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Why not? It's a question of fairness and equal treatment. Everyone should get these opportunities. The technique and the practice has been tested. Now there are results of the tests and further plans for the future.

The beta period is almost over. Now I'm looking forward to accessing the labbuilder and some credits to create an adventure.

How would the creator of the Adeventure Lab decide if a cacher was there or not? There is no proof.

Why that? The experience remains the same, there is no change through logs. Logs only change the count of finds of the loggers. btw: Logging a lab cache is only entering the find code. That Labcache creators can not delete logs is a fact, not my idea. Maybe because of previously "... no special logging requirements other than entering the find code."?

That's right, the creator can not delete "logs". The "Finder" can only delete for itself, but remains in the statistics list, which can see the creatior.

Thank you for clarifying the facts for the future - so that the misunderstanding has now been dispelled. With the introduction of the new Adventure Lab App and the planned shutdown of the WebPlayers open questions arise for me: 1. If no data reception is available at the location of an adventure, the labcache can not be logged as intended. Can this problem be solved? The owners of Adventures also have different network providers. 2. At labs.geocaching.com/logs I currently find an overview of the labcaches I've logged. Will this page be available even after the WebPlayers shutdown? (This currently also allows me to download GPX files for GSAK) Thanks for the feedback!

I do not want to justify anything. I understand that it is considered as legitimate. I just want to show that there are reasons that are understandable.

This formulation was chosen much later in the Help Center - difficult to decide what is now. Are there any subsequent rule changes? I visited a few mega events myself and found lab caches for which no coordinates were given - this was not absolutely necessary in the lab builder.

"These mostly work the same..." - not ever.

["This form of lab cache lives on the web, can be be used privately, and has no special logging requirements other than entering the find code."]

The terms "fake-logging" and "cheating" already bother me in this matter. Since 2013/2014 when the first lab caches saw the light of day, these "Guidelines" applied in the form of FAQs: https://www.geocaching.com/blog/2013/08/geocaching-labs-faq/ There reads, among other things: "The finder just needs to discover a code to unlock the find." "... there are no special logging requirements other than entering the find code." and so on. The fact that there is a need to visit the coordinates physically, is not named there. Therefore, the possibility of logging has been used by many since then, without having been on site. I know some geocachers who still do this. They are all very active geocachers and cache owners. The possibility of logging lab caches is definitely not considered a rule violation. Since you can not get country souvenirs or difficulty and terrain ratings for labcaches, you can not compare them to classic geocaching. Therefore you can also not set the same standards. If the community think, that the physical presence at the coordinates is a condition for logging, then one should first communicate this clearly. It should also be clarified, how the previous logs of labcaches are evaluated and how it should be handled.

Labs: https://labs.geocaching.com/Adventures/Details/b5d65f55-7818-4faa-b5ad-927928646c30 GPX: https://labs.geocaching.com/Adventures/DetailsASGPX/b5d65f55-7818-4faa-b5ad-927928646c30

https://labs.geocaching.com/Adventures/Details/3492b925-089b-44f4-96d6-b3ecc42d8ce3

Sent Coins to: 607 NEVADANICK Received Coins from: 219 DER FOTOGRAF 430 ICE13-333 Will exchange Coins at Giga: 810, 811 to LONGTOMSILVER 517 from LONGTOMSILVER Thank you Thomas - great job!

Wish list sent Thank you Thomas!

No grouping for mee, too Thank you

I'm interested. like it

Hello! My "Shiny Gold Pocket Decoder Geocoin" (TB50MGQ) has a wrong icon. It should be this: But it is this: Why is that? What can I do? Thank you and best regards