MNDOT DESTROYED 1898 MiRC

March 6, 2013

SK0181 STATION RECOVERY (2011)

SK0181

SK0181'RECOVERY NOTE BY GEOCACHING 2011 (MEL)

SK0181'HH2 471559.3 943741.0

SK0181'ASSUMED TO BE UNDER THE UNDISTURBED MIRC PIPE AND CAP THAT IS THERE.

SK0181'THIS PIPE CAP WAS RECOVERED 5 AUG 2005 AS A DOUBLE PID'S - SK0181 AND

SK0181'SK0183, WHICH ARE NO LONGER PUBLISHED.

SK0181

SK0181 STATION RECOVERY (2012)

SK0181

SK0181'RECOVERY NOTE BY MN DEPT OF TRANSP 2012 (DAZ)

SK0181'NO PHYSICAL RECOVERY WAS DONE. THE PURPOSE OF THIS RECOVERY IS TO

SK0181'DISCUSS FINDINGS FROM RESEARCH OF HISTORICAL DATA.

SK0181'THIS IS THE BOLT TO CAP STEAMBOAT LAKE CAP (SK0810). THIS MARK

SK0181'CONTAINS ELEVATIONS THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DUMPED TO ITS 1933 RESET

SK0181'STEAMBOAT LAKE BOLT RESET (SK0184). CAUTION SHOULD BE USED WHEN

SK0181'LOOKING AT HISTORICAL AND PRESENT VERTICAL ELEVATIONS FOR THESE MARKS.

SK0181'

FOUND TWICE

Would someone like to help me do a level run next August from the five adjusted marks that are within 0.55 miles and get 'ELEVATIONS' 'DUMPED' on the 1933 RESETs? kayakbird

March 6, 2013

Not sure why both are 'Destroyed' - however, I wouldn't report a good recovery on SK0181(the bolt) without actually seing it.

Interesting result when typing in SK0183...

March 7, 2013

SK0180 STEAMBOAT LAKE CAP was destroyed in 1933 when STEAMBOAT LAKE RESET (SK0183) was set. It was a pipe cap marked P.B.M. 1898. kayakbird, the photos you have are of the 1933 reset. Different mark.

SK0181 STEAMBOAT LAKE (NGS calls it STEAMBOLT LAKE BOLT) was considered destroyed by MnDOT, and belatedly marked as such. Probably because it's part of a cap-and-bolt pair, and the cap was reset. Maybe this is what Dave Zenk means by elevations that should have been dumped to its reset. The bolt was reset too, but the datasheet did not reflect that.

SK0183 STEAMBOAT LAKE RESET is the cap you photographed. Set in 1933. Maybe not blue booked? Odd result when looking it up at NGS. Somebody took photos in July 2012.

SK0184 STEAMBOAT LAKE BOLT RESET is not published despite having NGS PID. No geodetic control.

You're looking for Cass County Sheet 4.

I too am not sure why you reported your assumption that the mark was there.

March 7, 2013

SK0180 STEAMBOAT LAKE CAP was destroyed in 1933 when STEAMBOAT LAKE RESET (SK0183) was set. It was a pipe cap marked P.B.M. 1898. kayakbird, the photos you have are of the 1933 reset. Different mark.

I have ran across several US Corp of Engineers cap/bolt pairs that have been reset like the one that Mike has pictured. It appears that the cap (and corresponding subsurface bolt) have not been physically replaced per se........but just stamped over using the same cap in place. These marks haven't been moved, just basically releveled and stamped with the date that the new measurements were taken, and thus gotten a new PID.

Mikes pic is of P.B.M. 1898, that was then overstamped with the 1933 Reset when the USC&GS used it in that year.

I am always envious of the old historical marks he finds and wish I could accompany him on one of these trips..

Edited March 7, 2013 by LSUFan

March 7, 2013

msrubble,

I would like to figure out what happened to the DATASHEETS for SK0183 STEAMBOAT LAKE CAP (the 1933 RESET)

and SK0184 STEAMBOAT LAKE BOLT? SK0183 is in the 2000 GC snapshot (see below). I am positive that the

apparently undistrubed stand pipe with cap was there 5 Aug 2009 and 4 Aug 2011. Note consistent calls below.

It is not documented but I wondering if the 1933 RESET of SK0183 was no more than re-plumbing the

standpipe over the underground mark - see SK0177 WYE CAP and SK0102 BIGOSH CAP RESET below.

Also, to me anyway, it would have been logical for the 1959 crew, that must have run levels between

the WILKERSON (SK0527) complex about a half mile north and BAY (SK0536) 4.6 miles south, to have tied to this one as they went by (RR is now a state recreation trail).

