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I like the Gilsson cases. I've had one for my GPS V for years, and just got one for my 76Cx. It is true that there are no holes for data cable access, so that is a bit inconvenient. The hook on the back is great for attaching it to a belt loop, etc, which I often do when I am recording a track. http://www.gilsson.com/garmin_gps/cases/r60n.htm Theron

The interesting part of this whole thing is that assuming (and yes, that is always dangerous, but assuming that) you do eventually want to install version 2008 maps or newer onto your new GPSr, you might as well go ahead and give your old map software to the buyer of the old unit. I don't think you can disassociate the serial number of your old GPSr from the map software, and as I noted before, if or when you decide to get new maps, your old map software will be useless to you. So, in exchange for the increased value you may get for your old unit (selling it with maps, as opposed to without), all you are gaining is the use of your current map software until such a time that you decide to upgrade. You may very well be better off adding $50 or so to the price of your old GPSr, and applying that to the cost of new maps. If you keep your old maps, a potential buyer would have the option of either no maps, or full price for a new license, so you can adjust your asking price accordingly. If you transfer the old maps, they can also upgrade to new maps for the regular upgrade price, but remember, this is not an option for your new GPSr from your old map license. Just thoughts. Theron P.S. Ah, I see you have already unlocked your new unit... guess that throws a wrench into my plan... oh well.

It is my opinion that this part of your assessment is incorrect. From the way Garmin is treating these second unlock codes (they are useless for applying upgrade pricing to a second GPSr) I don't think Garmin sees this as two sets of software, but rather one set of software that you are allowed to use on two GPSrs, should you happen to own two. I would guess that Garmin would tell you that you cannot split the two unlock codes, and especially since they say to transfer ALL information, etc, and also, I do know for sure that both unlock codes are associated with the one coupon code. Not trying to tell you what to do, but you seem to be interested in playing by the rules. Check with them to make sure. Theron

Nobody has answered the original poster's question. It sounds like the question you are asking is whether or not Garmin's map product licenses are transferable. I do not know the answer to this question, but that should be covered in the TOS. However, it is very important to note that along the lines of the answer given in post number 3, not only do the new versions of the map software allow only one unlock code, there have also been several reports that the only unit that you are able to upgrade with the new versions of the mapping software is the original unit that was unlocked first. In other words, it has been reported that should you desire to upgrade your new GPSr to a 2008 version, you would be required to purchase the full product all over again, despite the fact that your previous version allowed you to use the second unlock code on that unit. So, if you sold your original GPSr and it's software, you would also be selling the only code that you could upgrade. But you would be unable to upgrade the second GPSr in any case, so I guess it doesn't really matter. This is information that I have read in various forums as well as from Garmin directly. Theron

I'm not sure this is a good question, but for those who have all or nearly all the country loaded on their large MicroSD cards, do you ever find the POI database to be so full of data that it becomes cumbersome? I am asking from the perspective of a GPS V, and I know when I have it full of maps, there are always many more data items to sort through when doing a search than if I have only the immediate area loaded in memory. I guess this becomes more apparent in a search by name rather than by nearest. Theron

Does this fix the problem described in this thread? City Nav NT 2008 Update & GPSMap 60 series not happy together Theron

It's all about the lawyers.... The manufacturer will get sued if they err on the side of making you speed when it's telling you are not, because you will get speeding tickets. And the manufacturer will also get sued if they make a faulty odometer since the value of a used car is heavily dependent on the number of miles it has been driven. So they err on the side of caution for the speed, but they can't be wrong at all on the distance. If they are, then either the buyer or the seller would have an unfair advantage. IANAL, of course, this is my opinion only, but it sure makes sense to me! Theron

Did you not set up the account to unlock and register your first unit? The option for a second unlock was there without the purchase of a second unit! I bought my unit well before mygarmin.com existed. I did go back in and try to register it, but since I had registered it using their original method (whatever that was, it's been 4 years now!) I had to call them and they gave me instructions on how to get it to show up on mygarmin.com. The directions were beyond unintuitive, there is no way you would know how to do it without their help. I didn't see where the procedure was documented on the site. There does appear to be an option to unlock a second unit with my old map. It also appears that I will be able to upgrade either one of the two units, but the "other" will require a full price purchase. I am awaiting confirmation on that last part. UPDATE: Apparently that last sentence is not true. I just got an e-mail saying that the upgrade would only work on the original unit. Theron

Oh, I forgot about this one too... For this map, I used the GPS track of the cruise ship, plus the time stamp from my digital camera to match up where I was when I took a picture of an incredible sunset behind the Miami skyline. I used other web-based tools to determine the position of the sun at that moment so I could add in the bearing of the sunset from my location, which allows you to see on the map where the skyline was that I photographed. This is truly geeky! Miami Sunset from Grandeur of the Seas - 10/29/2006 5:29PM The map is at the top, scroll down for the photo. Theron

