William Webb Ellis

No, just pick up the ball an run with it.

It seems like people keep trying to apply football analogies to various discussions I'm involved in these days. Sorry, folks. Football couldn't be further from caching. It's not teams playing against each other. There is no winner or loser. I find that football, Rugby, and even American football analogies work quite well.

You keep bringing that up, as if your ability to geocache is effected when someone logs a couch potato virtual, or, as in this case, visits a location but doesn't find anything that fits your definition of find. If you aren't going to find archived virtual caches, how are you effected by them being logged? If someone wants to play football, how are they effected because somewhere halfway around the world they play a different game and call it football? If someone playing your kind of football changes mid-game to the other kind of football, you might find that a bit annoying. But if you if find it annoying because someone uses the online logs at Geocaching.com for a different reason than you, I suggest you get some better fitting underwear that doesn't bunch up so easily.

No, it was not soccer. It was football. Soccer refers to the game played under the rules maintained by certain governing bodies - nowadays the Fédération Internationale de Football Association (FIFA), but originally the English Football Association. The name soccer is in fact a shortening of Football Association. Geocaching has few rules and no true governing body. Groundspeak maintains some guidelines for the listing of geocaches on their site and these sort of lend themselves to some de facto statements such as "GPS usage is an integral and essential element of both hiding and seeking caches and must be demonstrated for all cache submissions." However even for this statement it can be argued that there is no rule forcing the seeker to use GPS to find a cache. And even if the hider depends on some other method to determine coordinates, the reviewer likely be unaware, and even then might not hold up the publication of the cache. It is clear that under current guidelines power trails are listed on Geocaching.com and finds by seekers of these caches count in the find count just like every other cache. briansnat is entitled to an opinion, but he doesn't get to make up facts. Only I, William Webb Ellis, can break the rules and make up facts. I hereby state that the expression Fixed That For You and the acronym "FTFY", were first used by a certain schoolboy at Rugy School in the year 1823.

I take exception that characterization of newcommers.