Ben Pid Posted January 12, 2003 Share Posted January 12, 2003 Just wanted to share the photos of mine and Dans visit to the Decaying Hospital cache today, fhad real fun and found that we were really in our elemant! so much to explore and do Check the link: http://www.buckscaching.co.uk/hospital.html -------------------------------------------------------- One ring to rule them all, One ring to find them, One ring to bring them all and in the Darkness bind them! www.buckscaching.co.uk Quote Link to comment
MCL Posted January 12, 2003 Share Posted January 12, 2003 I can't believe it! Is that DAYLIGHT I see in those pictures!!?? No trees were harmed during the production of this posting, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.... Quote Link to comment
+dylanhayes Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 So is this a ghostly apparition on the camera, or something entirely more mundane? http://www.buckscaching.co.uk/hospital/h10.JPG Having read the flincher story on the website were you too scared to go there at night? Quote Link to comment
+Tim & June Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 BUT I received an email from a cacher who attempted this cache and was very concerned. We decided to confirm what we were being told and drove there to look at first hand. There are signs everywhere saying "Keep Out" and "Danger" etc. This is obviously a place which Geocaching.com cannot possibly condone visiting. Is climbing over a wall to gain access to a site permissible ? The guidelines ( here ) clearly state :- quote:Off-limit (Physical) Caches We're assuming that you asked permission to post your cache. However, if we see any listing description mentioning ignoring "No Trespassing" signs (or any other obvious issues), your listing will be automatically archived. There are also hazard warnings around this site. Sorry guy's, this one has to be archived. Dan & Pid, I guess you did not retrieve the travel bug from this cache. Can you please confirm this before we email the bug owners. Meanwhile we will email the placers of this cache. Tim & June (Winchester) See June, I told you that sign which said 'Unsuitable for Motor Vehicles' was wrong ! Quote Link to comment
Ben Pid Posted January 13, 2003 Author Share Posted January 13, 2003 That cache rocks! Its the best ever! please dont archive it! pleeeeeeease. Even if it is against the rules its still fantastic. The apperition is actually Dan breathing before he took the picture. LoL came out quite well actually. Please save this cache! its brilliant Didnt retrieve travel bug, someone else found the cache before us, and must have took it because it was not in there. Could someone perhaps move the cache to "VERY" nearby public land? -------------------------------------------------------- One ring to rule them all, One ring to find them, One ring to bring them all and in the Darkness bind them![/i] www.buckscaching.co.uk Quote Link to comment
+jeremyp Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 quote:Originally posted by TreeBeard (Pid): That cache rocks! Its the best ever! please dont archive it! pleeeeeeease. Even if it is against the rules its still fantastic. Having to risk one's life in a dilapidated and falling down building is not my idea of a cache that rocks - except in a more literal sense. If it's a) very dangerous and off limits to the public, it has to be archived. Would it be such a good cache if it was outside the grounds in a safer / more legal location? ------- jeremyp The second ten million caches were the worst too. http://www.jeremyp.net/geocaching Quote Link to comment
+Chris n Maria Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 quote:Originally posted by jeremyp:Having to risk one's life in a dilapidated and falling down building is not my idea of a cache that rocks - except in a more literal sense. If it's a) very dangerous and off limits to the public, it _has_ to be archived. I have to agree with Tim and JeremyP on this one. Chris Bear rescues a speciality! London & UK Geocaching Resources: http://www.sheps.clara.net Quote Link to comment
+Rocky Balboa Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 This is a real shame, the cache was truly amazing, and for me, was exactly what I would look for when browsing through the listings. However I am in total agreement with T+J that the cache has to be archived for now. The area is extremely dangerous, and like T+J say there are warnings everywhere. The whole hospital is laced with asbestos and danger signs cover almost every door in the building. Taking kids here would be a very very bad idea, the place is like a maze with so many potential hazards. I like to think that Pid and I were just 2 people who decided to do this cache which was our choice. The same should apply to anyone else visiting in the future. It is a fantastic sight, with so many strange and eerie points of interest which is the disapointing thing when it comes to archiving it. The travel bug concerned did not appear to be present but I have to say that we only realised it was present when we arrived home and logged our find, so we probably didnt search hard enough. It may possibly still be in the box so will need removing. May I suggest with all due respect, that the planter does relocate the cache to public land close by. From here people could make their own desicion as to venture forth into the unknown or not. Removal of this cache completly would be a bad call as it would be a waste of such a good location. Thanx Mitnik & Crew for placing the cache and please don't let this discourage you from hiding more caches similar to this, some of us love them Its just a hunt for a lunch box, why be so serious!?! Dan Wilson - www.Buckscaching.co.uk Quote Link to comment
+Huga Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 On another note, the whole place is run-down, grafittied and seemed full of random youths. To my mind, that's exactly the sort of place that: a) Caches will get trashed Unsavoury youths may be found. Now I'm not being anti-youthist here. I come under the heading of short-haired, mean-looking youth, but I wouldn't want to go to a cache site and be faced with all sorts of unsavoury characters. Yes, that *could* happen anywhere, but from the photos, this site (to my mind) seems a much more likely place. It's probably not the sort of place, from both building-falling-apart and meeting-unsavoury-people aspects, that anyone would want to try alone or in poor light. I notice even hardened night-cachers Dan & Pid did it during daylight hours! Just my 2 pence. -- **Mother is the name of God on the lips of all children** Quote Link to comment
