Intended Multi Find?

[gridlox]

Has anyone placed a cache (other than a TB Hotel) with intentions of finders coming back at a later time to find it?

 

Would this be a challenge that you would consider fun? Let me explain...

 

I am thinking about placing a Micro/Log Only find.(Don't blast me for being "Lame", yet!!)

In an area downtown.

Under normal day to day conditions it will be a relatively easy urban Micro find.

 

THEN--- In the very near future, over the period of two days we are going to be having a festival in the exact same spot that the cache will be hid.

On this day there will be upwards of 8,000 - 10,000 "people" in this area (I say "people" because I know for a fact that several Geocachers will be in attendance so Muggles won't work)

The cache will be right in the middle of all the action.

 

Actually finding it before hand would benefit you in accomplishing the temporary challenge attached to the cache.

 

So, the challenge would be:

•To go back (or find it) on one of those two days and sign the log again(or the first time).

•Then post "note" (or find) on the cache page on one of the two days.

•Contact me by email with their mailing address.

 

I have designed a event commemorative signature poker chip as a reward for all that complete the requirements "On Those Two Days Only". Since this isn't a Geocaching event, it will just be a regular Micro at other times.

 

Of course you "WILL" have to sign the log in the cache or it will be "NO JOY!"

 

Would you be game!?!

 

Hopefully this will be yearly event for our city and the challenge can be repeated every year about the same time. This is the 3rd year we've hosted the event. But since it's a "rolling" festival that "tours" "Georgia" & the route changes every year. It's possible we may not be a "host city" in other years.

 

D-man

Edited February 12, 2005 by gridlox

[+BlueDeuce]

I don't know. It seems like you are cutting a very fine line between a temporary cache and a temporary cache tied to an event.

 

To be honest, I don't completely understand your plan, so I won't naysay it. Others might have an opinion but I suggest explaining it all to an approver.

[gridlox]

NO, it's not a temporary cache.

 

The Micro would be there permanently. (Well as permanent as any cache could be)

 

Just there would be a special reward for finding it on those two specific days that the "Muggle Risk" factor would be at "Alert Level:RED"

 

Since it's a non-Geocaching event, would this be considered an event cache?

Even though the cache itself is not really there per say to promote the event.

But just a extra challenge on those two days to the difficulty of the cache. Hence the offered reward to say you found it on those days.

 

Normally this area is nothing more than a large transfer spot for the local transit department.

 

D-man

[+GRANPA ALEX]

Since folks will be only logging ONE actual find, using a 'note' for a second visit - it should be fine if you want the work associated with this type of idea. Just do what you say and be sure to award what you promise . . . I say, go for it - sounds really great.

 

If it moves to another venue in another year, why can't you move with it - do another cache yourself, if it is close, or get a local cacher to sponsor but you continue to support the awards.

Edited February 12, 2005 by GRANPA ALEX

[+fly46]

My understanding is they get to log it twice. Other caches have special logging issues to get a second smiley.

 

I used one of mine for a poker run once and let anyone who had already found it log it again if they went to it during the run.

 

I have a friend who has one that you can log it once if you find it with under 1000 finds, but there are special requirements to logging it if you have 1k or more - and if you logged it with less than 1k you can log it again once you reach that point.

 

So if what you're asking is "can i put a regular cache here and let them log it once" the answer is of course yes. If you're also asking "can I do a special logging thing for these two (or howevermany) days and allow them a second find" the answer is yes.

[gridlox]

If it moves to another venue in another year, why can't you move with it - do another cache yourself, if it is close, or get a local cacher to sponsor but you continue to support the awards.

Actually, I'd like to see some others jump on and create this into a multi in addition to each one being individual caches.

 

To award special prizes like I want to do would be totally up to them though, if they want to put forth the effort needed to do it.

 

This years event covers 10 cities or towns over the period of 6 days. With each hosting their own events in relation to the larger event.

"ALL in the state of Georgia."

 

But then that may make this an event cache??? Any thoughts??

 

Like I said, this wouldn't be to promote the event on my part (one of the reasons I haven't posted a link to the event's website), just I thought it'd be fun to have that special challenge on the days it's in town.

 

D-man

[+RoyalRed]

I think the only cachers you would get to log again would those only concerned with the numbers. Why would anyone want to fight a crowd of 8000 to 10,000 people to log in a micro for the second time? Added to this you are requesting them to only log in as note so this would eliminate those trying to inflate their find numbers. Another issue will be grabbing the cache in the presence of that many muggles. Seems to me you are basically "throwing the cache to the wolves" as this cache has little chance of being picked up without someone observing this. I would bet the cache doesn't make through half the day before going AWOL.