Thanks, LSUFan, kayakbird

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|----|------|- -|-----------|-------------|--------------|----|-|-----------

|....|SK0184|. .|...........|N471559......|W0943741......|D...|G|STEAMBOAT LAKE BOLT

|....|SK0180|. 1|88/ADJUSTED|N471558.4....|W0943741.3....|D...|X|STEAMBOAT LAKE CAP

|....|SK0181|. 1|88/ADJUSTED|N471559.3....|W0943741.0....|D...|X|STEAMBOAT LAKE BOLT

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2000 SNAPSHOT IN THE GEOCACHE FILES

SK0180 STEAMBOAT LAKE CAP

1/1/1898 by MRC (MONUMENTED)

1/1/1933 by NGS (GOOD)

DESCRIBED BY NATIONAL GEODETIC SURVEY 1933 1.25 MI N FROM WILKINSON. ABOUT 1-1/4 MILES NORTH

ALONG THE GREAT NORTHERN RAILWAY FROM WILKINSON, CASS COUNTY, ABOUT 697 FEET SOUTH OF THE

SOUTH END OF DRAWBRIDGE 61 OVER STEAMBOAT RIVER, ABOUT 100 FEET EAST OF THE EAST BANK OF

STEAMBOAT LAKE, 53 FEET NORTHWEST OF THE NORTH END OF THE RAIL RACK WEST OF THE TRACK,

AND ABOUT 50 FEET WEST OF THE WEST RAIL. A 3-INCH IRON PIPE BEARING A MISSISSIPPI RIVER

COMMISSION STANDARD CAP, STAMPED P.B.M. 1898.

SK0181 STEAMBOAT LAKE BOLT

1/1/1898 by MRC (MONUMENTED)

1/1/1933 by NGS (GOOD)

DESCRIBED BY NATIONAL GEODETIC SURVEY 1933 1.25 MI N FROM WILKINSON. ABOUT 1-1/4 MILES NORTH

ALONG THE GREAT NORTHERN RAILWAY FROM WILKINSON, CASS COUNTY, ABOUT 697 FEET SOUTH OF THE

SOUTH END OF DRAWBRIDGE 61 OVER STEAMBOAT RIVER, ABOUT 100 FEET EAST OF THE EAST BANK OF

STEAMBOAT LAKE, 53 FEET NORTHWEST OF THE NORTH END OF THE RAIL RACK WEST OF THE TRACK,

AND ABOUT 50 FEET WEST OF THE WEST RAIL. A BOLT, SET IN THE TOP OF A TILE ABOUT 3 FEET

UNDER GROUND, ACCESS TO WHICH IS HAD THROUGH A 3-INCH IRON PIPE BEARING A MISSISSIPPI RIVER

COMMISSION STANDARD CAP, STAMPED P.B.M. 1898.

SK0183 STEAMBOAT LAKE CAP ****NOT ID'd AS A RESET****

1/1/1933 by CGS (MONUMENTED)

DESCRIBED BY NATIONAL GEODETIC SURVEY 1933 1.25 MI N FROM WILKINSON. ABOUT 1-1/4 MILES NORTH

ALONG THE GREAT NORTHERN RAILWAY FROM THE STATION AT WILKINSON, CASS COUNTY, ABOUT 697 FEET SOUTH OF THE

SOUTH END OF DRAWBRIDGE 61 OVER STEAMBOAT RIVER, ABOUT 100 FEET EAST OF THE EAST BANK OF

STEAMBOAT LAKE, 53 FEET NORTHWEST OF THE NORTH END OF A RAIL RACK, AND 50 FEET WEST OF THE

WEST RAIL. A 4-INCH IRON PIPE BEARING A MISSISSIPPI RIVER COMMISSION STANDARD CAP.

1/1/1933 by NGS (GOOD)

1/1/1980 by NGS (GOOD)

RECOVERY NOTE BY NATIONAL GEODETIC SURVEY 1980 13.3 KM (8.25 MI) SOUTH ALONG STATE HIGHWAY 371

FROM THE JUNCTION OF U.S. HIGHWAY 2 IN CASS LAKE, 0.2 KM (0.15 MI) SOUTH OF BRIDGE NUMBER 5214

OVER THE STEAMBOAT RIVER, AT A TRACK ROAD LEADING WEST, 53.9 METERS (177 FT) WEST OF THE

CENTERLINE OF THE HIGHWAY, 19.8 METERS (65.0 FT) NORTH OF THE CENTER OF THE TRACK ROAD,

16.5 METERS (54.0 FT) WEST OF THE CENTER OF THE OLD RAILROAD GRADE (NOW A SRATE TRAIL),

0.8 METER (2.6 FT) WEST OF A FENCE. THE MARK IS 0.3 METERS E FROM A WITNESS POST.

THE MARK IS 0.6 M BELOW THE OLD RAILROAD GRADE.

