Logscaler and Red
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Placed 05-26-01, First found 06-01-2003, 2nd time was 04-09-04. Wanna be third?
We also have one out yet to be found after 7 weeks and several with only a few finds after several years. It'll get hit sooner or later.
If there are no close by caches, plant a few more easy ones around and you will attract more people who might give it a shot just because they are in the area.
logscaler.
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With all the crappy White Fir I have seen, there must be a flock of cross-eyed people wandering in the woods.
Drill a Cottonwood and your chance's of striking water are pretty good. Not the kind you would want. Ugly nasty stuff at times. And STINK! You think the pull my finger joke is bad, just pull a plug out of a rotton cottonwood.
I will send an idea to you you just might like.
logscaler.
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Myself, I would not be to worried about the professional land managers perception's.
They will have a pretty good idea what is harming the trees and what is not.
I would worry more about the perception of those not informed in the subject.
As for the tree needing fire to pop the cone, Lodgepole will respond that way.
Now, I was just wondering what species of tree your going to be dealing with for this cache? That just might make all the difference in the world. Entrance wounds of just about any kind on a Sugar Pine will kill them.
And as for the geocaching section, I have done several caches where the cord - line - rope has been thrown over a limb to hoist the cache up and down with. After a few ups and downs, the line gets embedded into the limb and the cache is just left sitting or hanging right at the tree. Pine trees will pitch out real fast and them your relly stuck. But I would see no problem with climbing the tree and hanging a small pully from a cord or chunk of rope. Zip ties would work as well. You dont have to tighten them to the end, just make a loop.
Ask the park manager about any trees slated for removal in the future and see if he will let you play with it. So to speak.
logscaler.
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Drill and dowl = Bad idea.
Creates a wound for the bad guys to enter into the tree. There are types of rot and fungi that have to have exposed heartwood for them to enter into the tree and the dowl would be a good start. If you used something like a plastic dowl, that should work out well. No metal to be projectile, no wood for fungi food, not poisonous for the tree, easy to remove when needed and not needed to be very deep. And if you did it in the spring when the sap is starting, it would pitch over any wound sealing the holes.
Myself, I plan on using some old sluffed bark, hardboard, epoxy, screws, chainsaw, hinges and magnetic cupboard latches on a snag. Just finding the time is the hard part.
logscaler.
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Professional opinion coming up.
Iron based nails in trees are a bad thing. Nails made from aluminum are preferred for trail markers, informational signs, hanging quill pig tails from, no trespassing signs, etc.
I have to deal with hundreds if not thousands of logs every day and any that I find with iron nails in them get culled out, marked out, sawn out and thrown into the trash pile. Period. No one gets paid for them and if you send enough, the mill will ban you from bringing any more logs. The same cull rule also applies for those trees with embedded fence wire, cable, tricycle's, guns, tire irons, phone wire, telegraph wire, horse shoes, railroad spikes, flower pots, crosscut saws, picnic tables, car bumpers, meat poles, water pumps, road signs, etc.
Copper nails will have little or no effect on trees. I base this on the fact that I have seen thousands of trees with copper jacketed bullets get sawn. The tree usually just pitches around the wound and keeps on going. Unless enough lead is thrown at the tree to blow it in half or girdle it.
When I hang items from a tree for cache hunts, I use drywall screws and attach them to a limb and not the bole of the tree. Stainless steel nails will be "killer" in sawmills. At least iron based nails leave a tell tail iron oxide trace in the butt of the tree for me to use to locate nails. Stainless steel will not.
But if your going to hang something from a barkless snag - "wildlife tree" (bugfood aka widowmaker) no harm no foul as far as I am concerned. There is no bark to grow over and hide the metal objects.
logscaler.
(edit for stupid fingers)
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Hers is a shot of a Beaver I spotted on a lake bank . HERE.
Bobcat.
