Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking

quote:Originally posted by opey one: I do NOT reccommend ANY of the types of ephedra pills sold over-the-counter. I have actually used the "Yellow Jacket" brand, and believe me, the name suits the effect.....Nervousness, anxiety, my heart racing, and shaking all over, much like the bee would bee. I'm certified in CPR and accredited in Advanced First Aid in the state of Virginia, and I highly reccommend that those not prescribed ephedra or any likeness, not to use them over the counter unless doctor presribed. Many ill effects derive from using these pills and they are NOT approved by the FDA. O1 We are both pharmacists and have been telling people for years how dangerous ephedra is. Unfortunately, people think because they are "natural herbals" that they are safe. Wrong. Congress passed an act years ago that changed the way these drugs were regulated. Instead of the herbal drug companies having to prove their safety and efficacy like the prescription drugs, the FDA has to prove instead that these drugs are dangerous. A multimillion dollar industry was born. The dollar first, people's health last. Sorry this is off topic. Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898

This is the first time I've initiated a topic. Please be kind. Keep all rock throwing to a minimum. As a cache owner, I am happy whenever someone visits my cache. Recently, there's been a rash of entries like "1/24 for the day. Thanks." or only "tn/ln signed log". I prefer entertaining and descriptive log entries especially on the virtual log. It's my reward for setting up the cache. Out of curiosity, why do geocachers make simple, short and dull log entries? Is it really asking too much for there to be one sentence about how you found it quickly while your partner was looking at another location, or the dog that wouldn't leave you alone while you looked, the hummingbird you saw as you looked... You get the idea. Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898

For us, the thrill is in the hunt. If there is a prize or not doesn't matter. Some of my favorite caches have been those without goodies to trade. On the other hand, certain cachers have a flair for placing larger caches that are a lot of fun. For the most part though, cachers don't seem to place anything of interest in the caches. There's probably only a half dozen things we've found in caches that interested us enough to keep them. Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898

I didn't say I agree with asking permission, only that some land agencies don't see a difference between virtual and physical caches. NPS doesn't allow caches. Therefore permission should be obtained for the virtual cache. This makes geocaching respectable in their eyes. This goes a long way to helping the public/land agency perception of us. I cited the Deer Valley Rock Art Center because that was a clear case of geocachers not doing anything wrong yet the center viewed cachers as violating their turf. I'd like to geocaching be acceptable everywhere. To do that, we have to appear to be cooperative and reasonable. Maybe this way, we can get physical caches accepted once again in areas they are now banned from. Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898

How about posting fake coordinates and doing a small puzzle or math equation to get the final coordinates. Then there wouldn't be a map to show them where the building was. Or the first stage in a multi could be the coordinates listed on a magnetic strip and placed on a sign in a parking lot somewhere nearby (even up to a mile away). You could then state on the cache page that the first stage is in plain sight and there should be no tearing up of the landscape. (I didn't post quick enough, two others posted before I got this idea out there.) *********** Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898

Here in sunny Arizona where I swear the heat affects the brains of people running this state, we have had a problem with avirtual cache placed without permission.It involved a public and advertised area to see Indian rock art and a virtual cache. It seems that while we understand the difference between a virtual and physical cache, the land management agencies do not. To them a cache is a cache no matter what we call it. Although the virtual was a worthwhile and proper one, the employee of the rock art site went nuts about it. This particular cache placement had to be archived. (For the record I mean no criticism to the owner of that cache. I was looking forward to doing it. I still can't believe how ugly the Indian rock art site director/employee got over this.) One of their main objections, besides their disdain for geocaching, was that permission was not asked, even for a virtual. They viewed it as their property and any activity on their property needed permission. Some geocachers here are now trying to educate the land agencies about the difference between virtual and physical caches. The point is, permission should be obtained, according to the website. One had it, the other didn't. If only one cache could be there, give it to the one with permission. He followed the rules posted on this website. And it makes geocaching look good to NPS. Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 [This message was edited by Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking on April 24, 2003 at 06:19 PM.]

It is inappropriate to put an AK in a cache where children might find it. Removed AK left old Easter chocolate bunny. Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898

Go to each state. under the license plate, there is a website listing for that state if there is one. Example: Arizona lists azgeocaching.com. Click on it and it goes there. Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898

Probably way too much information but here goes. He: Bachelor of Pharmacy She: Degrees in Anthropology, Art History and the big one... Doctor of Pharmacy...and now a housewife. Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898

You can usually get the larger pharmacy vials for free or at most a very small fee if you go to a chain pharmacy and offer to pay for one. Independent pharmacies count every penny so I wouldn't ask at those. Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898

I'm bucking the trend here... Beausoleil and Andean/Peruvian/Australian Aboriginal/Chicken Scratch/Ethnic music. My other half prefers Kurt Cobain and other hard rock. Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898

Welcome DarylAZ, We are a pretty friendly community around here. I see you're from the East Valley. There's an event cache coming up that you might be interested in. It's a good way to meet other geocachers. Our team meets a lot of cachers while we're out so I'm sure you'll meet plenty of us out on the trail. Happy hunting. Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898

Ooooh please share stories. I love to hear about haunted places. ***************** Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 [This message was edited by Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking on April 23, 2003 at 03:49 AM.]

