+lj1983 Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 we were down in North Carolina a while back and found a benchmark at the summit of Cold Mountain...unfortunately i can't find it in the geocaching listing, any thoughts? 35.40995N 82.85932W the nearest BM i found is down at the Trailhead, at Camp Daniel Boone. Quote Link to comment
ArtMan Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 we were down in North Carolina a while back and found a benchmark at the summit of Cold Mountain...unfortunately i can't find it in the geocaching listing, any thoughts?Probably it's not in the Geocaching database. Most marks aren't. See the FAQ, especially the section near the bottom of the page, "I found a benchmark, but it isn't in your database. Why?." Hope you had a nice hike! -ArtMan- Quote Link to comment
dfred Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 FYI: it appears to be FB3123... and it is indeed not listed in the GC database. Quote Link to comment
DaveD Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 This is not FB3123 which is a much older mark set by the Coast and Geodetic Survey. As can be noted from the image this is a mark of the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) and unfortunately, the data for most of the marks set by USGS has never been automated and sent to NGS for inclusion in the National Spatial Reference System. I have access to a complete listing of the USGS data in the NGS archives and will check on this station when I'm in the office tomorrow. Quote Link to comment
dfred Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 (edited) Oops, my bad... Additionally, I should have noticed the date and coordinates were quite a ways off. Edited April 9, 2006 by dfred Quote Link to comment
+Black Dog Trackers Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 lj1983 - If you like, you can log that disk here at the Recovered US Benchmarks site, which is made for logging those disks that are not in the regular geocaching benchmark database. Quote Link to comment
+lj1983 Posted April 10, 2006 Author Share Posted April 10, 2006 ouch! got the 'read the faq' line. i read it, just somehow switched in my mind NGS for the USGS on the BM. anywho, thanks for all the help. Quote Link to comment
Wintertime Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 I have access to a complete listing of the USGS data in the NGS archives ... Dave, do you mean in paper form? Because if you've got access to an electronic listing of the USGS data, I know I speak for a lot of people here when I say, "Any way that can be put online?" Patty Quote Link to comment
DaveD Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 We have virtually all of the USGS horizontal and vertical control data in the same paper format that they provide. It has been the responsibility of USGS to automate their data, which unfortunately I can guarantee will never happen. We are currently negotiating with USGS to take over the responses to the public about their data as part of an organizational down-sizing they are going through. But that will be some time away at this point. Quote Link to comment
mloser Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 Dave, Am I reading the datasheet for FB3123 correctly? Is that mark actually the MOUNTAIN itself? Quote Link to comment
Wintertime Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Thanks for the information, Dave. Please keep us posted on any changes in USGS information availability. Patty Quote Link to comment
2oldfarts (the rockhounders) Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 (edited) Dave, Am I reading the datasheet for FB3123 correctly? Is that mark actually the MOUNTAIN itself? I'm not Dave, but - there are many such 'Marker Types=3' that are Mountain peaks. Some have a another benchmark at the top also, some not. Another one that we are fortunate enough to live close to is Mollies Nipple PID #HO0540. We have heard that people can see this up at Bryce Canyon National Park and several other spots miles away. We can see it coming down from the North Rim of the Grand Canyon as well as from our one cache 'Mollies Nipple' that is along HWY 89 in Utah Check out the gallery on that cache. If you ever go on vacation out west...there are quite a few 'Mountain Peak' PID's. Shirley~ Edited April 11, 2006 by 2oldfarts (the rockhounders) Quote Link to comment
mloser Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Shirley, are you sure you aren't Dave? Who would be most glad to hear that? John or Dave??? I have seen that type of monument listing before, although I have never SEEN that type of monument, if you know what I mean--I haven't run across any of them in my area, which is more like rolling hills than mountains (I wouldn't say there are none though, just none so far in my travels). My concern is that we are talking about different things in this thread--Dave said that FB3123 is an older mark "set" by the CGS, which to me meant SET, but to Dave it might not have. The monuent type is Mountain Peak, and the first report says OBSERVED as opposed to MONUMENTED. The 2001 and 2004 reports are obviously incorrect because they reference the disk we have pictured at the top of this thread, but I believe we are thinking "disk" and we need to think "peak" (I assume it is somewhat pointy) is the station, a third order one. There IS no disk for this PID. Dave (who isn't Shirley), am I reading and thinking right? And what a great name for a mountain--Mollies Nipple. It makes the 8 year old in me giggle. I am not sure I could say it out loud. I looked at the gallery on your cache page and can see how the name came about though, in a less politically correct age. Quote Link to comment
+Klemmer Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Not directly on subject, but I can't resist. We also have a local peak with a similar locally used name. When placing a geocache there, I just couldn't..... So: Collis Papilla was created instead! Hint: there's a link to a Latin dictionary on the cache page. Quote Link to comment
Wintertime Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 (edited) Am I reading the datasheet for FB3123 correctly? Is that mark actually the MOUNTAIN itself? Yes, and note in the NGS data sheet that someone keeps sending in recovery reports on the 1934 benchmark, even though it's clear from the logs that (1) FB3123 is the mountain itself, not a metal disk; and (2) it was originally designated as a survey station in 1875, decades before the 1934 mark was installed. Patty Edited April 12, 2006 by Wintertime Quote Link to comment
DaveD Posted April 13, 2006 Share Posted April 13, 2006 I have reviewed the project reports from the 1875 survey and they indicate that "signals" were constructed on several monuntain peaks in this region that were observed as part of the regional triangulation. These signals were built on the highest point of the hills and the points at their base where never marked. As the picture shows, in 1934 USGS set a mark close to where the old observations were taken to however after a careful search of their published data I have been unable to find where they ever completed the survey. It did sometimes occur that marks would be set by USGS, C&GS or NGS and never observed for various reason. Quote Link to comment
+GEO*Trailblazer 1 Posted April 13, 2006 Share Posted April 13, 2006 Here is another. Mountian Peak. BISHOPS CAP MTN CX1673 Or as we always called it Pyramid Peak. I have been to the Top but not since I started Geocaching/Benchmarking. There is a Disc there. BISHOP CX1672 Not as good as Mollies though. Quote Link to comment
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