Bull and Cow Elk.
http://img.Groundspeak.com/cache/log/fc361...cae34c7c840.jpg
Plenty more, just not loaded to the cache pages.
logscaler.
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After the flaming, Don't be surprised when your bug(s) "dissappers" from a cache and ends up in Montana on a Mountain top just before snow fall.
logscaler.
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Another cache that will be fast and easy to drop a bug in is :
GCJ88H - Payette Pitstop - http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_detai...&log=y&decrypt=
logscaler
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You could stop off at our "Under the Wide and Starry Skies..." Cache. - GCJBAB
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_detai...6a-898b4ca7609c
It is just a little ways off the main drag Between Burns Jct. and Jordan Valley and seems to be the only cache big enough to hold anything.
Or you could do a zip search on Payette, Idaho - zip 83661. There where a lot of easy and fast close by caches there.
logscaler.
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It shouldn't be to hard to track him down through the Boy Scouts.
If he happens to be a Scout Master, turn him into the National Headquarters with an explanation and see what happens. The last I knew, the Boy Scouts did not like thieves in the ranks. If he happens to be one of the "adults" along for the hike, turn him into the Scout Master as well as the National Headquarters.
logscaler.
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You could try going to Magellans website and get the upgraded program which will help. I did not find it there anymore but calling them and asking where to find any software upgrades would work as well.
I used a 315 for about 500 +/- caches before getting a 330.
If your in the need of a NEW unit, Magellan has a trade-in program as well.
logscaler.
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Wow.
Just checked our DNF's and found we have 79 of them.
And whats the problem with logging them anyway?
Short and to the point: Afraid someone will think your a loser or something? Sounds like an ego problem to me.
When you go fishing, do you catch all the fish in the pond? Haven't you ever had one get away?
Just because someone outsmarted you on placing a cache doesn't make you stupid.
What would be the fun of finding everything you looked for anyway?
That's part of the game. Learning to see things outside of the box, so to speak.
The key word here is "learn".
Deal with it.
logscaler.
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Just a question from a different angle.
With abandoned caches that "we" the cachers are taking care of after the "owners" have dropped off the radar, will "we" be able to contact a local approver to have them change the cache page to reflect the use of these new attributes?
And as for the grab and go cachers out there, how about a selection of time frames for doing the cache, out and back;
less then 30 minutes; 30 minutes to 1 hour; in excess of 1 hour.
The cache placer pretty much knows all the local cachers and will be able to judge how long it will take the majority of them to do the cache on average. Out of towners will just have to chance it.
logscaler.
(Edit) Well I guess I missed that time frame the first go around. Sorry. Or your pretty dang fast. (Edited once again for stupid fingers.)
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Just a side note.
I know of a Elk hunter who had a "mild" heart attack Saturday last, had a stint installed Sunday, home Tuesday and on a Elk stand Wednesday morning.
To some people, Hunting is not a matter of life and death. It is more serious then that.
logscaler.
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Well I am not sure how to respond to that bigeddy. But here is a start. And finish.
Quote : "It's my land, too, and in a civilized society the people causing the harm should be the ones taking the necessary precautions, not the victims."
What harm has been dumped on you?
And your a victim of what? Being cautious? Taking measures that may save your life? When you drive or ride in a car, You wear a seatbelt, you pay attention to your surrondings, you know and understand the traffic laws, you look for possible trouble ahead of time, right? When you go hiking, you take food, water and fire with you, right? You have a safety kit in your car with you, right?
Quote : "I find it disturbing that I'm expected to know where, when and how hunting takes place"
As for knowing where when or how, Pack your bag for the weekend and you can ride around with Red and I as we go in search of a Blacktail Buck this weekend and we can show you where when and maybe how. If things work out right, we will even teach you how to field dress and bone out a deer. Every sporting goods store in town has hunting synopsis and they are FREE. Besides that, it seems as the Deer and Elk know when to duck and cover. Just follow their lead.
