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...it also appears that many of the game's main players also no longer play...

That's true, I miss some Waymarkers the last years and more. At the moment the core is pretty small, I'd guess about 50 very active Waymarkers who waymark daily or weekly and about 100 - 200 who play our game continuously. So I understand Groundspeak that the focus is more on Geocaching, I have about 100 active Geocachers in my homezone and not world-wide. On the other hand Waymarking is such a great activity, so much to learn and to share with the whole world. Predicament.

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I don't think GS will drop WM mainly due to the high Pagerank, which is amazingly strong. As to more/less players now, I am not sure. I noticed a clear increase in the number of logs in my own wm's. That was encouraging. I am not submitting at the moment but I know it's a temporary condition, just having a break and also I am now working more than before so I don't have as much time. But soon I will resume my activity. I keep taking pictures and actively looking for Wm places when I am moving. Just now I came from Iceland and came packed.

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it seems as if the biggest problem is that problems are not getting fixed. new problems are arising.

 

I haven't 'played' in quite a while, but it seems as if nothing has changed. we have been forgotten.

 

really? the home page still lists the 500,000th waymark 'Posted on 9/9/2013 11:50:00 AM by bootron'. that was a year and a half ago. no news at all since then? of course I wasn't expecting lots of new upgrades. it also appears that many of the game's main players also no longer play.

 

Presently there are 603366 waymarks worldwide, listed in 1083 user-created categories

 

it appears as if the site was set up to run itself. TPTB keep the boxes plugged in and powercycle them when theres an issue.

 

is there no desire to invest more into this side of 'geocaching'?

 

maybe I will just go back to geocaching. I can save all my photos for later, when the site is better tuned to what the user needs.

 

Hey, I'm scared to death they are just going to dump Waymarking totally. I got so tired of geocaching (caches missing, caches just under a lamp post skirt, caches in dangerous locations) and just love the opportunities for Waymarking. I do pay the $30 in hopes Groundspeak will keep Waymarking going.

I've had mixed feelings on this, but finally put my foot down. It may sound like I'm cutting off my nose to spite my face by NOT renewing my PM. I really do not get into geocaching much, but ALL of my PM fee was going to support it. Why support something that I do not really do but a couple times a year? I just cannot see it. For those who do both, it makes sense to keep up the PM; but not the rest of us (even if we are the minority). I cannot afford to subsidize someone else's hobby!

 

If Groundspeak would show the slightest attitude toward even fixing the existing WM issues (not even going so far as to beg for improvements), I would consider renewing my PM to show them my vote of thanks for doing so. But it just is not happening. The disgusting email that you get back about why nothing can be done for Waymarking because of the soggy paper game does not help matters at all.

 

No PM until I've seen good faith attempt at fixing the many, many broken Waymarking issues. Although I lose a couple of simple features, such as ignoring categories (not that big a deal anyway!), I can get by with using the core broken functionality. PM doesn't change that.

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it seems as if the biggest problem is that problems are not getting fixed. new problems are arising.

 

I haven't 'played' in quite a while, but it seems as if nothing has changed. we have been forgotten.

 

really? the home page still lists the 500,000th waymark 'Posted on 9/9/2013 11:50:00 AM by bootron'. that was a year and a half ago. no news at all since then? of course I wasn't expecting lots of new upgrades. it also appears that many of the game's main players also no longer play.

 

Presently there are 603366 waymarks worldwide, listed in 1083 user-created categories

 

it appears as if the site was set up to run itself. TPTB keep the boxes plugged in and powercycle them when theres an issue.

 

is there no desire to invest more into this side of 'geocaching'?

 

maybe I will just go back to geocaching. I can save all my photos for later, when the site is better tuned to what the user needs.

 

Hey, I'm scared to death they are just going to dump Waymarking totally. I got so tired of geocaching (caches missing, caches just under a lamp post skirt, caches in dangerous locations) and just love the opportunities for Waymarking. I do pay the $30 in hopes Groundspeak will keep Waymarking going.

I've had mixed feelings on this, but finally put my foot down. It may sound like I'm cutting off my nose to spite my face by NOT renewing my PM. I really do not get into geocaching much, but ALL of my PM fee was going to support it. Why support something that I do not really do but a couple times a year? I just cannot see it. For those who do both, it makes sense to keep up the PM; but not the rest of us (even if we are the minority). I cannot afford to subsidize someone else's hobby!

 

If Groundspeak would show the slightest attitude toward even fixing the existing WM issues (not even going so far as to beg for improvements), I would consider renewing my PM to show them my vote of thanks for doing so. But it just is not happening. The disgusting email that you get back about why nothing can be done for Waymarking because of the soggy paper game does not help matters at all.

 

No PM until I've seen good faith attempt at fixing the many, many broken Waymarking issues. Although I lose a couple of simple features, such as ignoring categories (not that big a deal anyway!), I can get by with using the core broken functionality. PM doesn't change that.

