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Garmin 2610 or 2730 get me within hiking distance most of the time. Then its the 60CSx that gets em all the time!

It's hard to believe that DeLorme is doing this again! Not that they are alone, Garmin released the Colorado loaded with bugs and followed up with the Oregon, a bit less buggy but still not what I would consider, "ready for prime time"! Why (other than marketing pressures) are there companies releasing unfinished products and expecting the end users live with buggy instruments. For the early adopters, we step in our own poop, but for the new user, these instruments could be very discouraging. I lived with the PN-20 through its false start and three units later and many software update, it just ok but is really sloooow! I asked DeLorme for a discount on the PN-40, since I was an early adopter, beta tester of the PN-20 and in so many words was told "we don't do that"! In all fairness, as I logged during the "dog days" of the PN-20, the PN-40 has potential, much more than the PN-20 in 20/20 hindsight but I recommend the 60CSx without any reservation at all. As stated above, it is the "workhorse" of handheld GPSr's and is rock-solid in performance. I have or have had, them all and the 60CSx is the one that I use. The PN-20 just sits in a drawer, the Colorado and Oregon were both returned after 3 to 4 weeks of testing next to the 60CSx. Hope this is helpful. Good luck!

Let's not forget that on most data entry screens, the Page button also acts as an OK button so you don't have to scroll all the way to "OK" and hit enter, just hit Page... I didn't know that - thanks for the tip!

Somehow I show two "FTF" GC's in my inventory and only one is correct. I need to delete the one that is incorrect but I do not see a way to do that. HELP!

I might suggest just to be fair, that you try the 60CSx and PN-40 and even the Oregon before you decide on one or the other. The PN-20, although having a lot of potential, is really not proven and is extremely slow, I have had one since day one and 100 caches + with it. To me, the PN-40 ads indicate what the PN-20 should have been rather than let all of us PN-20 ownes do the field testing for DeLorme. That said, Garmin is doing the same thing with the Colorado and Oregon. Again, I would try all three or at least the 60CSx and PN-40 (not released for shipment yet) or the Oregon and the PN-40, before making you final decision.

60CS or CSx with Topo NT 2008 or 2009 if availavle. If you want to use the 60 CSx to auto-navigate to the cache via roads, you need Garnim City Navigator North America NT. I generally use a Garmin 2610 to navigate to the cache via raods then use the 60CSx for off road to the cache. BUT, I recently toured parts of Arizona and New Mexico on a motorcycle and used the 60CSx for Nav and Topo/Caches. It really worked very well and I will be using it in the upcoming weeks in the UK and France so if you want one device that is mature and can do it all, reliably, I'd recommend the Garmin 60CS or CSx.

DeLorme does not support the Mac unless of course you use Bootcamp and Windows. Garmin now support both Windows and Mac operating systems and I move transparently between both depending on whether at home or work. If you choose to go with DeLorme, I suggest you buy the new PN-40 - you'll be glad you did!

60CSx is my vote. Mature, rock solid and the "golden standard". I would recommend you wait for the PN-40 if you desire the better maps from DeLorme. The PN-20, although functional, is slow in the field for caching and almost non-usable for auto-routing. Again, the 60CSx, 60CS or PN-40.

As a Geocacher, I love the potential of both the Colorado and the Oregon and prefer the Oregon. I have owned and compared both to my 60CSx, in the field, Geocaching. Hands-down, the basic function of GPS accuracy was better on the 60CSx than on either the Colorado or Oregon. I even had drifting issues in "clear view" areas with both the Colorado and Oregon and the 60CSx was rock solid. I varying density canopy situations, the 60CSx was always the most reliable instrument. For all-in-one Geocaching, the idea of both Colorado and Oregon is GREAT, but comes at a compromise - at least as of the point when I owned both. I generally use a 2610 to route to the cache area and then use the 60CSx for the search. Three weeks ago I did a 2000+ miles motorcycle tour of eastern AZ and western NM. I used the 60CSx on batteries for routing and direct caching and it was as flawless as any GPS could be using CNNA and Topo's. If Garmin made a GPS that performed and had a display as good or better than the 60CSx and had the features of the Oregon, I'd buy it in a heart-beat. BUT, that hasn't happened yet!! From experience with all the above, I would recommend the 60CSx over either the Colorado or the Oregon at this point in time. Hope this helps. PS: In no way do I mean to offend anyone that owns the Colorado or Oregon.

I'm a bit confused. Does the 32 Channel PN-40 in anyway relate to what I have always know as 12 Channel GPS receivers? I thought the horizon limited how many satelites a GPS could possibly see, best case.

Of all the handheld GPSr's I've used (GPSIII+, PN-20, Colorado, Oregon) the 60CSx has been the most stable and accurate. Also, I just complete a 2000+ motorcycle tour of AZ and NM. I used the 60 for routing and caching and it was excellent. I usually use my 26I0 for road navigation but thought I'd give the 60 a try. It worked flawlessly and battery life with Lithum was I6 hours plus. Hope this helps.

