Unarchive & Adoption

[Fledermaus]

PUBLIC NOTICE:

 

If the purpose of this forum is to save caches that have either gone unattended or for the adoption process, then I would like the general geocaching community to consider the following request that I have sent to the Approvers of GC.COM, since it is my intention to ADOPT the cache in question. Your comments will be greatfully appreciated.

 

I hereby submit my personal request to have the following geocache to be UnArchived:

 

"NAD Soroptamist (Plane) Park" (GC3FEB) by Real Deal

(Archived by it's owner: August 24, 2004, less than 90 days before his death)

 

Mr. Jerald Deal suffered a fatal heart attack and passed away October 29, 2004

 

It might also be of interest to "TravisL" and others who participated in the first Bremerton Cache Machine, that this cache, I believe, was the first cache of 30 plus, for that activity. If I'm not mistaken, it was also the first cache in the upper part of NAD Park. The first was my NAD Marine Park cache in the lower NAD park. I believe that both caches were the first two on the BCM list.

 

I am not alone in this request. There are at least four geocachers who had close ties to him while geocaching and they would like to see that cache unarchived as well.

 

Furthormore, a cache has already been created in the memory of Real Deal. I adopted Real Deal's "Mission: Afterburner" (GCH3GR) cache and changed it's name to the "Jerald B. Deal Memorial Cache". This cache was solely created by him, and in which I took no part in it's design, as I did in his other caches.

 

Also, I orchestrated the adoption of Real Deal's other five cache and they have now found new owners that I know will take care of them faithfully.

 

In the beginning of my geocaching activities, there was a group that called themselves the "Geo-Trio". That group consisted of Belleterre, Real Deal and Fledermaus(myself). When Real Deal chose to step out of the geocacher activities for awhile, Mntrken2001 stepped in to take his place.

 

Therefore, we the present "Geo-Trio", respectfully request that you unarchive the above said cache in the memory of Jerald B. Deal, aka Real Deal.

 

BTW, I have heard of caches older than this one being brought back and the fact that Real Deal was the one who archived his own cache so that I could create my own, should be considered, now that I want his returned.

 

Is there some kind of a rule, "Statute of Limitations", that says that "if a cache has been archived(by the owner) for "X" period of time, that it can not or should not be unarchived?

 

It should be noted that Team Misguided has chosen not to approve of this action, based on the fact that the cache was archived by it's owner and that it has been archived too long ago to be considered for unarchiving. I'm sure he'll want to make additional comments, now that this message is in the forums.

 

{edited to remove cachers real name at their request--TMJ}

Edited December 5, 2004 by Fledermaus

[+Renegade Knight]

Ignoring anything else, I'm not aware of a rule about the statue of limitations for bringing back an archived cache. I am aware that the process will involve the cache being checked against current guidelines.

Edited December 5, 2004 by Renegade Knight

[+W7WT]

I changed my mind.

Edited December 5, 2004 by W7WT

[+CO Admin]

You e-mailed Groundspeak, what was their response?

[+runhills]

Honor and ownership come into question. As OWNER of the cache should his wishes (for whatever reason) be honored? Maybe a new cache that replicates the original cache would be a better acknowledgement of Real Deal and his beliefs/desires.

[+W7WT]

Honor and ownership come into question. As OWNER of the cache should his wishes (for whatever reason) be honored? Maybe a new cache that replicates the original cache would be a better acknowledgement of Real Deal and his beliefs/desires.

That is an excellent suggestion. After thinking it over, I think that for what ever reason Real Deal had for archiving the cache should be honored. Ray can honor him by putting in a new cache in the same place. Dick, W7WT

[+shunra]

PUBLIC NOTICE:

 

If the purpose of this forum is <snip>

 

<snip>

 

Mntrken2001 - aka {edited by moderator}: <snip>@yahoo.com

 

Belleterre - aka {edited by moderator}: <snip>@earthlink.net

 

<Rant Snipped>

 

It should be noted that Team Misguided has chosen <snip> I'm sure he'll <[sic]> <snip>

 

{edited to remove cachers real name at their request--TMJ}

Did they allow you to publish their e-mail addresses? You seem to be talking on their behalf, but I think you're utterly embarassing them. I note their lack of endorsement of your request.

 

Anyway, I don't see the problem. A cache can be unarchived at the owner's request. This is no longer possible, but adoption by you should just be a technicality. Why bother, however, if you can just as easily hide a cache at the same spot, copy the cache page, and resubmit, as suggested by Runhills?

 

I doubt Real Deal would appreciate the hullaballoo and the negative tone.

[+shunra]

Honor and ownership come into question.  As OWNER of the cache should his wishes (for whatever reason) be honored?  Maybe a new cache that replicates the original cache would be a better acknowledgement of Real Deal and his beliefs/desires.

That is an excellent suggestion. After thinking it over, I think that for what ever reason Real Deal had for archiving the cache should be honored. Ray can honor him by putting in a new cache in the same place. Dick, W7WT

Great idea. No reason to bother the mods, let alone the forums.

Much embarassing ado about nothing.

[Fledermaus]

Much to do about nothing, HUH?

 

None of you were were close to him or his family, but I was. Maybe you'd like to speak to HiSierra and Redbone about what you know?

 

The words "Honor" and "Dishonor", with reference to Real Deal, have been bandied-about a little too much from those that never met or spoke to him.

 

Whoever has the power to CLOSE this thread, please do so.

I grow tired of the negativity and lack of understanding.

 

As for a NEW cache, maybe, but don't hold your breath.

 

30

NNNN

Edited December 6, 2004 by Fledermaus