Ben Pid Posted January 13, 2003 Author Share Posted January 13, 2003 Jeremy, I was actually joking The cche is great fun for me but I am in total agreement withthe Archive ofcourse it had to go, I never discouraged that I was just saying I loved it, which I did. In agreement with moving the cache to public land close by, I wrote a note above the archive on the page suggesting this. Would be a shame to see it go. Pid -------------------------------------------------------- One ring to rule them all, One ring to find them, One ring to bring them all and in the Darkness bind them! www.buckscaching.co.uk Quote Link to comment
MCL Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Huga:On another note, the whole place is run-down, grafittied and seemed full of random youths. To my mind, that's exactly the sort of place that: a) Caches will get trashed Unsavoury youths may be found. ...I never thought of that until you mentioned it but now you do I must agree most strongly. No trees were harmed during the production of this posting, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.... Quote Link to comment
+jeremyp Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 quote:Originally posted by TreeBeard (Pid):Jeremy, I was actually joking I was trying to be light hearted too (hence the ). If it is a great location (who am I to judge, not havig been there) then I agree that it deserves a cache in a legal and safe place. ------- jeremyp The second ten million caches were the worst too. http://www.jeremyp.net/geocaching Quote Link to comment
Ben Pid Posted January 13, 2003 Author Share Posted January 13, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Jeremy P: I was trying to be light hearted too (hence the ). If it is a great location (who am I to judge, not havig been there) then I agree that it deserves a cache in a legal and safe place. Cool, it certainly does deserve that! As regards to Hugas post, I might add that despite what the pictures from my link suggest the location of the hospital is not in the middle of a city centre, infact nowhere near one, its as far in the country as any other cache the only reason there is graffiti and smashed glass is because people ofcourse like trashing. Most of the trashing was done in thelate 80s when Hooliganism was rife. Dont think you have any problems with louts nowadays the only poeple that go there are explorers like the kids we met. No one will trash it. Its about a 20minute walk from the safest parking place anyway. Getting all set for the Program now Pid -------------------------------------------------------- One ring to rule them all, One ring to find them, One ring to bring them all and in the Darkness bind them! www.buckscaching.co.uk Quote Link to comment
+Team Minim Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 Just following on this thread with a medical comment. Pid mentioned Asbestos through out the building. For this alone this cache should be archived. Exposure to asbestos poses a significant hazard, in a susceptible individual a few fibres are enough to cause a problem. I wonder if the hospital was decomissioned before current legislation on asbestos... Shares in Tupperware? Be a Geocacher! Quote Link to comment
+The Wombles Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 We're the owners of that travel bug (Darth Vader). D&P, you seem to have different ideas about whether it was gone or simply buried in the cache. Darth is a Lego keyring figure about 2 inches tall, so probably easy to miss? Did you notice the name of the previous visitor? I'd welcome medical comment on recovery of the cache and the asbestos - presumably the cache has only been briefly open at the site, so do the contents now constitute a concern? If so, I'd rather write off Darth than put someone at risk. Dave Quote Link to comment
+jeremyp Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 I'm not an expert, but I think asbestos isn't dangerous unless it is in the dust form. While it's still solid there is no risk. The problems arise when you're trying to remove it or do building modifications (e.g. drilling a hole through an asbestos sheet creates a lot of dust and is therefore dangerous). I don't think there will be a problem for the cache or it's contents. ------- jeremyp The second ten million caches were the worst too. http://www.jeremyp.net/geocaching Quote Link to comment
Ben Pid Posted January 13, 2003 Author Share Posted January 13, 2003 I didnt see Darth in the cache, had a really good look for him because I wanted it. there was one other finder before us, so he must have it. I cant remember his name though sorry. Dont archive it yet coz I know for a fact it asnt in there. -------------------------------------------------------- One ring to rule them all, One ring to find them, One ring to bring them all and in the Darkness bind them! www.buckscaching.co.uk Quote Link to comment
+Bill D (wwh) Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 With regard to anyone retrieving the travel bug if it's still there, the asbestos is apparently in the hospital buildings, but the cache is in the grounds, so surely asbestos shouldn't be a problem for anyone collecting or handling the TB. Quote Link to comment
+Team Minim Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 Yup it's the dust that's the problem, but cracked/broken/vandalised asbestos as used in wall linings of many post war hospitals causes a dust risk. I once worked in a hospital where sticking drawing pins into walls was forbidden as it was asbestos under the paint! I don't think the cache contents would be a problem, Shares in Tupperware? Be a Geocacher! Quote Link to comment
