+Lve2fsh Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 My question is who gets credit for the FTF in the stats. The first person to log on the official cache page or the person that logs their name first on the log sheet at the cache? The reason I ask is the person in the below posted log that was part of the bike placement team originally posted a note saying he was on the placement team so he has the first log online. After the FTF person signed the log and then logged online the original person changed their log from a note to a find to say he found it. I have been told but can't find the answer online that the first person to log online gets the credit in the stats, if so then the person who helped place the cache after changing his post from a note to a find is getting credit for something he didn't do. He also never signed the log at the cache. This very thing happened at 11 caches the other night. I took the names out of the below post from a cache January 17 by ? (598 found) FTF Thanks for the hide. [view this log on a separate page] January 17 by ? (2153 found) Part of the Bike Placement team. [This entry was edited by ? on Sunday, January 18, 2009 at 7:19:42 AM.] [view this log on a separate page] January 17 by ? (63 found) Published [view this log on a separate page] Quote Link to comment
+KoosKoos Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 The stats aren't tracked by geocaching.com, so it's really between the cache owner and the finder. A lot of the times, a person who helped hide the cache and wants to log it as a find will allow someone else to "claim" the FTF as a courtesy, but there aren't any real guidelines on any of this because it's only a game for those who care about it. Quote Link to comment
+gof1 Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Credit in what stats? GC.com doesn't track FTFs. Quote Link to comment
Skippermark Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Are you referring to the programs that let you put your stats info of finds/DNFs, ratios and things like that on your profile page? If so, one of the programs I know about gets that info from searching for keywords in the logs that are in the "My Finds" file. You can specify what keywords to search for, but "FTF" is usually a common default phrase. I think some of the programs let you manually check/uncheck caches that it didn't flag correctly. So, if your log says, "Got the FTF at 10:42 p.m." it'll flag that as an FTF for you. But, if you say something like, "Tried for the FTF but ended up being 5th," it can mistakenly flag you as the FTF. Quote Link to comment
+Lve2fsh Posted January 19, 2009 Author Share Posted January 19, 2009 Great answer KoosKoos I will pass that along. Ive always heard about how clickish locals can be in this game and I have recently noticed how bad it is in Vegas. I will just keep plodding along at my slow pace and enjoy my finds now and then. No one ever said you have to find them all, just the ones you think are fun. PS it is a couple of freinds of mine that are wrapped up with others over FTF. Quote Link to comment
+Lve2fsh Posted January 19, 2009 Author Share Posted January 19, 2009 (edited) Sorry fat fingers hit the button twice. Edited January 19, 2009 by Lve2fsh Quote Link to comment
Skippermark Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 FTFs are a very competitive thing for some cachers. Quote Link to comment
+Lve2fsh Posted January 19, 2009 Author Share Posted January 19, 2009 Yea Skippermark you can say that again. I'm the outsider listening to friends and keeping my ears open when others are around. The group that has the inside track is making the others mad, then the comments start showing up on the online logs. I just recently removed 2 of my logs because I didn't feel comfortable with all the comments being made. I guess its just like everything else in life, you get out of it what you put into it. And yes it is the 3rd party stats that I was talking about. Everyone seems to be hung up on getting the most of everything. Quote Link to comment
+flask Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 i found this cache in october, but apparently not quick enough to beat the first finders who came four days later. confused? i was too, a little. how they claim it is their business, i guess. Quote Link to comment
+Harry Dolphin Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 I have been told but can't find the answer online that the first person to log online gets the credit in the stats, if so then the person who helped place the cache after changing his post from a note to a find is getting credit for something he didn't do. He also never signed the log at the cache. This very thing happened at 11 caches the other night. First person to sign the log is the FTF. I've been known to hold off logging on-line to allow the FTF to log it first. But, I'm strange. What I hate are FTFs who wait days to log on-line, to make others think that FTF is still available. That's just nasty! Flask: That was quite bizarre. You did remember to sign the log? I'd probably edit my log to put FTF in giant letters! Quote Link to comment
+Lve2fsh Posted January 19, 2009 Author Share Posted January 19, 2009 Thats a neat trick Flask, I wonder how they did that. I will never go out looking for a FTF again, to many people with the inside track beating eveyone to them. Quote Link to comment
Skippermark Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 (edited) i found this cache in october, but apparently not quick enough to beat the first finders who came four days later. confused? i was too, a little. how they claim it is their business, i guess. Most interesting. Perhaps they signed the backside of the log and didn't see your signature on the front? Or, maybe they're saying O Rex was FTF between the two of them? Edit: Type Ohs Edited January 19, 2009 by Skippermark Quote Link to comment
+Too Tall John Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 (edited) I sometimes have found that FTDNF is more fun than FTF. Why don't we keep track of that? Edited January 19, 2009 by Too Tall John Quote Link to comment
+flask Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 i found this cache in october, but apparently not quick enough to beat the first finders who came four days later. confused? i was too, a little. how they claim it is their business, i guess. Most interesting. Perhaps they signed the backside of the log and didn't see your signature on the front? Or, maybe they're saying O Rex was FTF between the two of them? Edit: Type Ohs well, i didn't log online until a month later. i left my house one day to go geocaching and didn't come back until seventeen days later. and then, because i write a log for each cache no matter how many i found, it took me a while to catch up. similarly, i went to log a coupel caches only to find that the cache owner had made a snippy note stating that i had been there, but he guessed it was my call whether or not to say so for whatever reason. in my log i said that apparently it wasn't my call, as that prerogative had been usurped. Quote Link to comment
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