koneko

hi! i'll be traveling from Ky to MA in the beginning of may - i believe i'll be on routes 78 and 81 while in PA (i may have to double check that statement later) - i'm looking for caches on or very very near both routes - i'll will be staying overnight probably in or near harrisburg - can anyone reccomend some good spots? i'm looking for speed on this trip - want to get as many as i can in a small amount of time. thanks! also - i'll be looking for smiliar spots along the rest of my trip - once i get bck home (at work now) i'll update/edit this topic to include my route -

nothing yet - though we are working with parks and rec to organize an earth day clean up - we'll post the final info here when we've got it- 'neko the white diamond pirates

i'm not saying nothing, just is just an fyi for those who find these articles interesting. http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/ptech/03/11/geo.slavery.ap/index.html 'neko

koneko: my ex husband (who geocaches with me from time to time) used to call me 'koneko' (japanese for 'little cat') and i love the name, so i kept it - i generally have to use 'okoneko' (the 'o' added to it demands respect in the japanese language i'm using) as so many females use 'neko or koneko for their usernames. (luckily noone had done that here yet!) the white diamond pirates: on my second geocaching trip ever to red river gorge in Kentucky, i brought along two friends who were 1) also new to geocaching and 2) avid gamers as well. i tried to explain geocaching to them by using the phrase 'modern treasure hunting' and they were hooked. (hence the pirates) - the trail we were hiking on (to find the "pinch'em tight" cache) was marked with white diamonds. we ended up starting some nonsense about the white diamond tribe of goblins in the area (ahhhh gamers - gotta love em). As we finished signing the log book, we felt we needed a name - And that's when we became the white diamond pirates. the name has stuck even though i only have one dedicated crew member left. (from 6 at one time down to 2) 'neko

would love to, and i know of an entire group of people who would be up for that as well... just not sure how well weekends work for everyone, but given anough notice, i'm sure something could be worked out - keep us posted on here, or on the geocky boards! 'neko the white diamond pirates

Hey all - just to let others know, a few Geocky members had the chance to meet with Kentucky State Nature Perserve Commission, Kentucky State Parks, Lexington-Fayette Urban County Government and Kentucky National Forest Service (I apologize if any of those titles are incorrect, I don't have my notes with me) about the geocaching issue within the state of Kentucky. I'm happy to report that everyone present at the meeting (not just us geocachers) were glad to get together, happy to be working together, and eager to work something out in order to allow both sides to be able to continue with their activities. We spent quite a bit of time explaining what geocaching was, how it is practiced, why we enjoy it, what got us (as individuals) into the hobby, and what we feel geocaching can do for all divisions that were represented at this meeting. We had the opportunity to listen to everyones concerns, answer their questions, and generally get a feel for what each different agency was looking to get out of this meeting. Things are looking extremely well with each agency, and we look forward to developing guidelines to be used when geocaching within each specific area. We were happy to see their enthusiasm about the hobby as well as their eagerness to learn more about it and how they could benefit from geocachers as well. We will continue to post updates about geocaching in the state of Kentucky as soon as we get them. Please visit our website for more information. We would also like to thank everyone who chimed in and helped us out with information, advise, and experiences you had with similar situations. Every little bit helped us to get to where we are right now. Thank You! Jennifer the White Diamond Pirates

Hey all - just to let others know, a few Geocky members had the chance to meet with Kentucky State Nature Perserve Commission, Kentucky State Parks, Lexington-Fayette Urban County Government and Kentucky National Forest Service (I apologize if any of those titles are incorrect, I don't have my notes with me) about the geocaching issue within the state of Kentucky. I'm happy to report that everyone present at the meeting (not just us geocachers) were glad to get together, happy to be working together, and eager to work something out in order to allow both sides to be able to continue with their activities. We spent quite a bit of time explaining what geocaching was, how it is practiced, why we enjoy it, what got us (as individuals) into the hobby, and what we feel geocaching can do for all divisions that were represented at this meeting. We had the opportunity to listen to everyones concerns, answer their questions, and generally get a feel for what each different agency was looking to get out of this meeting. Things are looking extremely well with each agency, and we look forward to developing guidelines to be used when geocaching within each specific area. We were happy to see their enthusiasm about the hobby as well as their eagerness to learn more about it and how they could benefit from geocachers as well. We will continue to post updates about geocaching in the state of Kentucky as soon as we get them. Please visit our website for more information. We would also like to thank everyone who chimed in and helped us out with information, advise, and experiences you had with similar situations. Every little bit helped us to get to where we are right now. Thank You! Jennifer the White Diamond Pirates