Well, I haven't ridden in a hot air balloon, but I have recorded tracks for several events, and displayed them to a Google map mashup. For some reason I seem to get a kick out of it! Here are some of them: Cruise ship returning up the Chesapeake Bay to Baltimore Potomac River lunch cruise (two trips) Cruise ship entering Hamilton, Bermuda (interesting because of the extensive reefs surrounding Bermuda) Pendleton Golf Course, Ladysmith, VA (tossed GPS in golf cart, recorded my trek around the course) This site has a web based tool that encodes your track into a Google Map Polyline, and even lets you see it on a map (click on "Encoding form"). It's extremely useful: http://facstaff.unca.edu/mcmcclur/GoogleMaps/EncodePolyline/ Have fun! Theron

I have not set up a My Garmin account yet. I sort of assumed you had to have a serial number first before you cold even try the second unlock, but maybe I'll give it a look. The problem is that I am not anxious to spend several hundred dollars on a new hardware product from a company that may have decided after the fact to steal back half the value of a map product I previously purchased. So I want it in writing from someone that they will still honor the product that I already own before they get another dime from me. The only way to do that is to ask for it. I don't really want a loophole, I want a solidly documented policy that is ethical. I am fairly certain that they will allow me to unlock a second unit with my old City Select maps, because they would obviously be be exposed to class action litigation if they actually deny users of previous versions what they have been promised. I'm really wanting to see how the upgrade process plays out, and I want it in writing. They have lost a lot of trust, at least with me. Theron

SA was turned off at midnight on May 1, 2000. I think there were quite a few parties of celebration in the GPS world. Wikipedia has an interesting article. Spoofing is another matter altogether, I guess the question is why would anyone want to spoof you while you were riding down the road on your motorcycle? I mean unless you were riding beside Fort Knox, or maybe the White House or something... It's simple enough to test... find a long flat stretch of interstate with mile markers, set the cruise control on 60 (by your GPS) and see if the markers don't fly by at exactly 60 second intervals. Assuming a few things, including the stability of your cruise control, and the competence of your local highway department surveyers! Theron

Interesting... I wonder if the Europe products are under different license terms. I am wanting to do essentially the same thing except with a GPS V currently using City Select (North America) v.6 and a new (yet to be purchased) 76Cx, but upgrading to City Navigator North America 2008 for at least the new unit. Trying to get this done with only one upgrade fee. Still waiting to hear back from Garmin. Theron

Not sure if you are talking about posession, or actual use, but radio receivers of any kind have always been banned from use during flight. At least the last time I checked that was the case. If that is no longer true, I would welcome updated information. Theron

Well, I obtained my 2nd unlock code free yesterday. So Garmin are keeping their word re the second code bought with a previous unit. For what GPSr and map product and version did you just receive this second unlock code? Then I have a follow on question... Theron

From the home page select--> maps-->on the road maps--> under the City navigator set, select North America--> click the viewer in the upper right corner. It brings up the viewer for City Nav NA 2008. Wow, that's truly bizarre. When I follow those exact steps, I get a pop-up window with the title at the top of the map reading: "City Navigator North America v8". Theron

How did you navigate to the new viewer? All the ways I am familiar with still show v8. Theron

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No, it won't, and the flight attendant overreacted in a huge way. I would almost be tempted to complain about it. There are published lists of airlines that specifically allow and that don't allow GPS devices to be used during the cruise phase (just like all other electronic gear) of a flight. There has been much speculation as to why some airlines still don't allow them, but nobody thinks it is because of interference. The reaction you got just illustrates the ignorance of that particular flight attendant. Sure it might be against the rules of that airline, but there is no justification to threaten you with arrest for it. A simple "those aren't allowed during flight, could you please turn it off" would have been much more appropriate. What airline was it, if you don't mind saying? I will make sure to add them to my own "No Fly" list! Theron

I am quite disappointed with Garmin's recent change in policy to restrict most of their road map products to one GPSr, after many years of allowing one map product to be used on two GPSrs. So much so that they are forcing a formerly unquestionably loyal customer to start looking around at other options. Congratulations Garmin! The aspiration of every marketing department! I am only familiar with the Garmin products, so I would like this thread to be a place where those who are familiar with other brands can provide information so that we can compare and contrast the various policies in place. To the best of my knowledge, most of the handheld Garmin GPSrs are now sold with only a rudimentary base map. Any detailed maps must be purchased seperately, and are now valid for only one GPSr. At least some of the map products may be purchased as a DVD or directly loaded onto a MicroSD chip. Retail price seems to run somewhere in the neighborhood of $140 for the US based mapset. Upgrades to the mapset seem to run in the neighborhood of $75, and are released about once per year. Garmin has a good reputation for excellent road maps. They also carry topographical maps, and marine maps (both navigational and bathymetric), which are all separately priced. How do the other major brands compare? Thanks, Theron