Seifer Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 quote:Originally posted by The Wombles:We're the owners of that travel bug (Darth Vader). D&P, you seem to have different ideas about whether it was gone or simply buried in the cache. You might want to email the person to tell them to change the page, the TRACKING number is on there, so anyone could just grab it or post a note, really you need the reference number EG TB5A34 etc Michael aka 1/2 of Team Blitz It's not a matter of win or lose...until you lose Quote Link to comment
MCL Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 quote:Originally posted by TreeBeard (Pid): Its about a 20 minute walk from the safest parking place anyway. You mean "20 minute walk from the NEAREST parking place..." That would make it just like any other NHS hospital then wouldn't it? No trees were harmed during the production of this posting, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.... Quote Link to comment
MCL Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 quote:Originally posted by The Wombles:I'd welcome medical comment on recovery of the cache and the asbestos Don't worry, as I understand it, Darth Vader's mask filters out asbestos particles so he's not in any danger... No trees were harmed during the production of this posting, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.... Quote Link to comment
Ben Pid Posted January 13, 2003 Author Share Posted January 13, 2003 Yes thats correct actually. He also has a Light Sabre to detur and enemies! But he isnt in there Im afraid... Pid -------------------------------------------------------- One ring to rule them all, One ring to find them, One ring to bring them all and in the Darkness bind them! www.buckscaching.co.uk Quote Link to comment
+Rocky Balboa Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 The asbestos in the hospital is everywhere. I'm not an expert but in certain places the walls are crumbling and dust muffles the air, for instance in the animal labs. Although there is a health risk visiting is still personal choice though and the hospital is a sight from outside the walls aswell as inside, hence my vote of moving the cache to the woodland suround. I think this is just a case of a fairly new cacher not understanding the rules fully, I am certain no ill feelings were intended! Its just a hunt for a lunch box, why be so serious!?! Dan Wilson - www.Buckscaching.co.uk Quote Link to comment
+The Wombles Posted January 14, 2003 Share Posted January 14, 2003 quote:Originally posted by TreeBeard (Pid):I didnt see Darth in the cache, had a really good look for him because I wanted it. there was one other finder before us, so he must have it. I cant remember his name though sorry. Dont archive it yet coz I know for a fact it asnt in there. Darth has turned up in the hands of Teasel, who visited before D&P. Thanks. Dave Quote Link to comment
Ben Pid Posted January 14, 2003 Author Share Posted January 14, 2003 That was the name! Grr dont you just hate it when you cant remember a name.... It was Teasel the man with the stat plan himself! -------------------------------------------------------- One ring to rule them all, One ring to find them, One ring to bring them all and in the Darkness bind them! www.buckscaching.co.uk Quote Link to comment
+Teasel Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 quote:Originally posted by TreeBeard (Pid):That was the name! Grr dont you just hate it when you cant remember a name.... I do indeed have Darth in my posession, but I don't think it was me you couldn't remember, as I visited the cache after you two, once the sun had safely set (photos here). I assumed I'd only just missed you but... ...tut, tut, D&P daylight caching?! What's become of you two? I guess you must have found the tales of the Flincher a bit too frightening! Quote Link to comment
+Teasel Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 quote:Originally posted by jeremyp:If it's a) very dangerous and off limits to the public, it _has_ to be archived. Would it be such a good cache if it was outside the grounds in a safer / more legal location? I agree that the cache must be archived because it is in a fenced-off location, but not because it is dangerous. I wouldn't like to attempt Don't Look Down without specialist safety equipment, but I don't think it should be archived. I would, however, have been happier if the cache description had indicated that, though the area is frequented by locals, you have to climb over a fence to get in, and there is an asbestos risk once inside. That way I could have made an informed choice as to whether to attempt the cache (yes), whether to wear a dust mask (maybe), and whether to take along my 4 month old son (no!). I don't see a problem with legal but dangerous caches, so long as potential cachers are in no doubt about what is involved, preferably before they set off. Quote Link to comment
+jeremyp Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Teasel: I don't see a problem with legal but dangerous caches, so long as potential cachers are in no doubt about what is involved, preferably before they set off. Hmm, I think you're right about that otherwise there would be endless arguments about what constitutes "too dangerous". I did one Blitz family cache which was just off the A34 (a busy dual carriageway) which would probably have been statistically far more dangerous than this hospital one had the description not mentioned the fact that you have to approach from the South to avoid getting run over. ------- jeremyp The second ten million caches were the worst too. http://www.jeremyp.net/geocaching Quote Link to comment
Ben Pid Posted January 16, 2003 Author Share Posted January 16, 2003 Oh my gosh! Shamed up by a Thistle! and to think he saw the bug in the dark and I didnt! Oh well! Just so ya know we did do 2 night caches on Sunday- reason we went in the daylight to the Hospital was because we wanted to explaore around aswell, will be returning in the dark and will post photos up on the link above when we do. -------------------------------------------------------- One ring to rule them all, One ring to find them, One ring to bring them all and in the Darkness bind them! www.buckscaching.co.uk Quote Link to comment
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