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How would you really know? This reminds me of the Yahtzee game I had as a kid that rings true to me for geocaching it had a great saying on the box.

Go to the Locationless Cache page: Via the direct link Same but the link provided woks for me

No one is going to scroll through the thousands of finds to find a cool spot nearby that they did not know about. Yes it is cool to remember and highlight your personal favorites but useful no. Sorry to be negative on this one. Just like GC8NEAT it is going to shoot to the top of the favorites list and knock off my #10. Will I log it yes. I have my own bookmark list of personal favorites.

So agree ratings don't make sense nor are consistent. Two years ago went for GC2101 Rated 1.0/2.0 Yes at the GZ it is a 1/2 but to get there was an epic trip. Stream crossings, steep gavel roads, deep sandy rutted roads, hitting rocks, and dodging a heard of antelope passing in front of my car. Then repair bill when I got home. I say the D/T should not be the goal. Having archived finishing my grid a couple of times, I now don't let that drive me on which caches I choose to do, as many are so arbitrary and out right wrong. Use it as a hint at what to expect, I may choose to skip one that is climbing a tree, or it's a paddling cache and I'm in my car.

GC17 Mt Hood in the background as I recall someone installed a bench here. That day was was a beautiful hike for early May though there was still spots of snow on the trail.

Rule are there for everyone to follow and there is an appeal process if you don't like the answer you initially get. I've appealed and was published. I actually think more scrutiny is needed on publishing not less. A cache was placed in my neighborhood green space. After one weekend the flowers were destroyed. I requested that the cache be moved or archived and it was. My point is the process should ask questions and keep folks and property safe. Otherwise they will outlaw or reduce this everywhere. I obviously don't know your issue, sorry that it left a bad taste in your mouth. But I'm going to agree with others as a basic member and a dedicated cacher I say you kind of get what you get and be happy with the free service others provide you.

Or better yet get a membership I spent more money last night getting dinner for my family.

GS could change the rules to remove placement date requirement on all grandfathered caches just like the did to remove ALRs.

Ask the CO if this is still being enforced as new rules do not allow this requirement. Spot check a few of the previous finders. Personally I'd ignore that requirement and log but if they choose to reject meh no biggie. Or you can simply ignore.

Many puzzles require solving for a keyword then enter on certitude to get the final coordinates. However, you can remain anonymous so how are you going to prove it. Also This week I am staying less than a mile from a cache I solved maybe 5 years ago how are you going to correlate something like that. If word gets out, I would suspect someone would simply upload the rest of your information and then you have the same problem all over again. If it bugs you I'd suggest getting out of the business of hiding puzzles. Cheating happens, who does it hurt? Not me. Yeah it sucks. Personally only deleted 2 logs that were completely obvious. The first a new cacher from Sweeden (I'm in Oregon USA) found like 50 caches on the same day all over the world. Sent a question to him no response so deleted. The second was a guy from the UK who found like 20 caches on the same day in England and the hopped on a plan to rural North Carolina and then to my rural cache in Oregon. He admitted accidentally logging the two US caches and we both deleted them. I'm pretty sure I have other fake cachers but never bother to check or audit logs. If someone really wants the smiley they can have it. I have also logged accidentally found puzzle caches. I solved the problem another way that the CO did not think could happen. It took research. I had the coordinates and was able to certify my solution.

I was thinking the exact same thing. Personally I believe the 74% ones without a checker should be automatically updated to have one included.

@Keystone is correct it can be difficult/impossible potentially. If you are solo and only have one device with a gps and the same device is your camera you are out of luck. Thanks for point that out.

My favorite caching road trip end point and maybe a long weekend trip for you. It's a lot easier to look for neat places when it pretty remote. 3 Corners (SE Oregon Hatrick) Virtual Cache GC2101

For me specially initially I was never a huge fan of multis. The uncertainty of where the final may be might be my reason. You don't know how to budget time. I have finite amount of time before I need to be somewhere else as an example. Or going to a place I don't wish to go. But It kind of is a numbers thing as well. Eventually I'll get around to all the nearby multis just not high on my priority list. I was for a time being addicted to a "Phone Booth Multi" series, that had me crisscrossing the area even going 300 miles north then 300 miles south. I rarely did one in a day but work at many over time. Alas most of the phones vanished along with the caches.