God help me, I could read that without the key. And some of the words I could read without even translating the letters. Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898

My personal gripe: All of the times I see AA batteries left on the ground near cache sites. I'd like to think they've fallen out of pockets and not deliberately left there. *************** Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898

When you run out of the house close to midnight because someone just posted a new cache within 10 miles of your house despite the fact you have to get up early the next day and go to work, just so you can log first find. I don't watch TV anymore, except for news and science programs. My dog no longer gets excited when I grab the car keys. (She barks at everything, makes it hard to be discreet when caching, so she gets left behind.) ************** Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898

Difficulty of cache hide or difficulty of terrain? Not all of us are capable of climbing that 5 star mountain to reach an ammo can. Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898

It has helped a lot. I didn't experience any problems, and did not get frustrated. Thank you for the reboot. ************ Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898

Cacher, McToy, Garmin or Muggles. These sound cozy. ********** Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898

You need to come to Arizona. We've seen that one a few times already. I don't know if it's the desert heat or the lack of things to do (or so it seems) but cachers out here spend a lot of time thinking of devious caches. We love the challenge. We've also got a few in the works that are definitely not your typical container. Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898

We found our first benchmark after finding our first dozen caches. We hadn’t planned to look for any but we literally tripped over it, a pipe cap with a shiny brass cap. Eighty benchmarks later and the thrill is still there. There is a difference in my attitude when we look for benchmarks. Looking for caches requires you to outthink the hider. Searching for benchmarks requires you to visualize old terrain and think of where something may be after the passage of many years. I’m a former archaeologist so there is the thrill of connecting to the past. Some of my favorite benchmarks are those I find on old buildings, or have some other connection to history. I’ve even tried to research some benchmarks. For example, there are some benchmarks dating from a military aerial survey that I am currently obsessed with. We found about 8 remaining benchmarks and I am trying to research their purpose. Elsewhere I found reference to an old WW II era military training base that virtually no one has heard of in our area. The base has a lot of benchmarks associated with it. We hope to find some of them. We also found a benchmark, unfortunately not in the database, from the original statehood survey…. How can you not be excited about benchmark hunting? And yes we love looking for caches too, especially clever ones. ***** Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898

Signs I'm caching too much: I no longer visualize/think of the city in terms of streets and addresses but rather cache locations. (You want directions to the movie theater? Go to this cache.) Signs I'm really addicted with this sport: Last year I went after a new cache in the desert, 1/2 mile walk, blazing afternoon sun, 112 degree heat, monsoon humidity, right after I had a root canal, before I got the pain meds from the pharmacy. My life will never be the same again. Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898

Jeez Jamie Z, claypigeon and the rest of you over-my-head physics people, you took all of the fun out of it before I could post a reply. Here goes anyway. Opey one said:I recall years ago a comment made (that I really believed), about the great population count in China, and that is what I was referencing earlier. I took the bait. Seems the vast population density in China would have some effect on the world catastrophically (i.e. disrupting the earth's orbit or the like), if every person were to perform the "jump" at the precise moment. Maybe there's someone to shed a little more light on this one. So is this a new weapon of mass destruction? Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898

Arizona cachers have a listserv. You might get a better response if you post the question on that. Contact azgeocaching.com for info on the listserv. I don't know what kind of caches you generally like but my current favorites are D-Man (by AJ-JR.), Old Glory: the Dogs of War, Roadrunners Revenge: Net Serve, Powerful Cacti, any cache by Panda77, Puz-zel, or Roadrunners. I hope this is a good starting point. Remember the rattlesnakes are starting to come out and have been seen near many caches. Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898

Someone in Arizona said that land agencies are given gratis (free) memberships. I don't know if that's true, but it eliminates the "cost of membership will stop the land agencies from confiscating my cache" argument. We're members because we CHOOSE to SUPPORT the website, not because we EXPECT some extra special benefits from it. If we get extra benefits, then that's a bonus. When we set a cache, we want people to attempt it. We are all for letting the masses attempt our caches (no guarantees of finding our caches). Nor do we look down our noses at those who don't have memberships. "I'm a member and you're not" snootiness is where elitism comes in. Although we probably won't do it, I think setting some caches initially as members-only then opening them up to everyone after a short time, or after the first find, is a good idea. Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898