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quit *****ing - if you like it and have the money, then spend it - if you don't have the money, or don't want to spend it, then don't!! this thread is almost as bad as the apostrophe one! yikes! jenn

both people involved can log this as a find. jenn- the WDP

it's all good hoys!! i'm at work, trying my best not to be too bored while i talk (type) paddy's ear (eyes) off... (that sounds wierd, and i'm sure paddy will have something to say about that!) jenn

looks like someone already did =) thanks mojo!!

quote:Originally posted by MojoCacher:OK I am starting a new thread for the KY group. go right ahead!!! always good to see geocaching interest in our little state =) quote:Some basic questions: What is the link to the Yahoo groups page? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/geocky quote:Your web page, if you have one? http://www.geocky.org quote:What is going to be you regular meeting schedual? we don't have a regular schedule yet, but we are meeting tomorrow (sunday 1/26) at 1:30 pm. deatils on the yahoo group. quote:Do you plan to have meetings in other parts of the state, ie: Louisville, Elizabethtown, Bowlingreen for the people who do not live close to Lexington? not sure yet, but you can certainly bring that up on the yahoo group! quote:Are you planing to incorporate as a legal nonprofit group in KY? that is something we've barely scratched the surface on. we want to get organzied first, and then see where we are and what's involved. quote:Do you want to represent ALL of KY or just the Lexington area? not sure yet on that either - i've been thinking lately about how it might work with several chapters of the kentucky geocachers organization or something. but that hasn't been discussed at length yet. quote:Just some questions I thought might be helpful for potential members. thanks! hope to see you at the meeting, or at least on the yahoo group. Jenn - the white diamond pirates

for any interested - there is a geocky meeting (geocachers of central kentucky) tomorrow (sunday) at 1:30 pm. for info where, please send me an email. thanks- jenn

Hello all. First mate Dr.Lucky here. Using Jenn's account since I've always been more of a side-kick in the cacheing rather than a full participator. That disclaimer aside... Thank you Hoys, for being able to sum this issue up as neutrally as possible. I wonder if its so hard to see that this issue is not about this person, or this person's cache. It's about diplomacy, and how to ensure that geocachers as a body (not as individuals) are able to enjoy cacheing in the state of Kentucky. Not only in Kentucky's state nature preserves, but on ANY Kentucky land that is in anyway affiliated with Kentucky's government as a whole. Just to keep a running tally, thats city parks, state parks, nature preserves...all of it. All the public places that are owned by 'we the people'. What that realy means is that we aren't going to let one person with little documented experience in cacheing throw a wrench in this thing. Not without a few, polite protestations. AND BELIEVE ME YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN POLITE! Much more polite than I could have been after the more than mildly anoying discussion that has been going on. Oh yes...my point. My point is that cacheing is a hobby, and as such has no special rights attached to its practice, or its practioners. As a grass-roots type of thing it is imperative that the practioners of this hobby facilitate the education of the public, government, and anyone else who is curious about this thing. If they want to know, we should make our best effort to represent Geocacheing in a manner that benefits ALL, not one. Let me be clear...I do not advocate the creation of a Cacheing Spetznatz. There should never, ever have been a question about who should be telling whom about how to do what. When you log on at Groundspeak you agree to do things by their posted rules. You click a little box saying that you waive your right as a free individual in order to be able to use Groundspeak's resources and be even a little loosely affiliated with their name and their community. So you sign the dotted line, and you give up a little personal freedom for a good time. I'm about to jump track again, so I'll try to sum up my long-winded opinion... Basically, there SHOULD be a few resonable folks who SHOULD make resonable requests to try and achieve the greater goal of victory for the cacheing community...even if it means that they have to feel like heels for asking an individual or two to live up to the commitment that they made to Groundspeak and the cacheing community as a whole by being resonable too. -Bryan aka Dr.Lucky, firstmate of the White Diamond Pirates, and general cache-bag schleper.

what we're hoping for is to work out a peaceful co-existance between ky geocachers and the city, state and national parks in the state. that, apparantly, is a lot to hope for.

