+evrik Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 (edited) Currently, there is a category called, American Revolutionary War Veteran Graves. It falls under, Directory Home > People > Memorials > American Revolutionary War Veteran Graves I think that a new category needs to be made, American Revolutionary War Graves. The current ‘veteran graves’ category would then become a subcategory under the new meta category. Along with this, a new sub-category should be created called, American Revolutionary War Patriot Graves. If this sounds confusing let me lay it out ... American Revolutionary War Veteran Graves • American Revolutionary War Veteran Graves • American Revolutionary War Patriot Graves This is precipitated by the fact that the owner of the current ‘veteran graves’ category won't approve new waymarks unless the person was a soldier, so other patriots (i.e. Ben Franklin) who risked their lives and fortunes can't be logged. Edited January 2, 2006 by evrik Link to comment
+chstress53 Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 I concur as I too have found a patriots grave but can not create a waymark for the very same reason. Link to comment
+CO Admin Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 (edited) This is precipitated by the fact that the owner of the current ‘veteran graves’ category won't approve new waymarks unless the person was a soldier, so other patriots (i.e. Ben Franklin) who risked their lives and fortunes can't be logged. That would be because Ben Franklin was not a soldier. So he doesn't fit in the category. Would you put Betsy Ross in a soldier category? Nope. Its really simple. No matter how many time it gets submitted if its not a soldier its not going to be allowed. Seems pretty simple to me. No reason to make this a sub-category. Its right where it needs to be. Edited January 3, 2006 by CO Admin Link to comment
+CYBret Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 Personally I think you need to widen the idea to include more than graves. Include important battle sites, meeting locations, homes of patriots, other important locations like the Liberty Bell, etc. Limiting it to graves alone takes away a lot of great locations we could learn a lot from. But hey, it's your idea....do what you want. Bret Link to comment
+evrik Posted January 3, 2006 Author Share Posted January 3, 2006 This is precipitated by the fact that the owner of the current ‘veteran graves’ category won't approve new waymarks unless the person was a soldier, so other patriots (i.e. Ben Franklin) who risked their lives and fortunes can't be logged. That would be because Ben Franklin was not a soldier. So he doesn't fit in the category. Would you put Betsy Ross in a soldier category? Nope. Its really simple. No matter how many time it gets submitted if its not a soldier its not going to be allowed. Seems pretty simple to me. No reason to make this a sub-category. Its right where it needs to be. While Franklin did not pick up a gun, he was involved with military preparation. He helped build a fort, helped found the Pennsylvania militia and negotaiated military treaties- but it goes beyond Franklin. The current category (as it is defined) is not broad enough. Betsy Ross is a good example. Soldier, no. Patriot, yes. There should be another category for patriots, and both patriots and soldiers should be placed together under memorials. Link to comment
Isis1261 Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 What has to be done to see this idea move forward? Link to comment
Jeremy Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 IMO it would be better to change: American Revolutionary War Veteran Graves To American Revolutionary War Soldier Graves to reduce confusion. Patriot graves is kinda, well, wonky. I think many people are patriots so figuring out who would fit here would be difficult. Even American Revolutionary War Hero Graves would cause some difficulty. Link to comment
+evrik Posted January 16, 2006 Author Share Posted January 16, 2006 That would be a good interim solution, but the Sons of the American Revolution, who have been marking tracking and conserving the graves class them as patriots. There were a lot of people who served the cause as bankers, clothiers, diplomats etc. Calling them soldier graves doesn't solve the Ben Franklin problem. Link to comment
+CYBret Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 IMO it would be better to change: American Revolutionary War Veteran Graves To American Revolutionary War Soldier Graves to reduce confusion. Patriot graves is kinda, well, wonky. I think many people are patriots so figuring out who would fit here would be difficult. Even American Revolutionary War Hero Graves would cause some difficulty. That works for me. Feel free to have Sean or whoever change it at the office. Bret Link to comment
+evrik Posted January 17, 2006 Author Share Posted January 17, 2006 If you go back to the first post, that's what I suggested! :-) What about a category for the patriots who didn't serve in the army or navy, like Ben Franklin? Link to comment
