MegaGengar

Thanks for the clear up. I didn't think you were, but just wanted to be crystal clear so I'm not misinterpreted :)

If you are the first person (or people if you're in a group) to sign the physical logbook, congratulations you're FTF! Sometimes, cachers will be FTF but won't log their find until a few hours, or even days after so it's important to check the physical log. If you're sure you're the first, feel free to say so in your log! There's no real protocol, but if you're using something like Project GC, then it's recommended to write [FTF] in your log so they can tag it later on. If you want, you can also add your FTFs to a bookmark list so you can look back at them later on! Congratulations on the FTF!

Sorry, I think I was unclear. I’m not logging caches that I haven’t visited, feel free to check my history; the only global geocaching I logged is here in Vancouver.

I never knew that you could find it without visiting. I always thought you had to sign and find, but if others choose not to, that’s on them.

The point is that if I ever visit those places I could find the cache there.

No issue at all. It is complicated—took me a while to figure out. Thanks for your insight, I think I won’t share them after all

Thank you so much for your response. You guys are the best—I think I’ll nicely message back the cacher explaining that I won’t give the coordinates, but instructing them on how to gather then.

Hi guys, I've been faced with a dilemma. Recently, I solved "Global Geocaching: Vancouver", a puzzle cache which made me contact geocachers from all over the globe to get the final coordinates. After a LOT of messaging and some very nice cachers, I solved it and ended up being the Third to Find. While messaging, some people just gave me the coordinates to other Global Geocaches, without making me ask around. I then got a message from a cacher with 7,800 finds and 108 hides (TWO of the hides are archived--none others are even disabled when I checked). The cacher asked if I was kind enough to share the global geocaching Vancouver final coordinates adding that they are "not sure how you determine the number". Later, when they vacation to Rio De Janeiro, they offered to share the final coordinates there. I don't know what to do! On the one hand, I can share the coordinates but, as a puzzle cache owner myself, I know how frustrating it can be to have your final coordinates leaked with no questions asked. On the other hand, I can message back the cacher saying that I don't share final coordinates, explaining that they have to contact geocachers across the globe. I don't want to be seen as a hypocrite, as when messaging others, I did end up receiving the final coordinates to other (non-Vancouver) Global Geocaching. Also, in the past, I have messaged COs (and sometimes previous finders) for a nudge in the right direction solving their puzzle cache. Can someone give me some advice on what to do? Thank you so much, MegaGengar

I mean if I contact them and they get back saying that they signed it a certain way I’m fine with it. about the last paragraph, I don’t do that anymore (should have made it more clear). Strangely, in that specific incident (happened once a few years ago) I found their signature when checking on it. I don’t get entertained by it at all rather it’s my way of trying to stop armchair logging. If I contact them and they get back saying they were there and they have SOME sort of proof or if they’re a well known positive cacher with or without proof I probably won’t delete it. I’m just trying to stop armchair logging.

For me, I delete nano logs with no signature. I haven’t had to yet (probably because my one nano has a difficult puzzle attached so all cachers will likely have a tott kit) but I make it clear on my cache page that they MUST SIGN THE LOG (or else I’ll delete it) and that signing is part of the difficulty. This is partly because I would give nanos a higher D rating than, say, a well camoed amo can, because of the effort it takes to sign the log. I love finding nanoes because it is so satisfying to see all the signatures before me and sign it myself. I love using my tools to do so. If I’m out and want to cache but don’t have my kit with me, I will look for caches without a micro or unknown size. Then, I will scour the description and log to make sure I don’t need any tools and will make the find.

I’ve recently deleted 2 logs, both by relatively new cachers of my “small” 2/1.5 cache. I make it very clear on ALL of my cache pages (including one of a nano) that signing the log is a MUST or I will delete their log. for the logs, I checked the cache and noticed it was missing 2 signatures. I checked everywhere, front and back. It’s accessible easily without any TOTT. I contacted both cachers to no response after a week, so I deleted their logs. Got no message back. For me, I am very strict about deleting logs and make it clear on my cache page. I know that it’s on the cachers if they want to do armchair logs, but my philosophy is not on my caches at least. I feel like they ruin the game by doing so and am doing everything in my power to prevent it. Yes, I may make an enemy, which would be unfortunate, but I wouldn’t want to be friends with someone who writes bogus logs. Plus, I ALWAYS contact them and wait at least a week. I normally phrase the message like “I noticed you found my cache, xx (GC). When checking on it, I couldn’t find a signature—would you mind telling me what you signed the cache as because, as stated on my cache page, if you didn’t sign it I will, unfortunately, have to delete your log.” Of course, I realize that they may have signed as something else which is why I check the log throughly. All signatures were accounted for. A lot of the time, cachers, myself included, will add things like “signed as MG” in their log for clarity. I love it when others do it as it makes matching quite easy. note: sometimes I encounter logs that say they couldn’t sign the logbook because they forgot a pen and will be back to sign. To that, I don’t delete their log, but instead let them know that I’m planning to visit the cache on xx date and if it’s not signed by then I’ll delete their log. Other well known cachers write notes if they don’t have a pen. edit (for clarity): I don’t do the last paragraph anymore. Read my later response for more info.

There are a few (Amazing) caches in my area, published recently, that are at the posted coordinates with a mild field puzzle yet are mysteries. Not complaining or anything, but I guess there’s still a bit of subjectivity.

Ah thank you so much! That clears everything up.

What does B12 mean? A lot of caches are called “B12: (something)” and I looked in the forums and spent some time googling and have no idea what it means. Could someone please tell me? Thanks!

There is! go to wiki.Groundspeak.com click on the country / state you wish to find out about. Top right hand corner has a list of the active reviewers!

Thanks for the clarification! Appreciate it. I wonder what I’ll do. Hmm

I see. Thanks for replying. So ink also counts (like writing in a logbook) as you placed the ink?

Hi, I am looking to hide a multi and am seeking some clarification on the guidelines: I want to take the geocacher on a tour of little free libraries. Most of them already have a logbook. With permission from the owner, if I wrote the next waypoints coordinates into the logbook would that count as a physical waypoint? Also, if I put a sticker on a plant or something would that count? Yes, it’s something I’m placing but the plant was already there. Thanks