Let's remember that it is the geocachers and the soggy paper game with their PM's that supports Waymarking. Waymarking does not have enough interest to support itself. :ph34r:

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Let's remember that Geocaching and PM are not supporting Waymarking.

 

Perhaps we have different definitions of "supporting". I've been a professional software developer for 35 years and I don't call what we see "support".

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Let's remember that Geocaching and PM are not supporting Waymarking.

 

Perhaps we have different definitions of "supporting". I've been a professional software developer for 35 years and I don't call what we see "support".

Technically there is still some minimal support, albeit it basically limited to emergency support to fix show-stopping issues like the recent login failure. Definitely not $30/year support, though.

 

My primary focus is still the so-called "soggy paper game", so any benefits from my premium membership that I get over on the Waymarking site are incidental. It would be difficult to justify paying that much if you were only interested in Waymarking.

 

I do see the bind that Groundspeak is in. To make it worth it to invest more time and money in Waymarking, there'd need to be more users and interest. However, to get more users and interest, more time and money needs to be invested in Waymarking. It's a catch-22. To break out of it, I see a couple of options:

  1. Groundspeak takes a leap-of-faith and invests in Waymarking, with the hope that it will result in enough interest to make it economically viable going forward.
  2. The users demonstrate to Groundspeak how investment in Waymarking would benefit Groundspeak.

Either way, it all comes down to whether Groundspeak can make money off of Waymarking. Until we can somehow show them how they can make money off of Waymarking, it will either continue to limp along in the status quo or die a long, slow, agonizing death as people gradually lose interest and move on.

 

Let's brainstorm. It seems like the most likely candidate to help breath life into Waymarking will be a mobile app, since that's the main focus over on the Geocaching side. Would an app work for Waymarking? Would app users be interested enough? Would they be willing to pay a few dollars for it?

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Let's remember that Geocaching and PM are not supporting Waymarking.

 

Perhaps we have different definitions of "supporting". I've been a professional software developer for 35 years and I don't call what we see "support".

Geocachers and their PM's keep the lights on at the Waymarking site. Waymarkers do not support this site, it is the geocachers that pay to play the soggy paper game as you call it. Waymarking is a failed attempt at virtual geocaching.

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Let's remember that Geocaching and PM are not supporting Waymarking.

 

Perhaps we have different definitions of "supporting". I've been a professional software developer for 35 years and I don't call what we see "support".

Geocachers and their PM's keep the lights on at the Waymarking site. Waymarkers do not support this site, it is the geocachers that pay to play the soggy paper game as you call it. Waymarking is a failed attempt at virtual geocaching.

Wait a minute. I wasn't doing any geocaching to speak of, but was paying a premium membership to Groundspeak (not to "geocaching"). I totally disagree that "Waymarkers do not support this site". Shoe is on the other foot.

 

But I do agree with The A-Team that perhaps something needs to be done to jump start a solution out of the Catch-22.

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Let's remember that Geocaching and PM are not supporting Waymarking.

 

Perhaps we have different definitions of "supporting". I've been a professional software developer for 35 years and I don't call what we see "support".

Geocachers and their PM's keep the lights on at the Waymarking site. Waymarkers do not support this site, it is the geocachers that pay to play the soggy paper game as you call it. Waymarking is a failed attempt at virtual geocaching.

Wait a minute. I wasn't doing any geocaching to speak of, but was paying a premium membership to Groundspeak (not to "geocaching"). I totally disagree that "Waymarkers do not support this site". Shoe is on the other foot.

 

But I do agree with The A-Team that perhaps something needs to be done to jump start a solution out of the Catch-22.

 

I'm guessing that there are less than 50 active Warmarkers world wide. It's geocachers like myself that support Groundspeak with our PM's. I'm like you, I would not renew my PM either just to keep my Waymarking benefits, but as a geocacher I will maintain my PM for the benifits of PMO geocaches. B)

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I have got an opinion & idea about this problem.

But my problem is I can't say it perfect in English because its a long story.

Is there any Waymarker here on Waymarking who can translate my Dutch words in English.

Plz contact me at dreamhummie (apenstaartje) gmail (punt) com

Of PM mij in mijn profiel op Waymarking.

Zie reacties graag tegemoet. Het heeft geen haast voor vertaling want dit probleem speelt al jaren.

 

Thx & Grtz John

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I actually paid PM fee to help run WM category, then when smartphone could GC used PM to cache as well.

 

Active WMs - ask HQ. There are probably 50 prolific Waymarkers, but many who dip in and out.

According to http://Waymarking.altervista.org/stats/WaymarkerStats-4Columns.html

there are 202 WMs with over 500 postings.

DougK does a ranking.

 

I'm guessing that there are less than 50 active Warmarkers world wide. It's geocachers like myself that support Groundspeak with our PM's. I'm like you, I would not renew my PM either just to keep my Waymarking benefits, but as a geocacher I will maintain my PM for the benifits of PMO geocaches. B)

 

 

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