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NEWS FLASH !!!!! Here is the latest response I got from Garmin. QUOTE: "Thank you for contacting Garmin International. The memory I have quoted you is what is remaining after the pre-loaded maps. They all have the same amount of memory before the maps are loaded onto them. If you should have any further questions or concerns, please feel free to contact us. ": UNQUOTE Now we're getting closer to the truth. But WHY is it so darn hard for them to just come out and answer my question. I have asked several times how much memory the units have BEFORE any maps/charts are loaded on them. They keep spitting out the REMAINING memory AFTER the maps/charts are loaded. This latest response indicates that ALL of the Oregon 400 units start out with the same amount of internal memory. I shot back one last email begging them to tell me what that amount is that they stated is the same for all the Oregon 400 units. I'll let you know what I hear next.....

Grasscatcher.... Got it ! Good advice..... Not only for the GPS units where possible, but ALL files. Thanks for the tip..... Tim

Man.. it would sure be nice if some with the 400c could take that same picture and post it !

I just got two replies from Garmin about how much memory is in the different Oregon 400 units. Here is the text: #1.) QUOTE: "Thank you for contacting Garmin International. The internal memory of the units are all different. The 400T has 1gb of internal memory, the 400i has 37mb. Unfortunately I do not know how they are going to handle the updates for the g2 moving forward. I do apologize. " :UNQUOTE #2.) QUOTE: " Thank you for contacting Garmin International. The 400i has 37MB of internal memory and the 400T has 1GB of memory." : UNQUOTE So Garmin says the 400t has 1GB, the 400c has 73MB, and the 400i has 37MB. Now to me... this STILL does not sound quite right when many other says that the 400t for sure has 4GB. The Tech at Garmin must really mean "remaining" memory for other thinsg to be loaded such as POI's other maps/charts. So the Tech still not really answer my question. What do you all think ? I would want as much "internal" memory as possible. I guess I am going to send the 400c back and buy the 400t and then figure out how to get the img from the 400c to load on the 400t for the g2 charts.

There isn't anything that prevents you from loading a map image from one onto another unit other than space. I've loaded 400i maps onto my 400t and it worked. I guess the big questions is... How can I get the "image" of the g2 Bluecharts to load onto the Oregon 400t ?

Yes... that could be a concern with all of the updates/improvements Garmin is making on the Oregon 400 units.

I found another sire that claims the 400c has a "Hard Drive" which is 850MB large. Garmin Oregon 400c By James Hutchinson GoodGearGuide October 21, 2008 12:00am Rating: Price: $749 Features: Screen resolution: 240x400 GPS accuracy: 5m Screen size: 3" Hard drive storage capacity: 850MB Supported memory media: Micro-SD

Grasschatcher, good thought... but The type of maps/charts on the unit is specifically tied to the serial number of the unit. Garmin knows what maps/charts are on which serial numbers. If I go ahead and return the 400c and buy the 400t, I'll just have to bite the bullet and buy the g2 BlueCharts or the Regular Bluecharts.

I've had the same thoughts as to which is the better choice for how I'll be using it most of the time. I don't have Blue Charts so that is the only reason I keep the 400c. The 400c map segments in addition to the coastal areas includes the Great Lakes, Mississippi River, Tennessee River, St. Johns River, FL, Swanee River, Georgia, Cooper River, SC plus others that have commercial navigation. As you know from your Blue Charts, the g2 map segments don't go far in distance from the body of water they are for... therefore a lot of the U.S. does not have g2 charts unlike Topo and U.S. Inland Lakes which both cover the entire U.S. thus accounting for the smaller amount of internal memory. It would be nice if the 400c had the same amount of internal memory as the 400t. I agree.... I just found this blurb at the Crutchfield.com web site about the 400c. QUOTE:"24 MB Built-In Memory Preloaded Maps: The Garmin Oregon 400c features a 24 MB built-in memory and is preloaded with the MapSource World Base Map and US Bluechart g2 Map. ": UNQUOTE Talk about mis-information !

eaparks, Based on the comments so far, it looks like the 400t has 4GB, the 400i has 2GB, and the 400c has 1GB. I'm shocked ! It's not what I expected.