Good choice zmanfam! You will not be sorry.

Wesbo, anything is possible I guess, but it isn't the first time I had an issue and resorted to the 60CSx. Believe me, I wanted it to be the replacement because of all the added features especiall the benefit of "paperless caching" but it just didn't work out at this point in time. I've been using Garmin GPS's for a long time and have purchased 6 + the Colorado and Oregon - both were returned after three to four weeks. I have both feet firmly planted in the Garmin court but believe these two instruments and still under construction and will be great devices - some day!

The Colorado and Oregon are definitely the future but I still feel both have a ways to go to equal their brother the 60CSx. My opinion from experience with both. I think the Oregon will be a great GPS some day!

I have about 15 months experience with my 60 CSx and many other GPS's including the PN-20 and the 400T Oregon for about 3 weeks. I have 549 caches for with 116 FTF's, so I have some experience with Geocaching and multiple GPS's. I love the Oregon's touchscreen interface and the the feature set in general but unfortunately, that's were it ends. On 6 attempts to locate caches the most recent this afternoon, the Oregon hasn't done the job, period, I had to return to the 60CSx to find the cache. Today, the 60CSx indicated I was within 4 feet of the cache and the Oregon had it 108' away. This was the end for the Oregon I'm sorry to say. Aside from the accuracy issues, (I do have 2.3 loaded) the display is a challenge in bright sunlight but I would have tried to deal with that. But the basic function of a GPS is reasonable accuracy and I do not feel comfortable with the Oregon's accuracy at this point and that it can be improved via updates. For now, the 60CSx is my GPS of choice and the Oregon will be returned.

Unfortunately, I never had any issues with my caches until I released them. Within a month, one was gone and one was muggled. Sorry, but the are all back to MOC. Aside from that, I don't think $20 per year is to much to help support this site - MHO.

I set 4 Pocket Queries to run early this morning and none have run yet, ~ 4 hrs. ago. Generally most run within minutes, one may take a few hours. Did I miss an announcement about system maintanence today? Thx in advance.

GArmin 2610 if you can find one or the 2820. Both are waterproof but require 12 volts in the car to power. They both allow touchscreen input but have a handheld remote that works very well. I have used the 2610 for years in the car, on the motocycle and for over a year as the main device to get me near caches then I use a Garmin 60CSx. The Garmin 60CSx will also play both rolls be is not a touchscreen.

Hi Bob, Thx is correct, deleteing waypoints in Bobcat will not delete them on your GPS. It works the same way with Mapsource on the PC. The only way to delete waypoint/caches in to delete them one-by-one or bult delete them by symbol - this may be GPS dependent. You can do it that way on the 60CS or CSx. Hope this helps, Lee

Saturday morning I was "watching" 4 particular caches that is was hunting for FTF. After logging each, I never received a notification - I did verify that the logs existed on the cache pages. Later in the day, I received one notification that another cacher had logged one of those same caches. I'm not sure if I missed anything else but I did receive cache publication notifications on Saturday.

If you have a good GPS like the 60CSx or one you are happy with and can wait a few months, I'd wait. If it is your first GPS or you really want to upgrade, buy the Colorado, it will be the GPS to have when the software is complete and you wouldn't have spent the money twice. I guess my issue is, this device was sold before it was even close to being ready for mass-market. It's kinda-like buying a new car and on the way home, the electric windows don't work but are fixed with the next visit to the dealer. Then you have a radio that is supposed to play MP3 CD's but that doesn't work yet but you hear on the web that a future software update will fix that. For the geeks and early adopters, just because you have to have it as soon as it hits the street doesn't mean it shouldn't be "complete" or at least 98%. The Colorado wasn't even close although with 2.51 it is getting there! I my opinion, Garmin brought this GPS to market before it was done or even close BUT I say again as a long time GPS and Garmin GPS user, it will be the GPS to own when finally completed. Opinions welcome!

If you have a GPS and it has been working for you, hold off for a while. No harm. Still missing too much functionality that you pay for but yet to be delivered. Note the most recent issues with sporadic accuracy issues. And before anyone asks, yes, I did have one and "do" believe it is the future but it isn't there yet! My 60CSx still gets the job done.

Here is a link to a Garmin website that explains WAAS (Wide Area Augmentation System) http://www8.garmin.com/aboutGPS/waas.html. Basically it is a system of satellites and ground stations that GPS signal correction. WAAS correction signals come from the "land-based" ground stations. Hope this helps.

Although I only had one for about two weeks back in Feb, just after 2.4 was released, I had the same accuracy issue occur twice and my 60CSx was dead on. At the time, I didn't power-cycle to try an reset it. I just turned it off after checking to see if I had done something wrong. The second time it happened, it was the final issue that pushed me to return it.

I have a Garmin Streetpilot 2610 which I use to navigate by road to to either the general vacinity or parking coordinates and then use a 60CSx to hike to the cache. Loading caches to the 2610 is done using Mapsource. You can upload .gpx PQ's into MS and then download them to the 2610 in the same way you would load a 60CSx or Vista. Does this help?