Love it! Give the League of Idaho Cachers a run for their money with their challenges and do more flags. On my trip back from Potters Pond picked up around 60 of them. Next time though will see about stopping. Too bad school is still in session would make a road trip for the chance for a huge FTF haul.

To me one of the great things about caching is different things draw different people. One day your kids will get older and not be excited about what lies inside. Besides about half the swag in my area seems to be moldy or smelly, tons of rain and if not properly sealed ewwwwww. Don't get me started with folks leaving candy. Seriously? I have one ammo can put it in a remote area don't expect tons of finders, positive feedback thus far. Did not include any toys or trinkets just not my thing but if folks wish to leave great. For urban hides they are all nanos or micros. Anything larger seems to always go missing plus the locations below would not support bigger containers. 1) A flat magnet on the bottom of a statue foot in a community park. Tons of favorite points and positive logs including folks with kids. Unfortunately just archived as I moved out of town. You need special permission for this container btw. 2) Fake screw in a power line park on one of the towers. Super difficult but kids seem to always be the ones to find before their parents. More at their eye level. 3) Plain old nano on the bottom of a dog waste bag dispenser. Small little neighborhood park. I like this because of the numerous first time finder or very new cachers I've seemed to attract.

So here is my idea for my virtual reward. Opinions welcome. I don't expect tons of visitors, nearby caches get a handful of finds each year. The cache at the closest gas station ~30 miles away the cache there had 13 finds last year. Fill ups a must last summer I thought $5.95 a gallon was expensive, middle of no where. They have great desserts in the desert too The location I have chosen is in a dry lake bed during the summer months on BLM land. Love going there. Great views nearby hot springs, wild horses, caves and caching. Seen cars, motorcycles, parasailers, crazy cars with huge sails, and one airplane. Not sure if it qualifies as a dark skies location but may be close so star gazing is amazing. Even let my kids take turns driving staying far away from any other vehicles. So the draw to me is the location I love to share. Now technically I could place a cache in some locations nearby but it is hours from my home so would not be able to handle any maintenance. Plus with a virtual I can require photographs. So here was my fun thought. My kids have always loved goofing off with forced perspective photography. Goggle it for some great examples. Think Holding up the Leaning Tower of Pisa, holding a car in your palm of your hand, or simply the old skit squishing your head. Plus a second picture of your gps with the lakebed in the background showing the coordinates being on a confluence.

You could instead have a word on it that is the answer to a question

Proof of signing - This can take multiple forms - Picture of your log - Geo fencing (adventure labs) do this. - Some kind of code to be entered to claim a find, found on the cache or nearby sign (adventure labs do this as well) - I'm sure others exist All have their pros and cons do you see trend?

Bingo Thanks for bring back so memories - Bushwacking in chest high grass. Was walking along and then in a split second ended app over my head water. Managed to keep hold of my phone snd above water. - A sheriff stopped to check if I needed help, car stopped in the middle of nowhere. Showed him the app and we found it. - 10 Stings, Dog yelped 3 times. Ran the quarter mile back to my car one was still following me. Fortunately there was a drugstore super close. - Don't have boars here but I did run into a herd of cows, with a new born calf and I was walking my friends GIANT husky. They made noises I never heard before. They squared up and I slowly backed away. -Hurt myself and my car - Slid off a logging road (500$) GCA5, Hit boulders well maybe giant rocks while trying to not get stuck sand 30 miles from the nearest road ($1500) GC2101

Absolutely how can you prove you actually signed it?

Ask for a picture of the log if they don't have a pencil. I'm almost to the point where I'm going to do that for all finds.

GS is not going to take the time or effort to figure it out. Complaints will always yield to the assumed land owner, even if they are not the correct person.

Your best. bet is to archive. Once your reviewer reads that he will do the same. Appeals to GS will probably fail as well. Had a landowner yell at me for a cache on what she claimed was her property. The CO complained that it was on park property adjacent to her property, which she clearly claimed. I filed the NA, reviewer archived and the COs appealed but the area is now permanently off the board. Community relations are more important than a cache is what I learned from this. A lot of rural landowners do not appreciate the pullouts people create killing foliage etc again those pull outs are on their private property. Most of the time the cars are not fully off the road either. Best bet archive the cache and apologize to the land owner and offer to retrieve the cache. Had he emailed GS directly it would have been archived already.

TB stealing is par for the course. Happens both with cachers, muggles, and 4 legged friends. They will go missing eventually