Hi g-o-casher. Were you able to physcially confirm those memory amounts yourself ? It seems like there is much conflicting info about the memory in each unit. As I posted earlier, the gpsmagazine site show them all as 4GB. Then your WIKI showed differing amounts in each unit and an unknown amount for the 400c. And to add to the confusion, Garmin comes up with another amount. Like I said, I will probably be sending the 400c bakc and ordering the 400t instead. Thanks, Tim

This is making me re-think my purchase of the Oregon 400c. I may have been better off getting the 400t if is has such a larger amount of built-in memory. I planned to have the Bluecharts, Topo and CNNA on the unit, so I'd be buying some charts/maps anyway. I assumed that the 400c had at least as much memory as the 400t since the nautical charts are pretty intensely detailed and would require a lot of space. I have not even received it yet, and now, I may be sending it back !

I thought the GTM 20 FM TMC Traffic receiver only came in one version.... But I was wrong. Can anyone explain the difference between these two GTM 20 receivers "Other" than one says it comes with "Lifetime Traffic" and is about $100 CHEAPER ??? When you click on the products, you see different units too, but the receiver looks the same to me... even the connector. Garmin Part #010-00544-13 GTM 20 w/Lifetime Traffic MSRP $119.99 Garmin Part #101-00544-01 GTM 20 MSRP $214.27 Wouldn't you think they would designate it with different Model numbers if it were really different. They have the MSN receivers the GDB 50 and the GDB 55. Doe sthe same but for differrent receivers. Weird..... and confusing....

Well Oregon 400c owners ? Can anyone check and verify their amount of memory on the unit ? You'd think if ANYONE can answer the questions, it would be Garmin, but it seems to be harder than making wine out of water to get the information. I am sure it has more than 73MB that they told me......

Mattalbr, THANKS a bunch for that image. Looks like 4GB of unit/internal memory. What size memory card to you have installed ?

This is just the BETA release. How long does it syat in BETA usually, before it goes final ?

Mattalbr, Thanks..... when you look at your unit when it's plugged into your compiuter with the USB, what does it show as far as memory in the unit and "used" and "available" ? Tim

Ya... 73MB REMAINING FREE is what I figured. The link I gave to the review on gpsmagazine showed all the 400 untis as have 4GB memory. According to the WIKI site you gave, the 400i only has 1.86GB and does not list any size for the 400c. To me... it would make send that they ALL have the same amount of internal memory and that it is 4GB since the maps take up so much memory they would need a good size of internal working memory. Thanks, Tim

I sent off an email to Garmin Tech Support inquiring about how much memoery was on the Oregon 400c. I was curious to see if it was different from the 400t. There is much confusion about memory in general, many people confuse the true built-in internal memoery with the memory on a memory card. Anyway... here is the resonse I got from Garmin: Thank you for contacting Garmin International. Quote: "The 400C has 73MB of internal memory. You may indeed load standard Bluechart maps on the unit. You would need to unlock each region for the Bluechart applications that you purchase. The maps that come standard on the unit are all unlocked. If you should have any further questions or concerns, please feel free to contact us.": UNQUOTE Now that is very to me as I am pretty sure that the g2 Bluecharts are over 1GB. What I don't know... is if it really DOES have 73MB of internal memory perhaps it comes with a micro SD card already ion place with the g2 charts in place loaded ont he card and the units uses it's 73MB as working memory. I sent back another email asking for a comparison of "Internal Memory" on all of the Oregon 400 series, the 400c, 400t and 400i. According to this blurb I found on the gpsmagazine.com site, all of the Oregon 400 units have 4GB of internal memoery, which sounds more correct to me...: http://www.gpsmagazine.com/2008/08/garmin_...400t_review.php Can anyone who has the 400c,i or t, please post what your memory really is and how your 400 came configured as far as the size of the "internal memory" and the size of the memory "card", or even if a card was included and how much memory was/is used by the maps/charts and how much memory is still available? Thanks, Tim