And I can tell you right now, in Oregon firearm Mule Deer season usually starts the last weekend of September or the first weekend of October and runs about 10 days, that Blacktail season starts the same weekend and runs through about the first weekend of Novemeber with a few different Elk Seasons scattered all the way from August to December, depending on location in the state. Sliver slingers get a head start somewhere in the first of August and off and on through November, depending on which part of the state your in and the chunk chuckers get their time in there somewhere also. EVERY YEAR.
And I would be willing to bet your chance of getting assulted by muggers or theives while on the trail are a lot higher then getting into trouble with a hunter.
I am not rying to pick any fight between hunters and non hunter but this thread is starting to turn that way. I think I will bow out about........................ now.
logscaler.
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CFM;
Yes, your getting the hang of it. "Glassing" to most hunters simple means your sitting back and looking through binoculars or a spotting scope looking things over.
logscaler.
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Here in John Day, The hills are WHITE, the RAIN is coming down about 1 inch a day, the mud is DEEP, the WIND is a ripping and I am wondering why I do this for a living.
logscaler.
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niskibum;
No offense on my part as I agree with you on pretty much everything you said.
I have a couple guys I work with who are trying to talk me into getting set up for chunk chucking and sliver slinging. I already have a muzzle loader kit gun - poor quality but maybe something to start with - and I have just about talked Red into letting me get set with the archery getup.
And I agree with you about the first shot as well.
And I also would have no problem with your mistrust of myself or anyone else you have never been around with a firearm. It is only self protection and something I do myself.
And if you really want a spooky experience, try sitting on a rim glassing for mulies and spot some one looking at you. Through their scope.
All and all, I have to agree with most everything said so far and those I disagree with come from a different lifestyle and have a different view of the same problem. We just have to find a middle ground. Or agree to disagree.
logscaler.
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Lots of responses from both sides of the fence. And even the big J has found voice.
Yes, one little character can make a whole lot of difference. Kinda like saying "Bite me" with a smile or with a middle finger extended.
Jeremy: As for how to get started, I was also born into it and it is second nature to be out and about. The best way I know of to get started is to search your circle of friends and locate the ones who do hunt and approach them about your interest in getting started.
bigeddy: That last incident was a 12 year old and his Dad. Pops decided to get IN FRONT of the rifle while the kid was looking through a scope. More then likely the kid did not see Dad stepping over in front of the rifle but below his line of vision through the scope. And those are not hunters you mentioned. Just a bunch of townies who think they are "Getting away from it all." Yes, there should be a training camp for them as well.
CFM : Them ain't hunters. Just a bunch of jokers pretending to be. I also hunt behind closed gates due to the fact very few townies will get off their lazy butts and put any miles on their feet. It is common for Red and I to put 3 - 8 miles a day on our hunts hiking old roads and glassing old units. Contact your local OSP game officer and tell him about the traffic problem. As for the 'shroom, Red and I will have to get together with you one of these days and "pick" your brain about all the ones we encounter.
BullMoose : Yes, here in Oregon it is also illegal to hunt from a motorized vehicle be it a car, pickup or atv. It is also a big no-no to shoot from or across any open road. Or to even have a loaded weapon while in/on one.
NomadRaven : For Oregon, check here -
And I am sure there is a same type web site for the other states as well.
All in all, I also agree about wearing contrasting colors and the Blaze Orange "ten mile" cloth vest I wear at work is the same as what I wear hunting.
Logs on the ground, gotta go to work.
logscaler.
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A) I have not said he is slaming hunting.
I could not give a R.A.'s less about people ragging on me about hunting Bambi, Bambi's Mom, Dad, Aunts and or Uncles. They all make good stew and jerky.C) They problem I had - and I just might be reading more into it is:
1) "and now they have guns!
2) with the tag line of "I don't want to see any... Took Bullet, Left Life, won't get to sign the log... ever again!
From my standpoint, if this is just a heads up about hunting season, which is the way I started to read it, then the exclamation point is uncalled for and changes the whole meaning of the statement.
