, or provide some "in" to the puzzle. π is a fun one around here. Quote
salmoned Posted June 6, 2006 Posted June 6, 2006 (edited) Are you folks under the impression that an unsolvable puzzle is a good puzzle? Weird. Making an impossible puzzle is completely trivial. In fact, when making a puzzle cache, it is very easy to make it much more difficult than you intended. I am not particularly impressed by any of the puzzles mentioned in this thread; in fact, in at least one case it looks like the hider is trying to prove how smart he is by placing an unsolvable puzzle. Believe me, having a puzzle out there for a year unsolved is not an indication of a good puzzle cache. Agreed, an unsolvable puzzle is moot. However, just because a puzzle goes unsolved doesn't mean it's unsolvable, or even that it's difficult. What makes for a good puzzle is the expansion of consciousness necessary to find the solution. Some very easy puzzles are also very good (and some are not), some very difficult puzzles are a waste of time (and some are not). I believe my unsolved puzzle is very good, but I may be mistaken. The answer must be found in the heart of the finder(s). In any case, I believe having unsolved puzzles "out there" is good for the community. Edited June 6, 2006 by salmoned Quote
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