FYI... I've mentioned it before, but I have the 2008.5 Bluecharts and they have been out since the middle of last year. I had assumed that Garmin ( or whoever ) was putting out a neweer updated version of Bluecharts every 6 months or so. I emailed Garmin to ask when the next Bluecharts would be available and Garmin responded that they were not going to be puttin gout any more updates of Bluecharts and that the units that use Bluecharts were being updated with firmware that will allow them to use the g2 Bluecharts. That is not good news. I have always used Bluecharts and Mapsource to plan courses and navigation BEFORE I took any trips/cruises on the boat or jet ski. You can't load the g2 Bluecharts into Mapsource so you can't do a real time or visual plotting of courses etc. I have not seen any firmwar eupdates for my existing 76CSx yet to allow it to use g2 and by the time I use the 76CSx for navigation, the charts will be nearly a year old. I wonder if this firmware update is going to be for ALL of the Handheld Garmin GPS units ? Additionally, the g2 Bluecharts are only available on SD cards which are MUCH more expensive than the regular Bluecharts on DVD. So Garmin is taking away a major feature and capability of my 76CSx and it's goingto cost me a bundle. The same will hold true for the Oregon 400c. I have not seen any information about any sort of "Upgrade" or updates of the g2 Bluecharts at all.

Hopefully, I can assist you. I have an Oregon 400c, just came from a 60CSx. Still use both. 1. Maps are on the units internal memory and are also the basemap for the unit. 2. All regions are unlocked, including the Bahamas. I haven't looked beyond that to see if any othe parts of the Caribbean are unlocked. 3. Yes, most definitely. Is rather time consuming creating the waypoints on the unit if you are covering several miles and have the unit zoomed in a lot. In a channel with a lot of turns you would want to be zoomed in a lot to be sure you were marking the center of the channel. Another option would be to create and save the track using the GPS. Or option no. 2 create enough waypoints on the unit and transfer to Mapsource and connect the waypoints as a saved track and send the track back to the unit. 4. Don't know. edit: g2 map is called "U.S. Marine Detail g2i v2.51" on the Maps page of the unit. eaparks... Thanks a ton for your help. So... you CAN manipulate data using MapSource. I had been reading reports to the contrary and I am glad you can use mapsource. Perhaps it's that you can't actually load the g2 charts into mapsource. But I do already have the regular bluecharts and maybe I can use that back and forth. ( I have a 76CSx. ) Thanks again. Tim

Well.... THAT'S not good news. I guess we'll be getting more reports as the days go by.....

I am having a heck of a time getting specific info about the Oregon 400c which comes wiht the g2 Bluecharts on it. Does anyone here have the 400c ? 1.) Are the maps on an "SD" card or in the unit memory ? 2.) Are "ALL" the regions unlocked for viewing or Only one and then I have to pay for others ? 3.) Can you actually "plot a course" thru channels between markers/bouys ? 4.) Any idea how often the g2 charts are updated and how much an update would cost ? Thanks for any help.

Story of my life... always in the wrong place. I'm also surprised not to see some mention of any tweaks for the 60/76 CSx untis to utilize the g2 Vision charts. Garmin told me that the regular BlueCharts will not be updated any longer for, at least, the 76CSx as they will be upgraded to use the g2 vision Bluecharts. I would think that doind so would be a priority update/upgrade. Something you don't want outdated... are nautical charts. Tim

I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone. I swear... I was just there right before I posted and it still showed V3.7. I see it now does have 3.90. Thanks for the link. Perhaps I somehow got to the wrong place. Tim