Combine that with the last part and it takes the overtone of anti-gun.
But I would be highly interested in the rest of the story.
logscaler.
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Choking back comments.
Must play nice.
Must be PC.
For now anyway.
BS. Cant do it.
I have never been accused of being PC and I ain't about to start. I am not a sheep.
So, here goes.
Everytime I see something like this posted, I have to wonder about the intent of the posting.
Are you slamming rifle hunters (or gun owners in general?) as slobs and dangrous to be around?
Or is it a simple reminder there are fire arms in the woods?
That reminder would have been fine. Except.
Except for this: "Hunters have been in the woods for a month or so now, but now they have guns!"
Emphasis is mine.
Did you post something like this for the Muzzleloader season?
Did you post something like this for the handgun season?
Whatever the intent is, it still makes no sense to me to add that last part.
I would be willing to bet you are way more likely to ever be hurt on your way to or from a cache hunt by those people who drink alcoholic beverages. There are a lot more people who drink then will ever pack a gun.
Read the papers, listen to the radio or watch some TV. Who makes the most noise and gets the most attention with the media crowd? People with guns.
Who causes the most damage? People who drink alcoholic beverages. Who kill the most people? People who drink alcoholic beverges. Just take a look at your own circle of friends and count how many of them have been impacted by guns and how many have been impacted by drinkers.
The world would be safer if we enforced the laws for drinking. Driving or not. People who drink make a decision to drink and they have to be responsible for their actions. Period.
Drunk and kill someone? It is Murder and they should be executed. They choose to drive to where ever they where going to drink knowing they where going to drive home.
Get caught drunk driving? You lose your privilege to drive any type of moterized vehicle for the rest of your life. No exceptions. No car, truck, scooters, lawn tractor.
The biggest difference I see is that most of the poeple who complain about guns are those boozers who do all the drinking and driving but what to hide their problem with booze. Boozers have got to be the biggest hypocrite's on the face of the earth.
Ask any cop out there who has to deal with them.
"How much have you had to drink tonight?" "Oh, just a couple of beer's"
Yea, right. That is why your parked on the street in front of your house. The house you lived in 15 years ago. That's why you can't walk 5 feet without staggering. That's why you cant even spell your own name. That's why you blow 3.oh man.
So, RRW, Even as I respect your opinion and your right to voice it, I must still call BS on your statement. I think I will do some research on the net for a while.
Later, Logscaler.
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Found this right away: http://www.justfacts.com/gun_control.htm
1995 Fatal Accident Totals
Motor Vehicles 43,900
Falls 12,600
Poisonings 10,600
Drownings 4,500
Fires 4,100
Choking 2,800
Firearm 1,400 (1.5% of fatal accidents)
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It is sure easy to tell the people who don't have to
WORK in the s**w from most of us that do. 
logscaler.
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Africa - 28 % wilderness area.
USA - 38 % Wilderness area.
How much more do you want?
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I also had a great time sitting back and watching the crowd. At least feshie looked happy enough for the time being.
But seeing as I was ready for it to be outside and not inside, I was dressed more "casual" then most - Thanks Lazyboy & MityMite for keeping me company in the casual dress style. And it was easy picking out most of the cachers from the rest of the crowd. Some cacher where not dressed very "casual" and I hope she left her hat.
Let me know when the next one is and I will try and get Red to come to it.
Event that is, as We hope your marriage is long and peaceful.
logscaler & Red
I could not give a R.A.'s less about people ragging on me about hunting Bambi, Bambi's Mom, Dad, Aunts and or Uncles. They all make good stew and jerky.
Unusual Animal Encounters
in General geocaching topics
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Here is a cute little critter we caught in Idaho.
Or these little guys on the Snake River near Lewistone.
Ever seen a Mulie Buck stuck in a fence?
And I bet this little guys bite is worse then his bark.
More?