1898 MiRC CAP ON STANDPIPE

SK0177 WYE CAP (****SURFACE MARK OF THIS STATION WAS REALIGNED WITH THE UNDERGROUND MARK IN 1959****)

1/1898 by MRC (MONUMENTED)

DESCRIBED BY MISSISSIPPI RIVER COMMISSION 1898 STATION IS IN SOUTH FORK OF Y AT JUNCTION

OF PARK RAPIDS DIVISION OF GREAT NORTHERN RAILWAY AND MAIN LINE AT CASS LAKE, ON LINE OF

SOUTH TANGENT PRODUCED, 113 METERS (371 FEET) NORTH OF HEAD BLOCK OF SWITCH AT SOUTH POINT

OF Y, 12.6 METERS (41 FEET) WEST OF TRACK OF EAST LEG, AND 234 METERS (768 FEET) EAST OF

TRACK OF WEST LEG OF Y. MARKED BY TILE AND PIPE.

1/1/1933 by NGS (GOOD)

RECOVERY NOTE BY NATIONAL GEODETIC SURVEY 1933 IN CASS LAKE. AT CASS LAKE, CASS COUNTY,

IN THE WYE JUNCTION OF PARK RAPIDS DIVISION OF THE GREAT NORTHERN RAILWAY AND THE MAIN LINE,

IN THE SOUTH FORK OF THE WYE, ON THE PROLONGATION OF THE SOUTH TANGENT, ABOUT 370 FEET NORTH

OF THE HEAD BLOCK OF THE SWITCH AT THE SOUTH POINT OF THE WYE, 76 FEET EAST OF THE TRACK OF

THE WEST LEG OF THE WYE, AND 40 FEET WEST OF THE CENTER LINE OF THE TRACK OF THE EAST LEG.

A 3-INCH IRON PIPE BEARING A MISSISSIPPI RIVER COMMISSION STANDARD CAP, STAMPED P.B.M. 1898.

1/1/1959 by CGS (SEE DESCRIPTION)

RECOVERY NOTE BY COAST AND GEODETIC SURVEY 1959 (GWM) THE STATION IS A STANDARD MISSISSIPPI RIVER

COMMISSION MARK RIVETED TO THE TOP OF A 4 INCH STEEL PIPE PROJECTING 12 INCHES. IT IS ABOUT 1/2 MILE

WEST OF THE GREAT NORTHERN RAILROAD DEPOT IN CASS LAKE AND IN THE NORTHWEST PART OF SECTION 16,

T. 145 N., R. 31 W. ON RAILROAD PROPERTY. THE MARK IS 110 FEET NORTH OF THE NORTH RAIL OF RAILROAD

TRACKS, 66 FEET SOUTH OF A TELEPHONE POLE, AND 44 FEET WEST OF THE WEST RAIL OF RAILROAD TRACKS.

THE DATE 1898 IS CAST IN THE TOP OF THE DISK. TO REACH THE STATION FROM THE RAILROAD CROSSING JUST

WEST OF THE GREAT NORTHERN RAILROAD DEPOT IN CASS LAKE, GO SOUTH ON U.S. HIGHWAY 371 FOR 0.25 MILE

TO A SIDE ROAD RIGHT. TURN RIGHT AND GO WEST ON A GRAVELED ROAD FOR 0.45 MILE TO A TRACK ROAD RIGHT

JUST EAST OF RAILROAD CROSSING. TURN RIGHT AND GO NORTH ON THE TRACK ROAD FOR 0.15 MILE TO THE STATION

ON THE LEFT. A TRAVERSE CONNECTION WAS MADE TO TRIANGULATION STATION CASS, THE DISTANCE IS 109.5570 METERS,

359.438 FEET. THE SURFACE MARK OF THIS STATION WAS REALIGNED WITH THE UNDERGROUND MARK. THE SURFACE MARK IS

NOW 0.035 METER HIGHER THAN IT WAS.

