+biltal Posted June 9, 2002 Posted June 9, 2002 I read the recent update to "Cache Listing Requirements/Guidelines" and I wonder about a section of it that says : Off-limit (Physical) Caches ; Caches hidden by active railroad tracks . How is close is too close? 50 feet? 150 feet? 500 feet? I know of a perfect spot for a cache along an abandoned rail line where the tracks & ties have been removed. This is right in the heart of Toronto and I expect the line will eventually be bought by the city and turned into a bike path. My problem is that the cache location would be about 250 feet from an active rail line. This is as close as a seeker would have to get to the trains and the cache itself would be obvious from much farther away. I don't think the spot is dangerous and it's obvious from the litter that other people have been here. My question is, should I hide this cache or not? Cheers, biltal. Quote
+Whidbey Walk Posted June 9, 2002 Posted June 9, 2002 I think your missing the real question. If the property hasn’t yet been bought by the city, who it the owner? If it is private property then that seems more of a concern than proximity to a active railroad. This thread has a lot of information about what has happened to one cache placed near a railroad track. This may or may not have been the reason behind making these areas off limits. As far as how close is too close, that can depend on a lot of factors. In my opinion the most important factor is that when placing the cache or when seekers come searching none of us will be trespassing. This thread discussed some of the various trespass laws that exist in the US. http://home.earthlink.net/~whidbeywalk/ Quote
+Olar Posted June 9, 2002 Posted June 9, 2002 quote:Originally posted by biltal: I don't think the spot is dangerous and it's obvious from the litter that other people have been here. My question is, should I hide this cache or not? Cheers, biltal. IMHO there is nothing worse than hunting a cache that is in a trashy area. Its downright depressing. Until the city does make it into a bike-path and cleans it up I would suggest finding another site. Cheers, Olar Quote
Zuckerruebensirup Posted June 9, 2002 Posted June 9, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Olar: IMHO there is nothing worse than hunting a cache that is in a trashy area. Its downright depressing. On the other hand, these places have good Cache In/Trash Out potential. If you take pictures of the area beforehand, and can demonstrate that, over the course of a summer, a noticeable improvement has been made, it would be a great example to point to for why park authorities should be receptive to allowing the sport in their jurisdictions. ------- "I may be slow, but at least I'm sweet!" Quote
Zuckerruebensirup Posted June 9, 2002 Posted June 9, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Olar: IMHO there is nothing worse than hunting a cache that is in a trashy area. Its downright depressing. On the other hand, these places have good Cache In/Trash Out potential. If you take pictures of the area beforehand, and can demonstrate that, over the course of a summer, a noticeable improvement has been made, it would be a great example to point to for why park authorities should be receptive to allowing the sport in their jurisdictions. ------- "I may be slow, but at least I'm sweet!" Quote
+biltal Posted June 9, 2002 Author Posted June 9, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Whidbey Walk: I think your missing the real question. If the property hasn’t yet been bought by the city, who it the owner? If it is private property then that seems more of a concern than proximity to a active railroad. The private property issue never even occured to me. I've walked along this old rail spur many times and I've run into other people on several occasions, even families with kids & dogs. quote: http://opentopic.Groundspeak.com/0/OpenTopic?a=tpc&s=1750973553&f=3000917383&m=5970914744 has a lot of information about what has happened to one cache placed near a railroad track. This may or may not have been the reason behind making these areas off limits. As far as how close is too close, that can depend on a lot of factors. In my opinion the most important factor is that when placing the cache or when seekers come searching none of us will be trespassing. http://opentopic.Groundspeak.com/0/OpenTopic?a=tpc&s=1750973553&f=3000917383&m=1400902583 discussed some of the various trespass laws that exist in the US. http://home.earthlink.net/~whidbeywalk/ The first person to find my East Don Parklands cache was confronted and questioned by two police officers on bicycles who wondered what he/she was doing rummaging around in the bushes. The cache is in a public park right beside a bike trail. No question of legality. Quote
King Pellinore Posted June 9, 2002 Posted June 9, 2002 Several of my caches involve locations that once were railroad. The railroad co owns the property, and there are really two reasons why they don't take kindly to folks trespassing. 1, they don't want anyone fooling around or causing damage. 2. they don't want anyone getting killed. Valid points I think. The third issue is of course that trespassing is illegal anyway. King Pellinore Quote
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