thank you to all who posted responses. why did i post this publicly? I wanted to get several opinions before i acted and decided this would be the best way to do so, however, i did not want to openly burn the cache owner and ruin caching for him/her right from the beginning. - that is why there isn't a lot of information about this cache on the site. other posters have asked what is wrong with this cache? this cache is placed on an area and type of land where geocaching is currently restricted per the kentucky state nature preserves commission until further notice. while i will be the first to point out that while the cache owner did not know about this ban (at least i hope not), he/she was contacted by us and asked very nicely to think about removing the cache due to the delicate nature of the relationship that our geocaching group has with the governing body. i have that email if anyone is interested in reading it. i also have the owners response (which i have elected not to post) where he/she explains that since there is another cache nearby in the same area it must be okay, and they suggested we go to a 'state sponsered organziation' to get the answers to our questions. in the original contact letter, we posted our website and made mention of the restriction of placing caches on nature preserves: the following is available for anyone to read on our website: http://www.geocky.org. Important Notice regarding Caches in State Nature Preserves Recently, there was an incident involving a cache in the Pilot Knob State Nature Preserve. The cache was placed in the Preserve without the permission of the Kentucky State Nature Preserves Commission. Additionally, the description of the Cache encouraged use of a shortcut, which involved entering a closed, unsafe trail on this property. The use of this closed trail endangered the safety of both visitors and the ecosystem. The person placing the Cache was unaware of the land management rules surrounding State Nature Preserves, and made an honest mistake. However, the placement of the Cache without permission, and especially the instruction to use a closed trail, has caused a great deal of understandable concern on the part of the State Nature Preserves Commission. As a result, the Commission asked Groundspeak to archive the cache. GEOCKY has contacted Joyce Bender of the Commission to better understand this issue, and to see how we can help. The Commission is willing to meet with GEOCKY to discuss this issue, and to see if there is some way we can reintroduce GeoCaching into the State Nature Preserve system. For the time being, GeoCaching is not allowed in State Nature Preserves. We will be working with the Commission to hopefully reintroduce Caching into the State Nature Preserve system. In order to be successful, we need to prove to the Commission that GeoCaching does not represent a threat to the land under their protection - this starts with proving that we can comply with their decisions. GEOCKY joins with the State Nature Preserves Commission in requesting that no caches be placed on any Kentucky State Nature Preserve until further notice. GEOCKY urges all GeoCachers to please abide by this request. This includes virtual caches as well as traditional caches and micros. Preserves are public land set aside primarily for conservation purposes, and are not primarily recreational areas like State Parks. The primary mission of the Commission is to protect the flora and fauna within these Preserves, and this land must be used with care and respect, and in accordance with the policies of the Commission. Again, please do not place caches of any kind in any Kentucky State Nature Preserve until further notice. we are going to email the cache owner one more time with a detailed explanation of why we are suggesting this along with the information about about the restriction of caches on nature preserves. at this point, i think, all we can do is know that we have done our best. what we are working towards is a geocaching-happy state to work with. for those that have been around the forums for a few months, certainly you remember the pilots knob cache where the ksnpc went straight to geocaching.com and not to the cache owners, resulting in the cache being autmatically archived and the cache itself was taken by the ksnpc. we don't want this to happen again! we don't want to ruin geocaching for anyone else (least of all ourselves) and are taking the steps to thwart any negative reactions and responses from the kentucky state nature preserve commision as well as any other agencies that will soon become involved. please understand this is not some ploy to simply cause problems, we are trying to react and act in a manner in which we can work WITH governing bodies and not against them.

what if i know of a cache that is somewhere it shouldn't be (even though it got approved) - after i have emailed the cache owner and gotten a reponse from them (stating they will not pull the cache) what are my next steps? (preferably without ticking anyone off, but i understand there's not much way around that) jenn

anyone know when we might expect the map page to be working again? (as in the different icons for caches you've found, etc?) also, are there any other member benefits for charter members other than pocket queries and members only caches? 'neko the white diamond pirates

just keepin this thread alive- if you have a moment, plese check out www.geocky.org (our web site). thanks! jenn

Hi there - the newly formed GeoCKy (geocachers of central kentucky) are also following this line and we are looking for any and all help with compiling evidence that geocaching is both good and bad (good for our presentation, bad to let us know what we will be presented with), also other parks rules and regulations. (yes i've seen the ' Pro-Geocaching Land Managers - Correspondance' thread - i wanted to single out state parks.) if you have the time to either post here a link to park rules, or park discussions, or experiences you've had, that would be great - what would be even better is if you could email them to me =) okoneko@hotmail.com thanks! jenn

Hi there! A few local geocachers and I have started an organization for Central Kentucky. One of our first tasks is to try and work out a friendly relationship with State Parks and the like so we can cache there. I would love to hear any and all discussions from people dealing with this issue in order to help us gather info from around the country to back us up, or to prepare us for what they will throw at us. thanks in advance, jenn

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