 

Guess I just don't understand the whole concept.

Edited February 13, 2005 by RoyalRed

[gridlox]

 

Hmmmp! I thought having a little creativity by adding a extra challenge (be it temporary) and rewarding those that accepted & completed the challenge would seem like a good idea for adding a little fun to an otherwise lame "Dash & Cache" hide.

 

Guess not!?!

[+WRITE SHOP ROBERT]

That sounds like a really unique challenge. Go for it.

 

Why would anyone want to fight a crowd of 8000 to 10,000 people to log in a micro for the second time?

Ummm......to get the special poker chip prize, maybe?

 

I used one of mine for a poker run once and let anyone who had already found it log it again if they went to it during the run.

That sounds EXACTLY the same to me. Edited February 14, 2005 by WRITE SHOP ROBERT

[+Kit Fox]

Hmmmp! I thought having a little creativity by adding a extra challenge (be it temporary) and rewarding those that accepted & completed the challenge would seem like a good idea for adding a little fun to an otherwise lame "Dash & Cache" hide.

 

Guess not!?! 

 

Here is my take on this idea. I think it stinks.

 

The majority of cachers I know don't like to find caches when they have 10,000 people looking at them.

 

If cachers are actually bold enough to try and retrieve the cache, they will be seen by onlookers, and they might get questioned by Law Enforcement.

 

The cache wont make it through the day.

 

Being watched by that many people is not a challenge nor would it be fun. This is not worth a "Poker Chip" prize.

 

If you put a check for million dollars in the micro, then there would be some incentive to go and find it.

Edited February 14, 2005 by Kit Fox

[+sbell111]

hmmm.

 

I think it sounds fine. I'm not sure that I would attempt it on the busy day, but I might.

[gridlox]

Here is my take on this idea. I think it stinks.

OK Sorry you feel that way.

 

I was thinking that it might be something that people would consider fun, to be able to act like a "secret agent super spy " and try to pull a dead drop right in the public eye.

 

But I guess not.

 

Maybe how I have it envisioned in my mind really isn't feasible in reality.

 

At first I was just taking the first few negative post with a grain of salt, but I'm having a more open mind to what you guys think, now.

 

Anybody else like to weigh in on this one?

 

Thanks for your opinions & constructive criticisms.

 

Honestly!!

 

D-man

[+ibycus]

I think the idea in general isn't bad. Maybe even allow a second smiley for logging during the event, *but* I don't think it is feasible. I think the chances of it being muggled early on are approaching unity (i.e. you'll never see it after the day of the event). The problem is then how do you validate the second find once the cache is gone?

 

That being said, if you hide it, they will come.

[gridlox]

The problem is then how do you validate the second find once the cache is gone?

Or for "any" finds on those days?

 

Good question!!

 

I hadn't even thought of that.

That would present a problem, huh?

 

Thanks guys, you've brought up some good points that I hadn't really considered.

(Now that I've opened my mind to suggestions )

 

I think I will still hide the micro in this area, but drop the 2 day challenge.

 

Now, that that's settled...

 

Would this cache be considered non-compliant if I were to include the festival, dates, and activity that is going to happen on those two days in the cache description as part of the explaination as to why I am placing this cache and why it has some sort of meaning to me.

 

Even though the micro will be there permanently.

 

Actually something pretty cool in sports history was a part of the festival last year at this spot is the reason I want to place the cache here.

Unless I were to give an explaination in the cache description about what happened here and it's significance to another major international event that occured in the same year, it would really have no meaning to someone that wasn't a fan of this sport.

 

I guess that if there were some big memorial or commemorative plaque marking the spot, it could be construed to be a "Virtual".

But unless you have the cache discription to read you'd never know what occured here and it's just another Urban Micro in a small town.

 

D-man

[gridlox]

Something else I just thought about as a reason not to have the challenge attached.

 

Once the participants finish the event for the day they are escorted to a secure area until awards presentations. These areas are completely unaccessible unless you are a event sponsor or part of one of the teams.

 

Being that I have no idea as to where that would be, it's possible the cache could end up inside that secure area and be completely unaccessible that day!!

 

This will be the third year for the event here in town and the secure area has been in two different spots in the previous two years! So I'm sure it will probably be in a different area this time too.

 

Score "that" find on the days the festival is here and it would be worth a HECK of a lot more than an ol' homemade poker chip, for sure!!!