ottieolsen

If it was placed today it would be in a pre-existing hole

First...it's CONCRETE. Cement is a component of concrete. Common error people make that drives me bonkers. Second...how do you know the CO dug the hole and poured the concrete instead of just taking advantage of what may just be a post footing where the post was removed at some point? I think it's fair to out this cache since it is the most famous, most talked about and (and oldest active) cache.....Mingo GC30 http://coord.info/GC30 The first photos in the gallery show a buried in the dirt tubular cache next to the post. Date of photo 09/14/2000. The buried cache guideline went into effect in early 2001. By 2006 it is still buried in the dirt. In 2007 someone dug the hole some more and inserted a metal tube then placed the container in that metal tube. 12/20/2012 Sometime in December 2012 someone pours concrete over the Mingo hole. 01/05/2013 But cachers were determined to have a buried cache here and drilled into the concrete to make room for a cache. A current photo of Mingo. Does this present a negative perception of geocaching? The concrete may have been poured by a disgruntled cacher or by road workers. But to drill into the concrete to put a cache inside gives the impression that geocachers poured the concrete to play their game and did so with encouragement and approval from the caching community. Geocachers definitely drilled into the concrete to fit the cache. Is Mingo exempt for any form of burying? If it were moved 10 feet, could the cache owner dig a new hole? Could they reinforce the hole with concrete? This is a interesting example. When Mingo was first placed it did not violate the "no buried caches" guideline because that guideline did not exist. Presumably, any caches which were buried prior to the "no buried caches" guideline (which has undergone several text changes over the years) was grandfathered. I don't think we ever found out who removed the cache and filled in the hole with concrete. Was it done by a disgruntled cacher, road workers (who were doing maintenance nearby at the time), or the farmer which owns the land on the other side of the fence). Does the grandfathered claus allow a cache to be "re-hidden" in a manner that would break existing guidelines? It wasn't done by a disgruntled cacher or road workers.

seems a little strange to only allow a "found it" log for a certain times of day, especially on a web-cam. And I like how you put "find" in quotations as if it was an armchair log or something.

Nailed It!

Huh?

Not really... being so close to GC30 is kinda cheating the system. Dont get me wrong... I am sure they are excellent caches, but hes placing them very close to an infamous throwdown and thats kinda lame. Try how WVtim does it... he turns his area into a hot spot for geocachers. All on his own without help of some oldie. That stand out in my book. Trust me, we are well aware of the fact that Mingo has helped us get finds. However, no matter what we would hide, we will never be out of Mingo's shadow. But you could at least find a few of our caches before forming an opinion on their quality (or lack of). I think you might be impressed with their quality and the time/cost it took to build some of them. Especially (GC5DTQA,GC5XV4F and GC5AH78) Besides, We reside in Western Kansas so its not like we went out of our way just to hide them by Mingo.

Not really... being so close to GC30 is kinda cheating the system. Dont get me wrong... I am sure they are excellent caches, but hes placing them very close to an infamous throwdown and thats kinda lame. Try how WVtim does it... he turns his area into a hot spot for geocachers. All on his own without help of some oldie. That stand out in my book. WVTim also has the benefit of being near the East coast with a much much higher population then Western Kansas

All are disabled or archived. What happened? What do you mean? Most were simply disabled for maintenance a week or so ago. Just a sign of a conscientious cache owner. Possibly in a hunting area, possibly simply doing maintenance. Look at the ribbons? Their highest is only 12 favorites The raw number for favorites isn't always a good measure of cache quality. In order to accumulate a high number of favorite points a cache has to be found a lot. Caches located in areas where there aren't a lot of other geocachers aren't going to get as many favorite points as cache located in areas with a large number of geocachers. I'm well aware of this. Percentage and the Wilson score are much better. My comment was simply a response to "look at all the blue ribbons"

All are disabled or archived. What happened? What do you mean? Most were simply disabled for maintenance a week or so ago. Just a sign of a conscientious cache owner. Possibly in a hunting area, possibly simply doing maintenance. Look at the ribbons? Their highest is only 12 favorites

Are they all maintained? Anyone with that many hides can't possibly maintain them all. I love creative hides also - but there's nothing more discouraging than a creative hide that's dirty, full logs, water infiltrated, etc. Just sayin'..... Why can't they all be maintained? We have over a 140 hides with around half having double-digit favorites. All are very well maintained!

A few nationally known names that come to mind: WVTim, Goblindust, CacheMedics, Dayspring, woodnutt and Doctor Dolittle

Got sumthin' better to discuss? Well a matter of fact! not really.....

Why is this being shared on the forums?

I put out this one with no problem - The Big Bang Theory (GC50B7B)

What was the fiasco near Ocala, Florida?

I agree with narcissa. You would be getting a lot of smoke being blown up your ________. You are also far from alone in your disappointment in "TFTC' and "Found" logs.

When you go out and Geocache....

I like nothing more then creative homemade caches like that, great work!

I think it sounds like a GREAT idea! Will there be cake and ice cream?? Wish I lived nearby. Have you seen where Mingo is located? Considering I live in Western Kansas, yes. We worked with the local farmers and the coop across the street. Sorry, my comment was directed specifically to "Bubble&Bonkers" in response to "I wish I lived nearby?" It was a joke. My bad

I think people are getting the wrong impression. Its for geocaching's birthday, not Mingo's

I think it sounds like a GREAT idea! Will there be cake and ice cream?? Wish I lived nearby. Have you seen where Mingo is located? Considering I live in Western Kansas, yes. We worked with the local farmers and the coop across the street.

Just doing a little advertising. A group of cachers from Kansas will be hosting a hopefully large event by Mingo on Sunday May 3rd for geocaching's 15th birthday. http://www.geocaching.com/geocache/GCQRXE_gcqrxe-mingo-happy-15th-birthday-to-geocaching

It all depends on what you like. Gadget caches: Martinsburg, West Virginia Incredible mystery caches: Prescott, Arizona (Ravenland) and Austin, Texas Lots of hides: West Bend, Wisconsin Virtuals: Washington DC Power Trails: Nevada Geoart: Idaho and Colorado Earth caches: any national park in the West

You should come to Hays and see what we have done! It would change your mind about Kansas

Never thought I would get this many types of answers