1/1/1980 by NGS (GOOD)

RECOVERY NOTE BY NATIONAL GEODETIC SURVEY 1980 1.0 KM (0.65 MI) SOUTH ALONG STATE HIGHWAY 371 FROM

THE JUNCTION OF U.S. HIGHWAY 2 IN CASS LAKE, THENCE 0.7 KM (0.45 MI) WEST ALONG A PAVED ROAD,

THENCE 0.2 KM (0.1 MI) NORTH ALONG A TRACK ROAD ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE BURLINGTON NORTHERN RAILROAD,

24.3 METERS (79.7 FT) EAST OF THE NORTHEAST RAIL OF THE SOUTHEAST CUTOFF OF THE RAILROAD, 13.0 METERS

(42.6 FT) WEST OF THE NORTHWEST RAIL OF THE SOUTHWEST CUTOFF OF THE RAILROAD, 109.6 (359.4 FT) SOUTHWEST

OF TRIANGULATION STATION CASS. THE MARK IS 0.3 METERS S FROM A WITNESS POST. THE MARK IS 0.3 M BELOW THE TRACKS.

1/1/1981 by MNDT (GOOD)

RECOVERY NOTE BY MN DEPT OF TRANSP 1981 (DKH) THE STATION WAS RECOVERED IN GOOD CONDITION AS DESCRIBED IN 1959.

SK0102 BIGOSH CAP RESET (****RESET IS NOT STAMPED ON CAP****)

1/1/1898 by MRC (MONUMENTED)

DESCRIBED BY MISSISSIPPI RIVER COMMISSION 1898 ABOUT 1 MILE SOUTH OF SOUTH SHORE OF LAKE WINNIBIGOSHISH,

ABOUT 1 MILE WEST OF BENA RAILWAY STATION, 10 METERS (33 FEET) SOUTH OF TRACK OF EASTERN RAILWAY

OF MINNESOTA (GREAT NORTHERN RAILWAY), AND 171 METERS (561 FEET) EAST OF MILEPOST 157. MARKED BY

TILE AND PIPE. BLAZED, 24-INCH NORWAY-PINE TREE IS 9 METERS (30 FEET) FROM STATION S 19 DEG 00 MIN E

AND ANOTHER BLAZED 24-INCH NORWAY-PINE TREE IS 7 METERS (23 FEET) FROM STATION S 15 DEG 00 MIN W.

1/1/1948 by NGS (GOOD)

RECOVERY NOTE BY NATIONAL GEODETIC SURVEY 1948 1.1 MI W FROM BENA. 1.1 MILES WEST ALONG THE

GREAT NORTHERN RAILWAY FROM THE STATION AT BENA, ABOUT 0.2 MILE EAST OF A GRAVEL ROAD CROSSING,

ABOUT 12 RAILS EAST OF MILE POST 147, 30 FEET SOUTH OF THE SOUTH RAIL, 35 FEET NORTHEAST OF

TELEGRAPH POLE NO. 7, 99 FEET WEST-NORTHWEST OF TELEGRAPH POLE NO. 6, SET ON THE BANK AT A

SMALL RAILROAD CUT, 1 FOOT EAST OF A WHITE WOODEN WITNESS POST, 3 FEET ABOVE THE TRACK AND

PROJECTING 6 INCHES.

1/1/1971 by USGS (SEE DESCRIPTION)

RECOVERY NOTE BY US GEOLOGICAL SURVEY 1971 THIS MARK FOUND DISTURBED. UNDERGROUND MARK RECOVERED

AND ORIGINAL IRON PIPE AND CAP RESET WITH SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT ELEVATION.

END, MEL

Edited March 7, 2013 by kayakbird

March 8, 2013

msrubble & all,

After checking further down the line (pulled up and scrolled through the 234 MRC points

that GSAK filters out, plus SK0180 STEAMBOAT LAKE which does not) I am beginning to think

that it was a clerical error that placed three of the thirteen points that MTDOT destroyed

in 2012 into that status.

These three (SK0180, SK0181 and SJ1179) have a lengthy caution note (see below) which states that

'NO PHYSICAL RECOVERY WAS DONE---', (thus no cap or bolt to submit with a NGS recovery).

Portion of note:

NO PHYSICAL RECOVERY WAS DONE. THE PURPOSE OF THIS RECOVERY IS TO DISCUSS FINDINGS FROM RESEARCH OF HISTORICAL DATA.-----CAUTION SHOULD BE USED WHEN LOOKING AT HISTORICAL AND PRESENT VERTICAL ELEVATIONS FOR THESE MARKS.

Interestingly, SJ1180 BLACKBERRY BOLT also had this note attached but was not destroyed. There is

a call with SJ1179 BLACKBERRY CAP

'AND 1.2 FEET SOUTHWEST OF MRC PBM BLACKBERRY BOLT'

that indicates that the underground portion of this Cap & Bolt pair is actually offset

from the surface mark. Anyone want to met me there with probes & shovels the first week of August?

Of the remaining MRC points that MNDOT destroyed in 2012, six have recent GOOD/POOR histories and four have NOT FOUND.

No description reason was given for any of these.

kayakbird

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