+chstress53 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 (edited) Directory Home>People>Memorials>American Revolutionary War Graves Still makes the best sense to me and then Catagories under that would be • American Revolutionary War Soldier Graves • American Revolutionary War Patriot Graves By the way Patriots may sound wonky, but that is what the know world label has been uniformly applied to these historic people. http://hometown.aol.com/elliottgen/page4/patriots.htm http://users.aol.com/neddybarney/Patriots.html http://raims.com/historian/burials.html http://www.genealogy.com/133facd.html http://www.whitneygen.org/archives/military/revgrave.html I echo the statement that the Sons of the American Revolution, who have been marking tracking and conserving the graves class them as patriots. To not have both of these under memorials to me would hinder in a seach process. I also strongly feel that the original proposal that evrik made is the best solution. Our Countrys journey towards freedom would not have happened without both the Patriots and the Soldiers. I do not think the answer is making patriots a separate Category by itself. To me is not sufficent. If you look here http://www.Waymarking.com/waymarks/default...23-86e31c4868d6 Under Historic Places you have Civil Rights Places, Irish American Memorials,Old World Originals,Photos then & now, Spring Houses Maybe if we post in the proposals that Patrioiots become a catagory it could be placed under memorials. like the abandoned Cemetary one that was recently placed under Historic Places, I think the confusion has been that we need to juust propose it as a Category and then when it is accepted the manager would then ask for it to be places under memorials and then the dialogue about the larger overall Category could be readjusted. I believe there has been alot of confusion from the begining of this thread. First when CO Admin said "That would be because Ben Franklin was not a soldier. So he doesn't fit in the category. Would you put Betsy Ross in a soldier category? Nope. Its really simple. No matter how many time it gets submitted if its not a soldier its not going to be allowed. Seems pretty simple to me. No reason to make this a sub-category. Its right where it needs to be." to when Jeremy said "IMO it would be better to change: American Revolutionary War Veteran Graves To American Revolutionary War Soldier Graves to reduce confusion. The way I see it is that Evirk and I do not think there is just the word confusion. We need a new category for patriots and if and when it is placed should reside along side the other. what I think now is that if we post this in the Proposal forum ander a differnt thread as a category when and if it is created it would be placed under Memorials when accepted and the category manager makes suggestions as to where to place it.. Edited January 18, 2006 by chstress53 Link to comment
+CYBret Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 So, is this the right thread to post in or is it the other one? Just my thoughts here, but I think you guys are hamstringing this category if you limit it just to patriot graves. I think you need to broaden it to include locations that figure prominently in patriot history (or whatever wording you arrive at). Include the "George Washington Slept Here" kind of places, battlegrounds, Independence Hall, and other places of historic significance. Graves could be just one of the variables for listing in what could become a very useful category for historic locations. Bret Link to comment
Jeremy Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Actually a Benjamin Franklin category would be interesting. Post the coordinates of locations where Benjamin Franklin [did stuff] Link to comment
+CYBret Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 He didn't do a whole lot here in Edgar County, Illinois, though. Interesting trivia about him though: Did you know that Benjamin Franklin was the only President of the United States to never be President of the United States? B Link to comment
+chstress53 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 (edited) Ben Franklin locations would also be an interesting category to post waymarks in under the broader term Historic; but this particular category ‘Revolutionary veteran graves’ as it is now falls is under Memorials as I believe it should be; but it should also have other categories like Revolutionary Patriot Graves, as it stands now this is all that is listed: • American Revolutionary War Veteran Graves • Pony Express Monuments • Dead Poets' Society Memorials • Vasco da Gama • Medal Of Honor Resting Places • Vietnam POW/MIA Monuments • Out of Place Graves Here is a link to the other category I posted regarding this debate http://forums.Groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=120278 In my zeal I thought I was moving this forward as maybe we were not clear on our wording. I also do not agree with cybet that we are hamstringing this categoary as the overarching category is MEMORIALS not Historic places, but I do agree that the other locations he speaks of would make interesting waymarks . And as I have read in other threads cross overs in categories is acceptable. Edited January 18, 2006 by chstress53 Link to comment
+evrik Posted February 17, 2006 Author Share Posted February 17, 2006 (edited) I believe there has been alot of confusion from the begining of this thread. First when CO Admin said "That would be because Ben Franklin was not a soldier. So he doesn't fit in the category. Would you put Betsy Ross in a soldier category? Nope. Its really simple. No matter how many time it gets submitted if its not a soldier its not going to be allowed. Seems pretty simple to me. No reason to make this a sub-category. Its right where it needs to be." to when Jeremy said "IMO it would be better to change: American Revolutionary War Veteran Graves To American Revolutionary War Soldier Graves to reduce confusion. The way I see it is that Evirk and I do not think there is just the word confusion. We need a new category for patriots and if and when it is placed should reside along side the other. what I think now is that if we post this in the Proposal forum ander a differnt thread as a category when and if it is created it would be placed under Memorials when accepted and the category manager makes suggestions as to where to place it.. If the change is made, and a category "American Revolutionary War Patriot Graves" is added, I'll volunteer to be the first moderator of the category. Edited February 17, 2006 by evrik Link to comment
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